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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    You are happy with a phone without

    - 3rd party apps
    - cut and paste
    - ability to access the file system
    - ability to customize the interface

    You clearly dont need a smartphone to keep you happy. Why you struggled with so many though the years you will probably never know.

    Surur
    -I would like the iPhone to have 3rd party apps
    -I would like cut and paste
    -dont really care about accesing the file system
    -I already like the interface

    But what I really do not need, is the ability to save attachments in email. Others might, but I do not.

    Not sure what you meant about struggling with smartphones. I actually enjoyed using my blackberry. If I could get my Blackberry email on the iPhone, along with syncing notes, it would be the closest thing to a perfect device for me.
  2. #22  
    Wow this WM side was extra generous to the iphone side.

    If he used the WM6 Email one letter short cuts I think it would have been even farthur aparts.

    Typing and filtering is great.
    One Letter shortcuts are also great!

    Regards
    graylion
  3. #23  
    Quite simply - iPhone - visual voice mail. This is worth 5 points. We now have a tie. Dialing in to retrieve messages??? What is this, 2006? -1 for Windows Mobile. iPhone triumphant.
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by wehrmact View Post
    Quite simply - iPhone - visual voice mail. This is worth 5 points. We now have a tie. Dialing in to retrieve messages??? What is this, 2006? -1 for Windows Mobile. iPhone triumphant.
    Good thing you can also get visual voice mail for WM, isn't it.

    Surur
  5. #25  
    Let's see, are you referring to the third party apps that are available? Such as this: http://www.motionapps.com/mvisualvoicemail/_otherppc.jsp? Notice that you need to pay an additional $24.99 for this app.

    Visual voice mail is part of the iPhone's OS architecture. It is also guaranteed to work. I wonder if there are compatibility issues with these third party apps for Windows Mobile on a variety of different hardware platforms? Apparently there are serious issues.

    Speaking of price and what is included: iPhone - $399, 8 gigs
    Tilt - $300, 256MB card

    In order to get the Tilt up to 8GB you need to...wait the Tilt doesn't support 8GB cards yet. Or does it? According to the Tilt booklet it can only support 4GB. According to the AT&T website it can support up to 32GB. Which is it? Very confusing.

    You can buy a 4GB San Disk card for $74.99. So lets just say you need to buy two of these cards to equal the iPhone's storage capacity. That is a total dollar amount of $149.98. I could buy an 8GB San Disk card, but sadly there is no pricing or availability info posted yet. You also need to spend $24.99 for the previously mentioned VisualVoice mail app.

    Newly adjusted price of Tilt to equal iPhone hardware/software: $474.97
    iPhone: $399.00

    iPhone trumps Tilt with super secret Crane Kick. Mr. Miyagi smiles, Apple runs dojo now while Windows Mobile sulks with Cobra Kai team.
  6. #26  
    I cant believe you came back to more clearly demonstrate your ignorance. But ok...

    Visual voice mail is part of the iPhone's OS architecture. It is also guaranteed to work.
    Unless you unlock it and run on another network from AT&T... Or drop the data plan (save $480 over the life of the phone).. or you are roaming overseas etc etc...

    In order to get the Tilt up to 8GB you need to...wait the Tilt doesn't support 8GB cards yet.
    Actually it does support all SDHC cards up to 32GB.

    BTW, how much does it cost to add GPS to the iPhone.... Oh I forgot, you cant do it at all

    Tilt trumps iPhone with super secret Crane Kick. Mr. Miyagi smiles, HTC runs dojo now while OSX Mobile sulks with Cobra Kai team.
    See what I did there...

    Surur
  7. #27  
    You did not actually refute any of my points.

    Unless you unlock it and run on another network from AT&T... Or drop the data plan (save $480 over the life of the phone).. or you are roaming overseas etc etc...
    The argument you pose about unlocking the iPhone is specious reasoning. The Tilt won't work on the moon or underwater, so I guess by your logic it is an inferior product. You do not directly counter the argument that the Tilt will cost far more.

    Actually it does support all SDHC cards up to 32GB.
    Are you certain about this? I can't seem to locate anyone who actually has a 32GB card in the Tilt. You also avoided commenting on the observation about the discrepancy between the Tilt's owner's manual and AT&T's website.

    Alas, the iPhone does not have a GPS module that requires an additional $10 to $15 subscription per month. I guess the absolutely free wireless iTunes app and iPod feature will have to suffice.

    The iPhone SDK is being released in January 08. The rush of quality third party apps should be quite astounding...
  8. #28  
    You came back again? My God! Dont you know when you are beaten?

    If you drop the data plan, your much vaunted visual voice mail wont work. True or false?

    And are you forgetting more than 20% if iPhones have been unlocked, run on "unauthorized networks" and have never seen your built-in visual voice mail?

    And yes, 8GB microSD cards (the highest capacity available at present) have been tested and found to work on the Tilt. The theoretical maximum size for SDHC cards are 32GB.

    BTW, the Tilt has a stand alone GPS receiver, meaning you can use any GPS software, including Google maps and live search, or TomTom etc.

    The iPhone SDK is being released in January 08. The rush of quality third party apps should be quite astounding...
    Yes, if your phone is as crippled as the iPhone clearly is, I bet you cant wait for 3rd party apps, quality or not.

    I guess the absolutely free wireless iTunes app and iPod feature will have to suffice.
    Yes, isn't it great that Apple gives you even more ways to spend your money with them. And paying twice for ring tones on your iphone.... how could any Apple fanboy resist.

    The fact is that the Tilt is a powerful smartphone, whereas the iPhone is a trumped up LG Voyager. And isnt it horrible the way Apple copied the LG Prada ... no shame at all...

    I hope you do realize the iPhone is just a feature phone.. you know, thats why you pay feature phone data rates....

    Surur
    Last edited by surur; 11/19/2007 at 08:45 AM.
  9. #29  
    You are still dodging the issue of total cost of ownership.
    If you drop the data plan, your much vaunted visual voice mail wont work. True or false?
    This logic is flawed. As stated in a prior post your reasoning is specious. Without a data/service plan no mobile will work properly. There is no carrier that does not charge for SMS or other types of data transfer(s). You cannot (according to AT&T's T&C) use a MediaNet or Smartphone plan on the Tilt. Smartphones, according to AT&T, are phones with PDA functionality but not full keyboards. Unfortunately, this is a huge training issue for AT&T. Most of the reps don't really understand which plans belong with which phones. That said, if AT&T audits their plans and discovers the discrepancy, they can charge you handsomely for having the wrong type of plan on the phone. Running a plan that shouldn't be provisioned onto the phone is something you do strictly at your own risk.

    Yes, isn't it great that Apple gives you even more ways to spend your money with them. And paying twice for ring tones on your iphone.... how could any Apple fanboy resist.
    You must be using someone else's money to pay for all of those great Tilt features that charge a premium.

    And yes, 8GB microSD cards (the highest capacity available at present) have been tested and found to work on the Tilt. The theoretical maximum size for SDHC cards are 32GB.
    Theoretically the iPhone keeps Bengal Tigers at bay. The Tilt cannot push past the 8GB card limit. What is the price for one of these 8GB cards?

    And are you forgetting more than 20% if iPhones have been unlocked, run on "unauthorized networks" and have never seen your built-in visual voice mail?
    20%, huh? suppose you are alluding to these numbers:
    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone-unlocked/250000-unlocked-iphones-have-been-sold-313741.php
    1.4 million inferior iPhones have been sold since launch. 250,000 iPhones are unlocked and have not seen visual voice mail. Yet there are still 250,000 people using an unlocked iPhone. That is a lot of people willing to use such an unworthy device without the full benefit of all its features. How many units of the Tilt are going to be sold?

    A question: Who is this hardware maker HTC? What other phones/products have they designed? Are they a reliable vendor?

    Also, AT&T has some dubious policies I am leery of. I do not like their SMS policy. Do you pay for inbound texts as well? Do you pay for texts that are sent/received between AT&T customers? I have received 5 different answers from AT&T about this.
    AT&T billing is intractbale as well. I switched to a finite number of text messages a while back and of course the change was not recorded. I have a confirmation number for that supposed change and when I called AT&T billing I have been hung-up on twice and told once that a serious mistake was made and that my service plan should have never been authorized for such a change...
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by wehrmact View Post
    You are still dodging the issue of total cost of ownership.
    As you said, the iPhone is not a smartphone. You usually pay more to get more. Like a 3G capable device with built-in GPS receiver.

    BTW, 8GB microSD is little more than $100, and in 3 months will be much less.

    BTW, HTC shipped more than 10 million smartphones in their last financial year, and aim to ship 20 million in the next. They are also a launch partner for the Google Android operating system, and will be making 3 handsets for them. They have also said they will do a few Wimax devices.

    Surur
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