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    Hello,

    Does anyone know anything about the Samsung i780? Here is a link to the specifications:

    http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i780-2124.php

    Any ideas/thoughts? Is there any reason why I shouldn't go for this (instead of waiting for the 800w)?

    Thanks,

    Felix
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    For one, the 800w is CDMA. while the i780 is GSM without US bands.

    Surur
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    I think the i780s also uses an optical joystick instead of a D-pad which, judging from the reviews, is not that good at all.
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    In term of specifications (speculation of 800w), both units are quiet similar. I think following factors can differient:

    1. Form factors - I found that that the Samsung is a bit longer. I used BlackJack before I felt that it is not comfortable when holding in hand (maybe the corner).

    2. Software Customization - I found that the speed of Treo 750 is excellent even though it is using the Samsung 312mhz CPU. Besides, other customization of application are also important.
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    Thanks for the replies.

    Surur, you mention that the i780 does not support US bands. I am actually in Canada, and use the Rogers network...which advertises using both 850 and 1900 MHz frequencies. The i780 is triband (900 / 1800 / 1900) - wouldn't it then work on Rogers (1900)??
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    Quote Originally Posted by felixk View Post
    Thanks for the replies.

    Surur, you mention that the i780 does not support US bands. I am actually in Canada, and use the Rogers network...which advertises using both 850 and 1900 MHz frequencies. The i780 is triband (900 / 1800 / 1900) - wouldn't it then work on Rogers (1900)??
    It doesn't support AT&T or T_mobile 3G frequencies, which is the main issue.

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by felixk View Post
    Thanks for the replies.

    Surur, you mention that the i780 does not support US bands. I am actually in Canada, and use the Rogers network...which advertises using both 850 and 1900 MHz frequencies. The i780 is triband (900 / 1800 / 1900) - wouldn't it then work on Rogers (1900)??
    I would NOT buy a triband phone....what if traveling in the USA? You'd have no signal in lots of places that use 850. Nope. GOT to be quad-band.
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    Given the popularity of Balckjack I wouldn't rule out the possibility of having it in North America before the 2008 holiday season. The specs are everything we want for treo 800w. Looks like Palm got a real competitor now.
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    Reading from ppcsg forums that the i780 cannot perform a hard reset! One guy bought it and 2 days later it went haywire. Tried to do hard reset but not available. Had to return the set. Heard that there was a lot of people facing this issue. Damn.. I was so wanting to get this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ddeath View Post
    Reading from ppcsg forums that the i780 cannot perform a hard reset! One guy bought it and 2 days later it went haywire. Tried to do hard reset but not available. Had to return the set. Heard that there was a lot of people facing this issue. Damn.. I was so wanting to get this!
    Another Treo-killer bites the dust. hehe
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    its ugly
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    I wouldn't say the i780 is ugly bro. I played with it in one of the Samsung outlet in Singapore and it looks pretty good and sleek in real life. Overall built is great and it comes with all the whistle like Wifi, BT, GPS, HSDPA and of course the 320x320 display. Best thing is that it cost only S$828 w/o any contract which is a damn attractive price. I'll be getting one when the telcos launched it this weekend which I expect it to go for S$500 with contract.
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    Just to add, even though the hard reset problem is still there, you can still flash the rom to resolve that as discussed in xda forums. But I'll just do a 1 to 1 exchange if it happens. Safest thing to do is to only install proven and supported software.
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    It's going for S$498 for 2 yrs normal contract. Another S$100 off if you get a data plan. So that makes it only S$398!! That's roughly US$275 which is a pretty good price. Getting one today!
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    Hi!

    Been a long time Palm user, with my last Palm being the Treo 650. A couple of years ago a wanted wifi and chose Nokia with the E61. Been using E61 and E61i for some time, before buying the Samsung i780 as my first Windows Mobile device.

    Been using it for 3 weeks now, and I am absolutely satisfied with the device. Having used both Palm OS, Nokia/Symbian and now WM6, my conclusion is that neither is the superior one, but they all have their pros and cons.

    As a sales manager in the asset management business, my primary criteria for my mobile device is PIM-functionality, email and easy of use in regards to google reader on the mobile device. Taking these criteria into account, the Samsung i780 is by far the best device I have ever owned. I use Agenda One for PIM, the default Pocket Outlook for emails and Opera web-browser for my internet-usage.

    The device is overall very fast, although not as fast as the Treo 650 as I remember it, but certainly much faster than Symbian on the Nokia E61/E61i.

    The keyboard reminds me more of the Treo than of the Nokia, being equipped with smaller keyboard buttons, and the feel also rather identical to the Treo 650. In regards to keyboard functionality though, it is not at all as advanced as the Treo when it comes to keyboard shortcuts, ie, in terms of PIM. I remember using DateBk6 and being ablo to perform almost everything with the keyboard shortcuts. (This may obviously be more of a software than hardware issue)

    My only gripes with the device are battery life and some indications of instability when it comes to waking the device up from sleep mode. On several occasions I have been forced to perform a soft reset to get the device working again. I have read about the problems with a hard reset on the device, and just hope it doesn't freeze up on me.... In regards to battery life it will not last a day with heavy PIM usage, wifi-connection and frequent email and sms activities. No wonder it comes with a second battery...

    With hopes of a firmware upgrade in the pipeline correcting instability issues, I have no problems recommending the Samsung i780 for anyone looking for a WM6 device for business usage. The GPS also seems to work quite well both with the Garmin software and with Google Maps.

    I can also add that reception quality and audio quality for phone usage is way better than the Treo, and also superior to the Nokia.

    Score: 8/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    For one, the 800w is CDMA. while the i780 is GSM without US bands.

    Surur
    To be up with HTC and the likes of them, it should be quad band GSM, and tri band 3G
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    Firmware has been upgraded recently from C1 (latest is D1 now) from A1. More stable and hard reset issue solve. One of the top seller here in Singapore. It was totally sold out for a few times.
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    Yup, DD is right. Definitely the top seller down in Singapore and around Asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isotina View Post
    Hi!

    Been a long time Palm user, with my last Palm being the Treo 650. A couple of years ago a wanted wifi and chose Nokia with the E61. Been using E61 and E61i for some time, before buying the Samsung i780 as my first Windows Mobile device.
    OK - this is spooky - I've the same device history.

    Been using it for 3 weeks now, and I am absolutely satisfied with the device. Having used both Palm OS, Nokia/Symbian and now WM6, my conclusion is that neither is the superior one, but they all have their pros and cons.
    Agreed, the symbian OS was rocksolid but was just lacking something and the PIM was horrible (especially if you tried to sync with outlook).

    As a sales manager in the asset management business, my primary criteria for my mobile device is PIM-functionality, email and easy of use in regards to google reader on the mobile device. Taking these criteria into account, the Samsung i780 is by far the best device I have ever owned. I use Agenda One for PIM, the default Pocket Outlook for emails and Opera web-browser for my internet-usage.
    Again pretty much the same.

    The device is overall very fast, although not as fast as the Treo 650 as I remember it, but certainly much faster than Symbian on the Nokia E61/E61i.
    cannot remember the treo 650 that well (except for the resets...)



    My only gripes with the device are battery life and some indications of instability when it comes to waking the device up from sleep mode. On several occasions I have been forced to perform a soft reset to get the device working again. I have read about the problems with a hard reset on the device, and just hope it doesn't freeze up on me.... In regards to battery life it will not last a day with heavy PIM usage, wifi-connection and frequent email and sms activities. No wonder it comes with a second battery...
    Yeah that can be a problem, the other is the back of the phone is a bugger to get off!



    With hopes of a firmware upgrade in the pipeline correcting instability issues, I have no problems recommending the Samsung i780 for anyone looking for a WM6 device for business usage. The GPS also seems to work quite well both with the Garmin software and with Google Maps.
    I've tried google maps but perfer live search which I think is excellent - also the garmin software is quite nice. I'd agree with your recommendation to business users.

    I can also add that reception quality and audio quality for phone usage is way better than the Treo, and also superior to the Nokia.

    Score: 8/10
    Again, agreed - the audio is much better than either the nokias or my old treo.
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