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    ipaq 910 is released for sometime now and all i have found r mixed reviews...but it has almost identical specs as pro! both have their pros and cons (ipaq's camera 3mp vs. pro 2mp, ipaq bigger kb vs. pro's tiny kb). infact ipaq is almost $100 less than pro!

    i m not promoting ipaq but the more i look it the more i want to debate whether to go for pro or ... ? any ipaq users can chime in and share the experiences? though i feel its little too early to make any calls about pro until it is released.
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    Yeah, a $100 less but you "only" get a much larger battery (1940mah vs 1500mah) and a thumb scroll wheel...(j/k)

    Oh wait...that's actually a really good question, lol. You know, that ipaq 910 is kinda nice...

    couple (minor) drawbacks:
    • no 3.5mm jack (miniUSB)
    • 320x240 screen
    • buttons/layout don't look as smooth

    But yeah, the 910 gets overlooked quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Yeah, a $100 less but you "only" get a much larger battery (1940mah vs 1500mah) and a thumb scroll wheel...(j/k)

    Oh wait...that's actually a really good question, lol. You know, that ipaq 910 is kinda nice...

    couple (minor) drawbacks:
    • no 3.5mm jack (miniUSB)
    • 320x240 screen
    • buttons/layout don't look as smooth

    But yeah, the 910 gets overlooked quite a bit.
    3.5mm jack - i don't really care as long as they sound decent, i hear music very rarely..but then it's just me..

    320x240 vs. 320x320 - is there practically any diff? i haven't seen any 320x320 wm device yet

    kb buttons/layout - i too like pro's esthetic appeal but i would prefer bigger ipaq's keys any time...
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    I was looking at it too, but I decided to go with the Treo 750 as I still like the Treo form factor.

    I did some research on the ipaq as well and the usual complaints were WM was complaining of the batter getting warm. It is using Li-Po which is a "volatile" battery.

    Google maps is built into the ROM... now sure why HP decided to do that esp Google maps gets updates.

    Other than that its a slick piece of hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Yeah, a $100 less but you "only" get a much larger battery (1940mah vs 1500mah) and a thumb scroll wheel...(j/k)

    Oh wait...that's actually a really good question, lol. You know, that ipaq 910 is kinda nice...

    .....
    But yeah, the 910 gets overlooked quite a bit.
    There are good reasons for that.

    Many people have reported that they don't notice any improvements even with such a large battery, so to me that's a moot point. Also, if you read through all the long threads about the ipaq you'll find many more complaints and bugs than normal (e.g. AGPS not working, lousy battery life, hot battery, battery not charging correctly, slowdowns....). And the ROM update HP issued briefly after its launch didn't seem to fix anything.

    On paper the 910 beats the Treo Pro hands downs - it would have been my next device if it weren't for all the reported problems.
    Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm m505 (*yawn*) -> Dell Axim (slooow...!) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (great idea, lousy platform) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> iMate SP3i (not bad) -> Nokia 9300 (can't sync notes!!) -> Treo 650 (awesome!) -> iPaq hw6915 (almost perfect) -> Nokia E51 (un/impressive) -> HTC Touch Enhanced (nice!) -> Samsung i780 (mousepad woes) -> HTC s740 (very good) -> Nokia E72 (RAM starved) -> HTC HD mini (...) -> Palm Pre 2
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    Hi,

    I keep asking myself the same question. Why wait for the TeePee when iPAQ's already here and HP is working on swatting some of the bugs? I remember how long it took Palm to even admit they had issues with the Treo 680 battery life and to recommend some work-arounds. The Treo 680 form factor went south for me, when I had to add the oversize battery with the humped battery cover. I don't know if Palm ever did come up with a longer battery life for the 680, since I dumped it in favor of an iPAQ 6945.

    The big battery on the iPAQ 910 is attractive but may not even be adequate for AGPS, 3G, and WiFi all at once.

    The flush screen on the Pro is nice but the recessed one on the iPAQ looks less vulnerable to casual bumps. The iPAQ's keys look easier to navigate in their semi-smile configuration.

    What it come down to for me is: Which phone has the best cellular reception? If it can come close to that of my Moto RAZR VXX, I'd be happy. After all (For me at least.), IT'S A PHONE. The other stuff is nice but if the phone function doesn't work well, the other stuff in the case means little.

    I'm stuck in FL right now on a trip with a 1st Generation iPhone and the phone reception is really poor. I should have brought my RAZR as back up!
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    I got the Treo 750 in the end instead of the IPAQ for the following reasons:

    1. iPAQ looked a bit bulky
    2. Since I have the 3G data plan from Rogers with 6GB data allowance, I don't really need Wi-Fi
    3. Battery issues (hot/warm/not charging)

    Let's see where the Treo Pro goes in a year.
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    i guess some reasons against ipaq might make or break the deal...esp battery life and cell reception. i just hope palm shud have all these areas covered.
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    I have the benefit of being in this boat.

    Treo 750v
    Moto Q9
    iMate 8502
    Treo 750v
    HP iPaq910

    I have sold the the Moto Q (I need the Pro device)
    I was ready to sell the 8502 and the update came out. It is now a very stable device. Keyboard is a little small for me, but that is why my wife is using it.

    I have been using the HP iPaq since it was released by HP Small Business.

    It has some quirks and flaws, but no more or less than every WinMo device out there. I do not feel the battery lives up to the size yet, but anyway. Keyboard is large, screen is nice, memory no problem, gps fine no major complaints. Could be smoother. Camera has lag.

    I will be getting the Treo Pro when it hits (really missing the softkeys).

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    graylion
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    I had a 910c from HP for their 30 day trial period. It is a full featured high-end device sold unlocked for a reasonable (given it is unlocked) price.

    It is a little wider, which takes getting used to, but I thought the keyboard was excellent - better than the 750v, which I think is pretty good.

    I wanted to keep it, but there are a few issues:

    - low speakerphone volume (I don't get it, since WMP will play very loudly out of the same speaker)

    - low device volume, but I've had this complaint about every WM phone I've ever had, so maybe I'm the problem

    - battery life was not great, but it improved noticeably after several cycles

    - The real killer for me was that my unit had several firmware issues with dropping the SD card randomly (needing soft reset) and locking up the keyboard randomly. Some others who had similar issues received new units and say their issues went away, while some said their new units had the same issues.

    Anyway, the hardware on the iPaq 910c is solidly build with all the featres you'd want, a good comfortable keyboard and a reasonable price. Additionally, you can buy one unlocked in the US with a full US warranty and HP has good customer service IMO.

    If they come out with a firmware update soon that fixes some of the issues, I'd strongly consider it again. Even more so, now that the 850 has a centro like KB rather than a 600/700 series like KB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levinda View Post
    I had a 910c from HP for their 30 day trial period. It is a full featured high-end device sold unlocked for a reasonable (given it is unlocked) price.

    It is a little wider, which takes getting used to, but I thought the keyboard was excellent - better than the 750v, which I think is pretty good.

    I wanted to keep it, but there are a few issues:

    - low speakerphone volume (I don't get it, since WMP will play very loudly out of the same speaker)

    - low device volume, but I've had this complaint about every WM phone I've ever had, so maybe I'm the problem

    - battery life was not great, but it improved noticeably after several cycles

    - The real killer for me was that my unit had several firmware issues with dropping the SD card randomly (needing soft reset) and locking up the keyboard randomly. Some others who had similar issues received new units and say their issues went away, while some said their new units had the same issues.

    Anyway, the hardware on the iPaq 910c is solidly build with all the featres you'd want, a good comfortable keyboard and a reasonable price. Additionally, you can buy one unlocked in the US with a full US warranty and HP has good customer service IMO.

    If they come out with a firmware update soon that fixes some of the issues, I'd strongly consider it again. Even more so, now that the 850 has a centro like KB rather than a 600/700 series like KB.
    most of the reviews i have come across mentioned the same prob - low volume!
    also i read that some apps had prob working or didn't even open since ipaq has 240 x 320 resolution (landscape orientation),question is do all wm sf work with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-ulk View Post
    most of the reviews i have come across mentioned the same prob - low volume!
    also i read that some apps had prob working or didn't even open since ipaq has 240 x 320 resolution (landscape orientation),question is do all wm sf work with it?
    In the past, the std resolution for wm was 240x320. However, in the last two years most of the popular software products have updated their software to be compatible with 240x240, 320x320, 640x480, and 320x240 (the 910c's resolution).

    I use lots of third party apps. The only ones that I had any issue with were 3games:

    Resco brain age - Resco support sent me an updated .exe that fixed the issue

    Firehawk - the developers worked with me to test until they found the problem and send me a new version as well

    SPB Brain Evolution - didn't contact SPB, since I had already played it to death on my 750v

    Other than those, everything worked on the phone just fine.

    Some of the software apps I used off the top of my head are:

    - SK Tools
    - Sprite Backup
    - SPB Pockt Plus
    - Resco file explorer
    - Mobiion MagicKBLite
    - Control Key Pro
    - Slingplayer Mobile
    - Phone Alarm
    - SPB Insight
    - SBSH PocketWeather
    - SBSH Pocket Breeze
    - Agenda One
    - Astraware Sudoku
    - Astraware Cubis
    - Aces Texas Holdem Limit
    - All Mobile Casino
    - Virtual Pool Mobile
    - Conduits Pocket Player
    - AE Button Plus
    - Batti 2.1
    - Opera Mini 4.1

    Bottom line is that while the low volume may certainly be a concern on the 910c, the 320x240 landscape QVGA resolution is basically a non-issue IMO.
    Daniel Levin
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    Hmmmm,,,, looks tempting but man I sure am tired of 320 by 240 screens.

    The review said the speaker phone was lousy, the wired headset sound was lousy and that even bluetooth headphones didn't sound great. I listen to a lot of internet radio so I guess I'd have to pass on the HP device.
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    well I have the Ipaq 910 (latest ROM 1.00.03) and I suspect I will have it for 17 more days or until I return it.(21 day return policy) I have owned ALOT of phones.. I mean ALOT!.. every treo GSM model, all the Nokia E series, (including the current E71, (by the way is awesome), all of the Ipaqs, the Iphone 3G and 1st gen, I have had Motorola's, etc etc etc... this Ipaq 910 is by far the worst of the bunch so far as quality of speaker sound coming through the handset... far and away the worst.. and your ear has to be EXACTLY over the speaker slot or forget it... It is not loud and it is not a good quality speaker.. I guess what I am trying to convey is.. the speaker on this phone sucks!

    dislikes:

    1: the speaker in the phone (internal on a call) is horrible. It sounds reallllly cheap and tinny..
    2: The Cyberon Voice control built in is horrible!.. It detects commands OK on the handset, but It also sounds terrible, and has bugs with both my Bluetoth headsets, (Moto H12, and Nokia 800). the voice heard through the BT headset is extremely distorted and 100 percent unusable.
    3: Google Maps in the ROM (huge mistake) does not work with (locate me service), there is already a Google maps version newer than the one on the Ipaq but it cannot be loaded, it cannot replace the ROM version and it crashes the device if trying to install the newer version. This is a HUGE mistake and I hope the Treo Pro doesn't make the same stupid decision!!
    4: The recessed screen is antiquated and looks it!.. C'mon... use a Flush screen!! all the smudges and dust get trapped, and the stylus and finger is more cumbersome to use swiping across the screen... the Treo IS FLUSH!!
    5: The Keyboard is decent.. but the shape of the keys takes getting used to.. I for one do no like it at all... personal pref here..
    6esign , is Boxy, thick, and looks antiquated ( see screen complaints)
    7:VERY slow initial GPS location.. and yes I used the GPS app to download location... still VERY VERY VERY SLOW.. I almost gave up on it..
    8: 320x240 screen.. hey if it's capable of a 320x320... why not put it in??

    Overall, I think it's a decent phone.. for $199.00 if I bought it 2 years ago!! Otherwise... for my $500.00 bucks I want NEW technology.. a flush screen, a good sounding speaker (internal and speakerphone) and for the love of anything holy!!!.. PLEASE PLEASE.. oh PLEASE.. leave the third party applications up to the discretion of the owner of the phone and stop stuffing the ROM with apps that are updated as frequently as you change your underwear!! ( google maps)...
    It's Going back... and I will try the Treo Pro when it comes out... I may be able to bear the Treo Pro's installed Google. if the phone SOUNDS like a great $549.00 phone and it is well made, with a great screen resolution...

    there... that's my .02
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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnfb View Post
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    3: Google Maps in the ROM (huge mistake) does not work with (locate me service), there is already a Google maps version newer than the one on the Ipaq but it cannot be loaded, it cannot replace the ROM version and it crashes the device if trying to install the newer version. This is a HUGE mistake and I hope the Treo Pro doesn't make the same stupid decision!!


    there... that's my .02
    I had no trouble loading the new Google maps version, others did the same. Granted you can't delete the version in ROM, but you can certainly add a new non-ROM version and make the start and program menus point to the new version. It was as smooth and easy as adding any other 3rd party application.

    What exactly are you doing in installing it? Maybe I can help you figure out the problem (though it sounds like it won't make a difference to your personal decision, given your strong feelings on the handset volume, but might help someone else).
    Daniel Levin
    levinda13@sbcglobal.net
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    yeah I tried to load the updated Google.. and it crashed.. i loaded it to a mem card so maybe thats it... anyway.. I didn't really give it a second effort as I am not real happy anyway with this phone.. BTW.. I think Microsoft's Live search is really sweet for WM6.. maps, voice recognition for searches..it's as good if not better than Google in my opinion... I guess it just makes me angry that Google is wasted space in the ROM with the "old" version.. pretty much like this Ipaq 910.. it is outdated before it hits the shelves...well.. I guess that's what happens when a company announces a phone and it actually is released over a year later...LOL...
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    I haven't posted in this forum for almost 4 years but I thought I would sound in on this since I have had the 910C for 2 weeks....just for history my last Treo was a 650p and the reason I am with the 910c is I love the form factor but didn't like the previous Windows Treo's. I was waiting on a Pro but thought I would get the 910C while I wait and return it if I was not happy with it. I WILL NOT RETURN IT! (Unless I am totally sold on the pro) I can go days without a reset, something I was never able to do with any of my previous Windows Mobile Phones...I liked it so much I already sold my Tilt!

    I love my 910C...easy one handed operation with a few other programs, I use SPB Pocket Plus and MagiKB Lite to help.

    Battery life is better than my Tilt, 8525 or my Eten x500 all of which I had before the 910c...it is worse than I would have expected with the large battery. I am not sure of why all the negative reviews on battery life. I have push e-mail 24/7 and use wi-fi fairly regularly. I am also on the phone a lot due to my job and go in and out of cell signals, 3g network range regularly. The battery barely makes it one day for me, but neither the Tilt or my other phones made it a day without a midday charge for me. So I think the battery life is better than average.

    Speaker volume is lower than I would like but still very usable. I did not have to have my Tilt on maximum volume and I do on the 910c.

    The 910C is the BEST of any phone I have used with the following:
    Wifi range
    Bluetooth range I can walk all over where I would lose connections with previous phones.
    gprs signal strength (though it is worse than the tilt for keeping a 3g signal)
    It is the ONLY phone I have used where A2DP does not skip when I am streaming over wi-fi
    Keyboard-best bar none...with MagiKB Lite it is better than any blackberry I have used.
    Slingplayer-needs some tweaking but once it is set right it is downright smooth and I love the front keyboard with this program.
    Skyfire-flash embeded videos play very smooth. I watched a whole episode of Arrested Development over 3g....
    TomTom6-it gets a signal very quickly definately faster than my Tilt and on par with my x500 which had a SirfStar III in it.
    The combination of the front Qwerty and the 240x 320 landscape is perfect...everything is easily readable and gives you a lot of information on such a small screen....I am using Advanced Config to remove the scroll bars completely and with just the D-pad to scroll or SPB Pocket Plus scrolling...much better than HTC's touchflo....

    It does have its problems with:
    Voicecommander-when you use it you have to turn down the phone and headset volume to get the voice command to work and then turn it up again after...then the system volume reverts to 0....same problem I had with my Tilt ended up never using voice commander.
    MS Voice Command-same problem as voice commander so must be a problem with the bluetooth stack...
    Many of my MP3 ringers I had to re-do at a higher volume but the volume is good once it is set....
    Speakerphone is totally useless but it was pretty useless on all my previous phones with the exception of the 8525, strange because the external speaker is very loud when playing MP3's so there is no reason for it....
    Gets hotter than I would like....reminds me of how hot my 8525 would get.
    Sometimes it will stop charging and you will need to take the battery out and soft reset. A soft reset alone will not fix it. Happened twice in the first week I had it...none since.
    No real support forum... the HTC phones had XDA Developers and Treos have this forum....

    Still the best phone I have used right now...pushes e-mail well which is my primary concern but handles my secondary concerns of entertainment quite nicely...let me know if anyone has any questions I will be happy to answer them. Hope this helps...

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