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    I just couldnt resist. Even after I played with it and was unsure, I got a great deal and bought the 750. I then got it unlocked and spent a very intense day nonstop with it. But after 1 day I am selling it.

    I am a power geek who has hacked his 650 ROM to bits, upgraded it and done things it was never supposed to do: its taken me all this time to get my 650 to be a really simple machine to use. So i bought the 750 thinking that this is the one the 'power user' is supposed to buy. But I just dont like WM5: How much more complex can an OS be? Its like digging around in the dark to find the light switch. Every so often I find it!

    the comparison is simple: Palm = 1 step when WM5 = 2 to 3 steps

    ...and I dont see the point of 'OK'. its like the 'Are you Sure' step from 1980's software! Totally redundant. the whole beauty of palm is that you simply run the next program by pushing one button. Its meant to be a smartphone, but you shouldnt need a PhD just to operate basic functions!


    ...and thats aside from the screen. I really missed the 650 screen. its simply clearer and easier to read.

    My point is Power users: its OK to stick with the 680! its basically your Treo 650 with more memory, and thats probably what you want anyway (isnt that why you hacked your ROM too??).

    BTW the form factor is simply excellent. Two other things I learned:

    My Sync-and-charge cable did work from my 650, but seems to be MUCH slower than the thicker Sync cable supplied with the 750.

    the Treo 650 battery DOES FIT! Yes, you CAN use your Seido 2400 battery! The only problem is you will look a little weird as you have to leave the battery cover off the device. But hey, as a backup, thats great news. Someone just has to come out with an alternative battery cover (kind of like the hood on a car with a BIG engine!)

    So, I left Palm for a day. and now im going home. Sianara WM5!
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    You consider yourself a power geek and yet you find WM5 too complex? Please don't go off on being able to launch programs. On my WM device I have 4 different ways of accessing my application. The quickest being able to pull down a startmenu when I am in another application a choose from a hierarchy list. The second quickest is being able to press one button and get to my Today screen to launch an appliction.

    Doesn't make sense to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
    Last edited by JGold; 10/16/2006 at 11:01 AM.
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    Its not that I didn't know how to use it, just that it seems too complex for a non PC device with a small screen.

    and I prefer to have everything hidden with icons just for the stuff I regularly use.
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    I'm with you Ekerbuddy,

    If I wanted complex Windows navigation and high data speeds.....I'll use my notebook and wifi.

    I want my phone/PDA to be simple and easy with occasional data access and efficient email. I can't wait for the 680

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    I have to say I think your point about using the Seido battery is misleading. It might be able to line up the contacts but it's twice the thickness at least of the 750 battery. The darm battery barely fit in my 700p it was so thick. Using a battery but leaving the cover off is a "it's works" thing.

    I think you are missing the point of the 750v. Personally I much prefer Palm OS also and I do think it's easier with less clicks and other non-useful stuff in WM5. BUT do you want things like:

    UMTS data speeds?
    Bluetooth voice dialing?
    Bluetooth stereo?

    If you do, then the 750 has them included and the 680 doesn't. The first two at least will never be able to be added to the 680. These sorts of things really make the decision between the 680 and 750. If you want high-speed data then the 680 is a real problem. Personally if the 680 had UMTS I would get it, but it doesn't and it won't ever.
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    well nothing in lfe is perfect! But I have my 650 as near as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ekerbuddy View Post
    Its not that I didn't know how to use it, just that it seems too complex for a non PC device with a small screen.

    and I prefer to have everything hidden with icons just for the stuff I regularly use.
    I've used palm and wm devices for years now, I have switched back and forth and have seen most major OS releases for both. I also used a Treo 650 for over a year. Spending one day with WM5 really isn't enough to let you do what you want. The beauty of WM5 is how customizable it really is - far more than the Palm OS. There is a learning curve, but that's what happens when you have that much power. Its like driving a hyundai sonata vs. a z06 - most people won't be able to wring out the power of a z06 without getting used to its behavior whereas you'll get accustomed to the sonata right away.

    I find that the Palm OS really was limited compared to WM5. Particularly multitasking. And I don't mean being able to multitask with SOME things, I mean you can multitask with EVERYTHING. Particularly the web browser.
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    I've been a long time Palm fan boy and bought a 700wx, and love it. Gadgetluva is so right, WM is far more customizable than Palm OS. WM can be daunting at first, but once you start multitasking you realize how antiquated Palm OS is. Different strokes for different folks.
    Jimmie Geddes
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    In defense of the original post, I have to say that I still think with Palm OS I can customize for the things important to me better than I see with WM5. Specifically the favorites in the 650/700p are great. I can hold down T and get a traffic website. I hold down W and get the weather, I hold down H and call home. This is certainly not possible in the WM5 on the 700w/700wx/750v. Maybe there is a way to do this with third parties (although I've not seen one like this) but I'm not a fan of adding more than absolutely needed. I've never encountered an OS (even unix) that doesn't have some stability or performance impact when you add things that deal with system behavior.

    Also as far customizing, yes in some cases. But I just want IE to open on the favorites rather than the home page (like I can do in Blazer). Is this so much to ask? I don't see any way to do this. I've got a whole laundry list of complaints in email and calendar.

    The problem with customizing is that the more powerful apps in WM5 add boatloads of features. I don't want/need this, I want a few logical additions to the built-ins or third-party apps. Pocket Informant is powerful, but it's like using using a Mack truck to bring groceries home from the store. Something smaller, simpler, and easier to use would work better.

    Oh and one last edit. The screen is only 240x240. I don't want programs/extensions that dump everything into the today screen. I want a today screen that shows the most critical info without scrolling.
    Last edited by bcaslis; 10/16/2006 at 01:31 PM.
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    I think one of the major selling points to me about the WM5 OS is the Today screen - Palm has had its copies (and the new phone app has something similar), but none have EVER come close to the raw power, functionality, and customization of the WM Today screen. All of the info you need in one place. Launch apps, search for things on google, look up contacts, see your weather forecast, news headlines, system settings etc right there. Amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetluva View Post
    I think one of the major selling points to me about the WM5 OS is the Today screen - Palm has had its copies (and the new phone app has something similar), but none have EVER come close to the raw power, functionality, and customization of the WM Today screen. All of the info you need in one place. Launch apps, search for things on google, look up contacts, see your weather forecast, news headlines, system settings etc right there. Amazing.
    Bingo. And the best part of it is that WM is designed to allow developers to put anything they please into a today screen plugins as long as they are coded to MS specifications. That's unlike some of the Palm OS applications that take over the device in order to supplement functionality.
    PDA Lineage: Handspring Visor Deluxe, Visor Prism, Casio EM-500, Casio E-200, HP Jornada 568, IPAQ 1910,IPAQ 4150,Ipaq 2750 (with Moto Razr V3), Imate K-Jam,Treo 750,HTC Touch Cruise,HTC Touch Diamond(US)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JGold View Post
    You consider yourself a power geek and yet you find WM5 too complex? Please don't go off on being able to launch programs. On my WM device I have 4 different ways of accessing my application. The quickest being able to pull down a startmenu when I am in another application a choose from a hierarchy list. The second quickest is being able to press one button and get to my Today screen to launch an appliction.

    Doesn't make sense to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
    I don't think its about being too complex...more or less not efficient with usage. Being a geek who doesn't want to hasle with unesecary steps to get to a common goal is acceptible by me especially with devices that are supposed to be designed with the notion in mind. You don't have to make things unesecary and complex just to merit your geekness. I program and manage robots for an automation line and I consider myself a geek with gadgets and I have used the 6700 and I didn't mind the learning curve with WM but I just like Palm OS better, so I guess I am a week geek because of this. I will only convert to WM if I am forced to by the death of POS, until then I love the speed and one handed capability of my POS. Its about being smart IMO because these are devices not desktops or notebooks so I totally understand ekerbuddy and his point of view and do believe he is part of the geek family, and everybody has the right to their own opinion. I do not hate WM either...I just like POS better for now.
    at&t iPhone3G
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    We should stop viewing WM as more for power users, and Palm OS for "week geeks" as KStewart put it ,lol. Both platforms have their pros and cons, get and keep what works best for you right now!
    Jimmie Geddes
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis View Post
    Also as far customizing, yes in some cases. But I just want IE to open on the favorites rather than the home page (like I can do in Blazer). Is this so much to ask?
    Out of interest, how does blazer open up in favorites. Does it show up as a list of links, or a hierarchy?

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    Out of interest, how does blazer open up in favorites. Does it show up as a list of links, or a hierarchy?

    Surur
    Blazer opens to a table of bookmarks. It kind of looks like a spreadsheet.

    Last edited by brmcguire; 10/16/2006 at 04:16 PM.
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    There's also a cool app called sharklinks

    http://www.ludustech.com/sharklinks/

    which allows you to have your favorites appear right in the launcher, no need to open Blazer, just open the icon and it goes to the webpage. I like this even better than Blazer's builtin favorites view.
    Jimmie Geddes
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    I will say that I was thinking today of how to make IE better, but decided to try something first. I have my links organized in folders. Once you get favorites open in PIE, you can type a letter to select and open a folder, then type a letter to do to the link in that folder and return to open. That's the first thing I've seen in WM5 that seems somewhat thought out. Very handy, I like it. Now if I could get favorites open without three clicks (soft key, click down, click on favorites).
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    Quote Originally Posted by ekerbuddy View Post
    I just couldnt resist. Even after I played with it and was unsure, I got a great deal and bought the 750. I then got it unlocked and spent a very intense day nonstop with it. But after 1 day I am selling it.

    I am a power geek who has hacked his 650 ROM to bits, upgraded it and done things it was never supposed to do: its taken me all this time to get my 650 to be a really simple machine to use. So i bought the 750 thinking that this is the one the 'power user' is supposed to buy. But I just dont like WM5: How much more complex can an OS be? Its like digging around in the dark to find the light switch. Every so often I find it!

    the comparison is simple: Palm = 1 step when WM5 = 2 to 3 steps

    ...and I dont see the point of 'OK'. its like the 'Are you Sure' step from 1980's software! Totally redundant. the whole beauty of palm is that you simply run the next program by pushing one button. Its meant to be a smartphone, but you shouldnt need a PhD just to operate basic functions!


    ...and thats aside from the screen. I really missed the 650 screen. its simply clearer and easier to read.

    My point is Power users: its OK to stick with the 680! its basically your Treo 650 with more memory, and thats probably what you want anyway (isnt that why you hacked your ROM too??).

    BTW the form factor is simply excellent. Two other things I learned:

    My Sync-and-charge cable did work from my 650, but seems to be MUCH slower than the thicker Sync cable supplied with the 750.

    the Treo 650 battery DOES FIT! Yes, you CAN use your Seido 2400 battery! The only problem is you will look a little weird as you have to leave the battery cover off the device. But hey, as a backup, thats great news. Someone just has to come out with an alternative battery cover (kind of like the hood on a car with a BIG engine!)

    So, I left Palm for a day. and now im going home. Sianara WM5!
    What are you asking for it? You indicated you were selling it but I did not see a price or offering anywhere.
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    I didn't like WM5 that much the first day either, but now I will not go back to the Palm OS after using it. I tried and realized how limited the Palm OS is.

    I think you should use it for 2 weeks, then make a decision.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    While I can see someone deciding to stick with Palm OS, I agree with Phone Diva that if its not too late you should give it a week or two before making a final decision.
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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