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    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Besides Brighthand's review, care to cite (with quotes) any of the other "serious reviews" which back this up? My impression were most reviews skimmed over that aspect, either going with the default talk-time or not doing much testing (due to deadlines).
    Maletasta, this is getting to be a bit over the top. You are certainly a great contributor to these forums, a great help on many aspects, but I think on this issue you may have out from the reviews the information you didn't want to accept.

    Here is PC Magazine as you asked "Quoted" review that was not rushed out but quite extensive, it reflects what the serious reviews say:
    The Treo 800w's biggest downfall is its poor battery life. On a continuous talk-time rundown test, with the battery-draining Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS radios all turned off, the 800w lasted just 3 hours and 21 minutes. Most EV-DO handsets on Sprint manage at least 4 and a half hours. For comparison, despite the fact that it weighs an ounce and a half less, the Sprint BlackBerry Curve 8330 (our current Editors' Choice) lasted 5 hours 34 minutes on the same test."
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2326502,00.asp

    There are others, the irony is the TC "roundup" is the one heavy on reviewers that skimmed as it was for reviews from before the 15th of July. Essentially it has selected out the reviews critical of battery life. I see later reviews crucial on battery like laptop were added later as just links.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Enadget Mobile (no fan of Palm) said: "Business users and social butterflies will want to spring for an aftermarket battery with more juice, though most casual users should be okay with what Palm provides."
    Business users!

    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    I just consider a lot of your post to be spreading FUD. Don't like the phone? Return it. No questions, no problem.

    You called my report on battery life to be stretching credibility (aka a liar), now are back tracking on the poll when others are getting much more decent battery life than you suggested they were.
    "FUD" to be repeating what the serious (not the regurgitated press releases) reviews say? That is rich.

    As far as the poll as I mentioned (having done political polling myself), the question is so fuzzy and even the person who posted the poll acknowledged it. The respondents saying they "HAVE" to charge in 8 or 9 or 10 hours could reasonably be using the time when their battery is dead or near dead.

    The poll actually confirms the 800w has the worst battery life in its business user class.

    Quote Originally Posted by VibrantRedGT View Post
    As a heavy business user I think we can all agree the battery Palm supplied us all with is down right embarrassing. The HTC Touch which was not intended for business users has an 1100mAH yet I could at least make it through a day.
    Agreed. That is the point many users are trying to make.
    Quote Originally Posted by skfny View Post
    1) If WE can buy these batteries for $10 on eBay, Sprint gets them for nothing. i could see them giving them away just to keep people happy. I'm in the group that thinks that the battery IS a problem, but Sprint giving away a $5 cost item is not the proof we are looking for.

    2) Finally someone brings some sense to the conversation- chest thumping and saying "I told you so" about 8-12 hr battery life is embarassing. I can understand hi-5s over 16 hrs since that will get you through most days, but 12 hrs barely covers an 8-hr workday, lunch, and an hour-long commute to and from work.

    Even 12 hrs is more than I typically get, but it's nowhere near the longevity of the 700wx/650/ etc. I could probably get similar time out of a 700wx overclocked to 520 and running BT than an 800w with GPS on (or possibly off).

    3) I think the true test is to compare to the Mogul and Touch- it appears the Touch gets better battery life.

    All the battery issues aside, this is a great phone and I can carry a spare or two to get through any day.
    Agree with everything you say.
  2. #42  
    Run-down stress tests are NOT a realistic metric of real world battery life. Actually using my Treo 800w to read an ebook, catch up RSS feeds, listen to podcasts and some music, it lasts more hours than I do.
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    i agree a straight drain test is far from real world use. Obviously no phone will get you through half a day like that. And id have to disagree owning both the 800 and Touch, the 800 is no worse on battery than the Touch was. Usage patterns probably change causing the 800 to seem worse tinkering with it.

    both the 800 and touch are evdo phones with a-gps on qualcomm chipsets. Theres no logical reason in real world use one would be worse than the other on battery (not including wifi which the touch doesnt have). I find both equal on battery.

    The BB is a totally different type of beast than WM, and uses less system resources and processing power) so thats a bad comparison to make in the first place by PC Magazine.

    Also comparing it to older WM devices with older single core chips (700wx) or bigger ones (like 6700/Mogul which naturally come with bigger batteries) is really a null argument to make.

    And PC Magazine's review was far from profesional either. 1. they say the Mogul isnt rev A which it has been for a while, 2 at the bottom of the review it says GSM continuous battery life. I find simple dumb errors as a "blow-through" review too.

    If you go back in forums to the Touch release and other WM devices the MOST common complaint is battery. People just get over it and find alternatives, like second or bigger batteries, over time so you hear less about it. Just have to take it for what it is, its not a laptop and its not on a continuous power supply. If you talk on the phone 3 hours a day or constantly connected to IM stuff or constant email checking NO smartphone out there on CDMA will get you through the day
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    #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    Here is PC Magazine as you asked "Quoted" review that was not rushed out but quite extensive, it reflects what the serious reviews say:
    The Treo 800w's biggest downfall is its poor battery life.... For comparison.. the Sprint BlackBerry Curve 8330 (our current Editors' Choice) lasted 5 hours 34 minutes on the same test."
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2326502,00.asp
    Quote Originally Posted by klmsu19 View Post
    The BB is a totally different type of beast than WM, and uses less system resources and processing power) so thats a bad comparison to make in the first place by PC Magazine.
    yep, the 800w has a lot more going on than a BB. i've tried BB's and noticed that they don't have much running and you can do as much as you can on a WM based device.


    Quote Originally Posted by klmsu19 View Post
    If you go back in forums to the Touch release and other WM devices the MOST common complaint is battery. People just get over it and find alternatives, like second or bigger batteries
    that's exactly what i did when i was using the 700w and 700wx. i bought car chargers for each of my cars, ac chargers for home and work, portable mini charger that runs off a 9volt, usb retractable data / charging cable, and the Seido extended battery. it was necessary when i was traveling or on road trips and needed to tether my laptop to the phone for data, etc. i'm more than willing to do the same for my new 800w... because it's worth it!
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    I have a microUSB car charger, two wall chargers and a sync cable at home, a sync cable at work and a spare battery kept in a pocket sized charger that can use any of the above cables. I never run out of power (and so far, I've never had to use the spare, but it's nice to know I have it).
    Jeff Kirvin
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