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    I am curious to how well each of the Treo 700's are selling. Has more people steered towards the traditional PalmOS or opted to get the WM5 version. I also understand that the 700W has been out longer, so the results may be scewed. I know that I am posting this in a 700W as well.
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    Some chap who says he has a Treo Lennon also claims the Treo 700w outsells the Treo 700p on Verizon.

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=121063

    Surur
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    Of course this comparison is sort of meaningless. One would expect the w to outsell the p, since people have the option of keeping a current Treo 650 if they want POS, but not if they want WM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levinda
    Of course this comparison is sort of meaningless. One would expect the w to outsell the p, since people have the option of keeping a current Treo 650 if they want POS, but not if they want WM.

    True. I own both and like both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levinda
    Of course this comparison is sort of meaningless. One would expect the w to outsell the p, since people have the option of keeping a current Treo 650 if they want POS, but not if they want WM.
    You know, there were WM phones before the WM Treo.

    In fact there are less choices on the Palm side to upgrade to.

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    You know, there were WM phones before the WM Treo.

    In fact there are less choices on the Palm side to upgrade to.

    Surur
    True as well. With all this PalmOS news of the OS going away (or not getting updated) and the European market demanding the WM5 would make folks think about making a move to WM5. Long term who knows, but I am curious to how the current and new users of the Treo are making this decision.
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    Well, except for that throw-away line we really have no idea which sells better, and lot of suspicion that the W is selling much worse.

    Surur
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    If sales at amazon are at all representative, the p has been outselling the w pretty consistently (currently ranked 5th and 7th, respectively)

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...bosnation0e-20
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    I've seen the same pattern at www.brighthand.com.
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    The W is only available on one carrier (with the most expensive data plan), while the p is available on two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    The W is only available on one carrier (with the most expensive data plan), while the p is available on two.
    That's a very good point. I read that the W is coming to Sprint at the end of the month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomUps
    The W is only available on one carrier (with the most expensive data plan), while the p is available on two.
    I should clarify that in the amazon ranking I cited, both the verizon-specific 700p is outselling the Verizon 700w. Incidentally, the Verizon 700p outsells the Sprint 700p as well.
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    Palm's 10-K shows Verizon sells twice as many Treo's as Sprint, despite the cheaper plans on Sprint and the long relationship with Palm.

    Surur
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    It's very hard to tell cause of the way the numbers are presented. For example:

    1. We know that about 20% of Treo sales were 700w's...assuming an even 1,000,000 sold, that would be 200,000
    2. We know that Verizon had IIRC, 30% of Treo sales.......assuming an even 1,000,000 sold, that would be 300,000

    So at 1st glance, it would seem that Verizon customers bought 700w's at twice the rate they bought 650's....however....

    That 20% figure was from the 1st quarter that the 700w was selling so it's safe to say that there was a lot of pent up demand there as well as given the choice between the old model and the new, most will buy the new.

    So if you adjust .... out of the 300,000 Treos Verizon sold in a year, 20% of one quarter's sales were 700w's or 50,000.....roughy 1/6th of their sales for the year.

    In all fairness, in that quarter, we can still expect that 50,000 outta the 75,000 Verizon sold were 700w's....but as they had no 700p so how do ya judge what woulda happened if both were available ? Overall in that quarter....roughly there were 50,000 700w's sold and 200,000 POS Treos sold. How many switched to Verizon just so they could get the 700w ? Palm and MS made a conscious decision to give Verizon an exclusive cause I believe they recognized that Verizon's business base gave them the best opportunity to penetrate.

    On the surface with verizon concentrating so much on the large business customer, where for the most part IT departments doing the buying, I'd expect the 700w to do much better than it would on Sprint or Cingular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur
    Palm's 10-K shows Verizon sells twice as many Treo's as Sprint, despite the cheaper plans on Sprint and the long relationship with Palm.

    Surur
    To be accurate and fair, in 2006 they did....things were very different in 2005 and 2004.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE
    To be accurate and fair, in 2006 they did....things were very different in 2005 and 2004.
    And to add to that point, for the entire first half of '06 Verizon had the "new" treo. The 650 was already overmatched and the 700p just came out a month ago.
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    It's hard to tell if Treo buyers are trending towards Windows Mobile or the Palm OS. Historically, Palm has been the preferred PDA OS. Then the Treo came out with the Palm OS. So nobody really had to relearn for the most part. Now that Windows Mobile is on in my opinion the best smartphone platform (Palm Treo), will existing users and new users move over. It's interesting because I admit, I moved to the Treo 700w when it came out. I of course loved a new look OS on the Treo and dealt with relearning old habits. Probably why I own both 700's. I like both for certain reasons.

    With all the news of Palm integrating more and more on the WM5 platform, I wonder what the future looks like with the Palm OS. Will it be just another option of OS's (WM5, POS, Linux, etc.) or is the industry (and trends) leaning toward a OS that supports more of the current technologies. Which looks like the case. Mobility has changed so much in 10 years and the Palm OS really remained static for the most part during that time. Granted, it did a pretty good job at it, just might be a dying platform if not updated.
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