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    I thought I'd dive in and define a category of user that I think dominates these forums, and pull together all the "stuff" that I consider essential for this kind of user on the 750. Maybe it will become a sticky...

    Please contribute your own ideas to this thread too!

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    The Treo 750 "prosumer" --
    -- Customizes her phone with third party software
    -- Modifies core operating characteristics with "hacks"
    -- Is comfortable modifying the registry, and generally prefers this approach to a CAB file or program that makes the changes "under the hood" because the prosumer likes to understand what is being changed and how it works (although this is not a required aspect of the "prosumer" -- just typical)
    -- Is willing to experiment
    -- Does not generally have dev tools and create software for the platform to tweak it
    -- Is an early adopter

    Please add to this with your own thoughts/ideas. My first reply will kick off the listing of essentials that this sort of user needs to have.
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    The prosumer must have a really good backup program to faciliate experimenting and testing tweaks. Basically, you need something that can can completely restore your phone after a hard reset, so that you can do a backup before applying a tweak, and can easily recover if it doesn't work.

    I use SbpBackup, and am very satisfied with it. I especially like the standalone restore capability of the backup files (SpbBackup need not be installed and/or present to restore -- the backup files are standalone executables with the restore app built in).

    When I apply a tweak, I do a full backup to my SD card first, then apply the tweak. If it screws up the phone, it's a matter of 5-10 minutes of hard reset and backup restore and I'm right back where I started.

    This is absolutely essential if you apply lots of tweaks and changes to your phone. I've customized my with dozens, and in the process have had to do a lot of experimentation and configuration to get it tweaked just right so it works well, but works the way I want it to. It takes hours to put it back that way starting from scratch, and I can never remember all the tricks necessary to get some of these things to play nice together (example: Using CtrlKeyPro with MultiKeyHook so that the OEM keyguard works right -- gotta remember to delete the CtrlKeyPro shortcut from the Startup folder; forgot about this after upgrading to WM6, and spent days of frustration over kbd lockups).

    No doubt there are other equally good backup programs around -- I'm not pitching SpbBackup as the solution. A good backup program is the key, and SpbBackup is an example of software that fills this need nicely.
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    Another essential: A Registry Editor. I use TaskMgr.exe (do a forum/site search to find a link where you can get it).

    It's free, the reg editor built in is (IMO) outstanding, and the app fills another prosumer essential: A real task manager.

    This is one of my most cherished apps. It has features similar to desktop Windows taskmanager, as well as a lot of additional functionality to get at lower-level networking functionality, device management, and more.
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    A way to perform a real soft reset (the button behind the SD card slot door is not a real soft reset -- more in a moment) is absolutely necessary.

    TaskMgr.exe, mentioned above, has this ability (for free!), and can autocreate shortcuts in Start->Programs for soft reset and sleep.

    WM5 and WM6 cache the registry in RAM, and do a lazy flush to the persistent store for the registry (analogous to the Hard Disk file on the desktop).

    Don't worry about the technical meaning of this if you don't know and don't care... The upshot of it is that changes to the registry through RegEdit programs don't "stick" right away, and will be lost if the 750 is rebooted too soon after making them.

    Making matters worse, there's no determinative way to know when changes are finally flushed to the persistent registry file, so people have ended up with a trial-and-error wait delay to get changes to stick.

    A software-based soft-reset solves this problem. When reset through the Windows Mobile operating system interfaces for rebooting, all caches are flushed before shutting down the OS and restarting it. So, when you tweak the registry, you can reboot immediately and know with 100% confidence that your changes have stuck (and can be tested!), so long as you reboot with a software-based soft-reset.

    There are a gazillion others out there besides the one from TaskMgr.exe. Doesn't matter what you use -- you simply need this capability from some source, and always use it to reboot instead of the reset button (unless recovering from a crash, of course!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwallersv View Post
    The prosumer must have a really good backup program to faciliate experimenting and testing tweaks....
    I would have to say this category should not use a backup program. Too much risk of conflicts and/or stability issues. Hard reset, hard reset again w/the Palm app, exchange sync, and reinstall programs (where all of the are on their storage card in an organized folder).

    Thats just my opinion of course... a hard reset should be done before restore anyway, for those who do use a BU program
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattycerts View Post
    I would have to say this category should not use a backup program. Too much risk of conflicts and/or stability issues. Hard reset, hard reset again w/the Palm app, exchange sync, and reinstall programs (where all of the are on their storage card in an organized folder).

    Thats just my opinion of course... a hard reset should be done before restore anyway, for those who do use a BU program
    I think you misunderstood me... The backup program is essential working hand in hand with hard reset.

    When a user spends hours or days getting everything installed, tweaked, and set up just the way they want, and it all works, are you suggesting that they go through all that again when they want to try a new tweak?

    If so, I need a better explanation as to what the gain is in going through all that pain again and again. Could you elaborate?

    A backup utility is essential to avoid that pain. The experimenter can try a tweak, and if it doesn't work, hard reset, restore from backup, and be right back where they were before trying the tweak in minutes instead of hours.
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    I store a separate backup (separate from my daily backups) of a fresh install with my device in a working state which I am happy with, meaning all my normal 3rd party apps installed and registered, system settings set, Exchange settings in place, etc.

    I am never worried about installing/tweaking anything since I have this in addition to my daily backups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philpeeps View Post
    I store a separate backup (separate from my daily backups) of a fresh install with my device in a working state which I am happy with, meaning all my normal 3rd party apps installed and registered, system settings set, Exchange settings in place, etc.

    I am never worried about installing/tweaking anything since I have this in addition to my daily backups.
    That's the idea! I do something similar. I also create a new "baseline" when I add a tweak or app that works, the phone is operating properly, and I decide I want to keep it as part of my standard setup. I archive the older "baseline" on my PC.
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    dwallersv: "I use TaskMgr.exe (do a forum/site search to find a link where you can get it)."

    I did a forum/site search and found only this thread and one dealing with W2K, neither of which is very helpful. :-)

    Can you be more specific about where to find this app?

    TIA,
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    If the amount of tweaks you do take hours to re-install, then I guess a backup would be fine. I personally don't trust that they overwrite everything (esp the registry settings) and am more comfortable doing them myself.

    BUT, that being said, the only tweaks I do manually are the A2DP settings and the date/time on the top bar. And that one is a registry script file I keep on my card, which obviously takes a second to install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladysun1969 View Post
    dwallersv: "I use TaskMgr.exe (do a forum/site search to find a link where you can get it)."

    I did a forum/site search and found only this thread and one dealing with W2K, neither of which is very helpful. :-)

    Can you be more specific about where to find this app?

    TIA,
    I can't remember where I got it, so there's as good a chance as any that I didn't find it here.

    In any case, I've attached it. Installation is simple: Copy it to your phone wherever you want to put it, and run it from there. I created a TaskMgr folder in my Program Files folder on my SD card, and put it there.

    A very helpful thing to do is to run it, hit Menu, and check both Create Pgm Shortcuts and Create RegEdit Shortcut. This will create the folder \windows\start menu\programs\system and puts 5 links in there:

    Reset PPC (software soft-reset)
    RegEdit (opens TaskMgr with Registry Editor page selected)
    Suspend PPC (go to sleep -- same as pressing hangup/off button)
    Task Manager (the Task Manager application you just installed)
    TM Minimized (Task Manager minimized/hidden on startup)

    This is the single most useful bit of freeware I've put on the thing, and it has been bug-free so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattycerts View Post
    If the amount of tweaks you do take hours to re-install, then I guess a backup would be fine. I personally don't trust that they overwrite everything (esp the registry settings) and am more comfortable doing them myself.

    BUT, that being said, the only tweaks I do manually are the A2DP settings and the date/time on the top bar. And that one is a registry script file I keep on my card, which obviously takes a second to install.
    I don't know where our communication is breaking down, but you're not getting it.

    I have a dozen or more apps installed, many purchased so reg keys need to be entered. I have heavily customized settings for many of those apps -- TCPMP being one of them -- that all has to be either manually done again on a fresh install, or a saved config needs to be loaded. I have made many reg tweaks and installed various hacks (like CTRL Key Pro) to tweak the phone to my operational tastes.

    It takes hours to redo all this after a hard reset. The only way I know to streamline it is with a backup utility. If I'm missing something and there is another way, please enlighten me!
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    Nope, like i said if what YOU do takes hrs to re-do, then i understand where you're coming from. A hard reset for me takes about a half hour to get everything back the way I had it. I don't do much tweaking anymore so my scenario is different from yours. I'm not disagreeing with you, just stating another opinion. I keep a word doc on my card w/my reg codes, and even that is only 2 (IM plus and quicken).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwallersv View Post
    I can't remember where I got it, so there's as good a chance as any that I didn't find it here.

    In any case, I've attached it. Installation is simple: Copy it to your phone wherever you want to put it, and run it from there. I created a TaskMgr folder in my Program Files folder on my SD card, and put it there.

    A very helpful thing to do is to run it, hit Menu, and check both Create Pgm Shortcuts and Create RegEdit Shortcut. This will create the folder \windows\start menu\programs\system and puts 5 links in there:

    Reset PPC (software soft-reset)
    RegEdit (opens TaskMgr with Registry Editor page selected)
    Suspend PPC (go to sleep -- same as pressing hangup/off button)
    Task Manager (the Task Manager application you just installed)
    TM Minimized (Task Manager minimized/hidden on startup)

    This is the single most useful bit of freeware I've put on the thing, and it has been bug-free so far.
    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunkmagic View Post
    thanks!
    let me know how it works for you. i just started using this on my 800w as well and so far i like it... especially since it's free.
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    Nice thread, I hope it continues to grow.

    I have to look into SPB Backup. I have the latest Sprite, and I never though about the stand alone restore capabilities. I always install Sprite first after a hard reset, and I will have to see if Sprite can do a stand alone restore as well.

    I DO like how Sprite allows backing up to the PC. I do daily backups, and weekly back ups to a second card and to the PC. I have never restored from the PC backup, so I cant verify how it works. It makes me "feel" secure knowing its there.

    Thanks!
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    Down loaded the tsk mgr above and found that it was version 2.7. Has anyone worked with the 3.1 update?

    http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm
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    I'm still trying to read up as much as I can on the essentials on the WM version. I had the 680 and had some of the apps to change views, create my own screens and buttons and tabs, but I am still trying to get a good grasp on the terminolgy of some of the above.... Task Manager - I will probably download it and play around with it and see what I think, but it sounds like most like it...
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    Sprite should be more than able to handle the hard reset/restore situation, as the file it creates is an executable (exe) stored on the card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwallersv View Post
    I can't remember where I got it, so there's as good a chance as any that I didn't find it here.

    In any case, I've attached it. Installation is simple: Copy it to your phone wherever you want to put it, and run it from there. I created a TaskMgr folder in my Program Files folder on my SD card, and put it there.

    A very helpful thing to do is to run it, hit Menu, and check both Create Pgm Shortcuts and Create RegEdit Shortcut. This will create the folder \windows\start menu\programs\system and puts 5 links in there:

    Reset PPC (software soft-reset)
    RegEdit (opens TaskMgr with Registry Editor page selected)
    Suspend PPC (go to sleep -- same as pressing hangup/off button)
    Task Manager (the Task Manager application you just installed)
    TM Minimized (Task Manager minimized/hidden on startup)

    This is the single most useful bit of freeware I've put on the thing, and it has been bug-free so far.
    would this work on the Palm Treo Pro too?
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