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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by fumblerooski View Post
    They could have a monopoly if they would just give up this "testing" BS and just put out some decent phones.
    agreed!
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    #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Actually, probably not this aspect of the Sprint software

    Sprint has been pretty clear: no PictureMail on PDA devices and there are no immediate plans to change that. Long story on why and I think tonight I may be able to actually write up a detailed article on WMExperts--so hold tight if you want the nitty gritty.

    However, there is a workaround out now (just released) which I will also detail.

    So officially: no PictureMail on the 800w; Unofficially there is a solution.

    Was the mms workaround ever posted?
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by psywzrd View Post
    Was the mms workaround ever posted?
    Yeah, posted the info in this article:
    Sprint, MMS and Windows Mobile: Why They Hatin'?

    and then had a follow up

    Sprint and MMS: It's in the works for Windows Mobile!

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  4. #44  
    Don't know if anyone saw this on Engadget, but apparently they may be starting beta testing. If it's supposed to be out in July, would they wait until this late to start the beta?
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  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by phrogpilot73 View Post
    Don't know if anyone saw this on Engadget, but apparently they may be starting beta testing. If it's supposed to be out in July, would they wait until this late to start the beta?
    Just saw that too and had the exact same thoughts. Worried it's going to be delayed even longer now...
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Just saw that too and had the exact same thoughts. Worried it's going to be delayed even longer now...
    It won't be... don't worry about it, trust me....
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    It won't be... don't worry about it, trust me....
    Why do you say that? How do you know, if I may ask?
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Just saw that too and had the exact same thoughts. Worried it's going to be delayed even longer now...
    Most companies do two levels of testing (not counting FCC of course):
    1. Internal (engineers, etc.)
    2. Carrier

    Palm in this case is doing one extra, which is basically "road testing" (as Engadget put it) the device. It's a way to put the device in power-user's hands to find any fatal flaws or superficial things (low speaker volume, etc.) that can be remedied fairly easily.

    The risk is of course leaks to the public at large (in violation of NDAs). The benefits is a more solid device and confidence on launch.

    Think if the HTC Mogul had been put through this wringer, perhaps it's memory and BT problems would have been actually identified. Same with the Moto Q problems (data blocked phone calls; no letters on the dialpad). Usually regular phones don't need this. I think PDA devices definitely do as has been shown with the problematic releases from many companies (Palm included e.g. 700w).

    Testing is actually only a few weeks long and usually does not result in major overhauls but rather tweaking. At this point, internal and carrier testing are basically finalized.

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  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod View Post
    Why do you say that? How do you know, if I may ask?
    Obvious... first phrogpilot73 incorrectly states that the device will be out in "july" in order to make the "testing" email seem more pressing.

    Anyone in the know understands that the device could be out between now and either Labor day or September 20th (depending on how you calculate "end of summer). Colligan said the device would be out before the end of the summer... he never said July. Of course, the rumor mill is kicking around July like they said in '07 that the launch would be in early '08...

    So giving the 20 Sep 08 date, they could definitely fix any issues that come up within 5 months and still be on target for the "official" before end of summer launch date.

    I've said all along that the launch would be in Aug... even back when the rumors of early '08 were kicking around.... just like I've said Nova would not be out no earlier than April '09 (on a shelf for sale)... I've said that for at least a year.

    You have to separate fact from fiction around here... being in the know helps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    You have to separate fact from fiction around here... being in the know helps...
    "Fact from fiction" is a bit strong, more like "specific vs. non-specific" time frames.

    Ed was also being coy as he said "treos" referencing GSM and CDMA versions. July was a fair guess with the Sprint roadmap and all, but yeah...actual dates are very prone to rescheduling and with the beta test, there is more likely a "window" for release rather than specific date. Still, July is plausible.

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  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    "Fact from fiction" is a bit strong, more like "specific vs. non-specific" time frames.

    Ed was also being coy as he said "treos" referencing GSM and CDMA versions. July was a fair guess with the Sprint roadmap and all, but yeah...actual dates are very prone to rescheduling and with the beta test, there is more likely a "window" for release rather than specific date. Still, July is plausible.
    Actually, you guys and gals know more than I.

    I was pulling the other guy's leg... I don't know jack (like 99.999% of the people here?)... I was having a bit of fun.

    I'm so far out of the know, I wouldn't even know what the know was if I stepped on it.

    All good, fun to see when this thing will launch... be nice if it is july... my treo is getting long on the tooth... or rather I'm ready to dump this thing.

    I'm hoping palm gets it right... they almost have to get it right.
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  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by Malatesta View Post
    Most companies do two levels of testing (not counting FCC of course):
    1. Internal (engineers, etc.)
    2. Carrier

    Palm in this case is doing one extra, which is basically "road testing" (as Engadget put it) the device. It's a way to put the device in power-user's hands to find any fatal flaws or superficial things (low speaker volume, etc.) that can be remedied fairly easily.

    The risk is of course leaks to the public at large (in violation of NDAs). The benefits is a more solid device and confidence on launch.

    Think if the HTC Mogul had been put through this wringer, perhaps it's memory and BT problems would have been actually identified. Same with the Moto Q problems (data blocked phone calls; no letters on the dialpad). Usually regular phones don't need this. I think PDA devices definitely do as has been shown with the problematic releases from many companies (Palm included e.g. 700w).

    Testing is actually only a few weeks long and usually does not result in major overhauls but rather tweaking. At this point, internal and carrier testing are basically finalized.
    What's sad is that the internal and carrier testing seems to catch almost nothing with respect to usability.
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