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    Hi,

    I was curious about the SKII speeds vs the 1xRTT speeds. I have been thinking about going from my CSK to either a SKII or a PPC type phone with 1xRTT/EVDO speeds. I live in a 1xRTT area but travel to EVDO areas often.

    Of course, the sidekick method for email is as good as could be. The web part is so horrendously slow, I dont ever really use it. I would like to be able to do that.

    Plus another PPC application is making me think twice.

    Anyway, is there a known "speed" for the Sidekick? Is it as fast as 1xRTT?

    Thanks,
    Rich
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    Yes the sidekick 2 is 1rxtt, just like any other gsm data service. Sidekick vs treo 700w they are not even in the same weight class.
    Sidekick 2 vs anyother 1rxtt phone you will get almost the same speed. But at time the tmobile proxy cache pages which makes them download a lot faster then the treo's regular direct data connect.

    As for email, instant messenger Sidekick 2 is the best, and there is" to date" a better solution for the two combined.

    Windows mobile is a great pda, but their phone data data function are as good as the sidekick 2
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    Hrmm I didnt realize that the sidekick2 had the 1rxtt.

    The SK2 is almost unusable for viewing web pages. It is great for email (what i use it for). I wanted to stop carrying a nextel phone (voice), Dell Axim PDA (data contacts, etc) and the CSK (for email only).

    One device sounds great but I live in a 1Rxtt area & travel to a Evdo area often. It sounds like I wouldnt get a great speed increase, plus with 3 separate email accounts, I might have a harder time with the Treo...

    I couldnt be more confused if I tried!
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    1xRTT speeds vary considerably from carrier to carrier. From what I understand, CDMA (Sprint, VZW) is much faster than GSM (Cingular, T-Mobile). It think Sprint is a bit faster than VZW; not sure about differnces between GSM carriers. I can tell you that my Sprint connection is roughly twice the speed of dial-up (100 - 110 kbps). Do a search for dslreports.com and you'll find plenty of threads listing speeds on various carriers.

    In short, I think the carrier's speed is a bigger factor than the device, as long as it's apples-to-apples (i.e., not a 1xRTT-to-EVDO comparison).
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    No, the Sidekick is not 1xRTT. 1xRTT is CDMA. The Sidekick is a GSM device, which means it either uses GPRS or EDGE for data. (I *think* the SK2 is EDGE capable) GPRS is very slow, whereas EDGE is roughly equivalent to 1xRTT. Actually, it's a bit faster on paper, but in most real world tests it ends up being about the same.
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    The SK2 is not EDGE compatible. GPRS only. I took my 700w to the Oregon coast recently, where there was only 1xRTT coverage, and it felt faster than I remember my SK2 being, but that may be subjective. I don't have any hard data.

    Keep in mind that with the SK2, you not only have network speed to contend with, but you are also jockeying for a slot on Danger's web proxy along with all the other SK users in the world.
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    Yes the sidekick is not call 1rxtt ,but the two 1rxtt and gpsr are roughly the same. As for speed, page rendering time plays a lot into the equation. A pda would be beat the sidekicks render time hands down. But the data speed is probably the. But I have personally notice that the sidekick was a lot faster then my treo 600 when it came to download graphic intense, or popular site. As a matter of fact my sidekick 2 load mobile.treocentral.com faster then my 600 and a 650 I tested.
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    Also for the people claiming the sidekick broswer isn't worth using, then the treo's or any other smartphone browser should fit that same category. By far the best browsing experience I have had so far has been through the sidekick 2. "I'm on it right now". Hand download that sidekick 2 browser is truly made for a mobile user. While the treo and windows mobile browser attempt to be desktop replaces but both fall short in all respect.
    The sidekicks browser is the only broswer that seems to have a real cache. Going backwards on a page is almost instant "not matter the size", while going backward on a treo is like redownloading the entire page again.

    My honest opinion "ready for the flames" for a data centric device, the sidekick is unbeatable "aside from a data pcmia card". You get push email, instant instant messenging through aol and yahoo, best mobile browsing, and all you contact, task, calender, note are stored on the network so you data is always available, and the phone is more reliable then a treo 600 -650. Not resets, crashes, missed calls etc. But you do lose a lot of the pda function. But for true data use. Sidekick is the way to go
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    If the Sidekick 2 is still only GPRS, then that's a pretty big shortfall IMO. 1xRTT is about 3 times faster than GPRS, so no they're not the same. I guess if for email/IM only, GPRS wouldn't be a big deal but for other tasks it's pretty brutal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Yes the sidekick is not call 1rxtt ,but the two 1rxtt and gpsr are roughly the same. As for speed, page rendering time plays a lot into the equation. A pda would be beat the sidekicks render time hands down. But the data speed is probably the. But I have personally notice that the sidekick was a lot faster then my treo 600 when it came to download graphic intense, or popular site. As a matter of fact my sidekick 2 load mobile.treocentral.com faster then my 600 and a 650 I tested.

    OKay...there's a lot of confusion here...

    First of all, there is DEFINITELY a speed difference between 1xrtt and GPRS. Typical real-world GPRS speeds are around 30-40 Kbps while typical real-world 1xrtt speeds are closer to 60-80 kbps. That is definitely noticable to the average user.

    Secondly, comparing web browsing speeds on the SKII vs the Treo is also not applicable b/c the SK uses backend server proxy for all it's browsing that formats pages for the device. Thus the SK will appear to have faster load times b/c it is not acutally directly browsing the net but via proxy. This is fine and dandy for most users but not advisable for many users who do not want to send their critical data via 3rd party proxy all the time. In addtion you can always use 3rd party proxy via blazer as well...

    Finally, the Treo 700W has a 1xEvDo radio with 1xrtt support used only as backup!!! PIE actually renders quite fast from my testing on the device and it is remarkable quick imo. EV-DO provides data rates over 10 times faster than 1xRTT. 1xEvDo Release 0 is the original version, and the first to be widely deployed. I'm not certain, but I believe thsi is also the version supported by Verizon at this time. Rel. 0 offers data rates up to 2.4 mbps, averaging 300-600 kbps in the real world completly blowing out gprs speeds in comparison...
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    Blazer uses a sprint proxy also, which format the page by reducing pic size etc. As for Pocket internet explorer, it suck big time. Blazer on the 650 is ok, the sidekick browser is a lot better then both. With the treo you have a great pda that acts as a jack of all trades, but it masters none. While with the sidekick 2 you lose the great pda funcation, but it masters, reliable voice, great web browser, super fast email, and reliable instant messenger through yahoo and aol. The sidekick is no replacesment for the treo "even though it replaced mine" for super fast data the sidekick rock.

    Remeber the sidekick 2 is a dedicated device with true multi tasking. You can receive a web page, send a instant message, send a email, and send a txt simulataneous "with no slow down at all".

    For mobile data, the best is sidekick, or black berry. For pda treo 650, treo 700 suck big time
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    Blazer uses a sprint proxy also, which format the page by reducing pic size etc...
    NO IT DOESN'T!! It's true that all sprint handsets access web via Sprint's HA server, but there is no backend "mobile formating" or shrinking that occurs like with other 3rd party proxies like Skweezer etc!


    Anyway, if you hate the Treo so much, then why are you still here? Please do us all a favor and leave already instead of trolling, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunkmagic
    NO IT DOESN'T!! It's true that all sprint handsets access web via Sprint's HA server, but there is no backend "mobile formating" or shrinking that occurs like with other 3rd party proxies like Skweezer etc!


    Anyway, if you hate the Treo so much, then why are you still here? Please do us all a favor and leave already instead of trolling, OK?

    actually Sprints Proxy Does Reformat Picture for the Treo, or other mobile device. it reduces them. You can See this by using pdanet. Goto a Pac with Graphic "set to 100%", and View the image then access it on a stanard connection. The one download through Sprint is Smaller then the Regular one.

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...t+proxy+images

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...t+proxy+images
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    actually Sprints Proxy Does Reformat Picture for the Treo, or other mobile device. it reduces them. You can See this by using pdanet. Goto a Pac with Graphic "set to 100%", and View the image then access it on a stanard connection. The one download through Sprint is Smaller then the Regular one.

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...t+proxy+images

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/tc...t+proxy+images
    Yes. image compression is one thing, but mobile formating is totally different. The Sprint servers do NOT "mobile format" or shrink entire web pages to fit on the Treo's screen. Tmo SK proxy servers do mobile format pages to fit on SK screenie...

    Besides, there are ways of bypassing the sprint HA by using 3rd party proxy and you can disable the image compression via air cards on laptops fyi..
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    The Treo 700w can comfortably stream full motion video from the web. Going back to GPRS is just painful.
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    I have to agree with Clarence. The SKII is the best when it comes to being on the internet from a mobile location. I switched from a SKII to a Treo in order to stop carrying 2 devices. With SKII I could check my bank account, had PUSH mail, could get online and view ANY website regardless of content or setup. Could even go to the yahoo mail website and check my email. Go to hotmail...check it. These are things I simply can NOT do with the Treo without DLing a bunch of stuff.
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    I have been reading this forum and a few others and this is what I have discovered. I am a newbie and if I am wrong on this, please let me know.

    You wont be able to run AIM like you would on sidekick. You can't access websites like you can on SK, and the Treo is basically more for application running over hardcore instant messaging and instant email.

    From what Ive read, the Treo is a bit less stable than the sidekick and you may have to back up your files and do restarts sometimes. You will have to load a lot of programs and applications to get your treo working like it should.

    I heard that toccer was a good program for AIM and it mimics it well, but it's not the same.

    To me the Treo is like that Mercedes-Benz you've always wanted. It's gonna break down, and you may spend a lot to maintain it. The Sidekick is like a toyota/honda. It is reliable, it will last, and it always starts...but you don't have the status that you would with the Benz.
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    Honestly I don't see why more mobile internet provider don't use proxy server.

    We could do a lot of stuff faster if using a proxy instead of direct connection.

    I mean come on. You have a page designed for average 1024x768 screen being displayed on 160x160 or 320x320 screen. Why would you want the proxying/formating being done by you slow pda processor, and wireless connection verse a dedicated proxy server with with t1 connection.

    Problem is when people think of proxy they think of a business restrict what you do "like using proxy to access forbiden site etc" , but mobile proxys increase the speed of you pages downloads, but reducing the images size, eliminateing everything your mobile browser cannot handle, and reformating the page to handle suck a small screen. A proxy server could download a 120k page, using it dedicated connection at t1 speed, reformat it in less then a sec, and reduce the size to around 12 -20k. That gives you over five times the web browsering speed.

    To test it out try this google proxy.
    http://www.google.com/gwt/n

    As for speed the treo's connect 1xrtt is faster, but you will find that because of the tmobile proxy, the sidekick browser is a lot fast. But you can't use the sidekick as a modem, while you can use the treo as modem and get around double the speed of dail up.
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    Using a proxy to access everything is no go fo rmany enterprise users. For example, no one will want to go through a proxy to access their corp email via vpn or RDS etc. Using a proxy is fine for devices like SK which cater to mostly consumer, teenage crowd etc, but is not advisable for true smartphone device like the Treo etc...
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    Well, I thought that the move away from a proxy server with the 600 (or was it the 650?) was a mistake. I agree that there needed to be an option to not use the proxy server (for enterprise users or people concerned about security/privacy), but for the majority of web browsing, Clarence is correct: Pushing down an 800+ pixel wide web site over a 1xRTT or EDGE connection will be slow. Requiring a low-powered PDA to reformat it on the fly will make the experience slower still.

    The good news is that technlogy is finally catching up thanks to Ev-DO and UMTS, but Handspring/Palm jumped the gun in completely dropping the proxy server with the 600/650, IMO.
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
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