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    Here's another question:

    Hobbes' link to the memory reality thread has a quote that he posted which says the following:

    "Second, the flash space in the Pocket PC is split between storage and rom. So the amount of data or programs you install on your Pocket PC is limited by the amount of free storage (flash) on your device."

    From this quote, it seems reasonable to conclude that the OS is in rom and programs and storage are in the "free storage (flash)." Thus, maybe both the Programs and Storage columns in the Main Memory page are flash numbers and not RAM numbers at all. Maybe what the Main Memory page says is that 63 megs is allocated to storage, 25 megs is allocated to programs and the remaining 40 of the total 128 is allocated to rom (i.e., the OS). Maybe the Main Memory page doesn't tell you anything about RAM usage at all.

    A quick way to check this would be to change the number of programs that are running and see if the "In use" line in the Programs column changes.
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    There is great information posted in both this thread the Memory Reality Thread, can they be merged so we are not bouncing back and forth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perceptions
    Exit the Registry Editor. Wait a minute then do a soft reset.
    If you have a software utility to do a soft reset, then you will not loose your Reg changes. If you do a hardward soft reset there is the chance you could loose the changes in your Reg after you reboot.
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    I think Palm should just post the true RAM on their spec page and end the controversy. 128 with 60 user accessible is all it says, but 128 is total memory.

    On my WM5 device, the number on the "in use" part of "Program" indeed changes when a program is opened or closed, however.
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    Either that or lets look up the DRAM specs on the inside...since im not going to open mine will look at the internal pics posted on the FCC web site before they were taken down...
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    The Device Information program that is mentioned on page 1 of this thread is not enabled/disabled by a registry edit. It is an actual program that sits in the /windows folder called deviceinfo.exe I ripped this file from my K-Jam and put it on my 700w. Yes the program runs, however it does not identify the device or the memory, those fields are just left blank. I will work some more with it in the morning.

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    I am on the phone with palm now and the tech support rep thinks the device has 60something RAM. I dont think he knows the difference between RAM and storage memory but thats what he says.

    How did you rip the file out of ROM? I havent been able to access anything in ROM on the treo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akacaj
    I am on the phone with palm now and the tech support rep thinks the device has 60something RAM. I dont think he knows the difference between RAM and storage memory but thats what he says.

    How did you rip the file out of ROM? I havent been able to access anything in ROM on the treo.
    Using Explorer I pulled the deviceinfo.exe from the K-Jam and placed it in the /windows directory on the 700w. I then executed the program however it does not identify the hardware. I have searched the K-Jam for any other files that might be associated with this program but so far haven't found any. I will post some pics of what I found in a min....

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    Just got off the phone with palm. I was right he had no clue what the difference between RAM and ROM was so he came back and said 128 total and 64 usable. When I confronted him about the 25.4 usable (just to agree with me) he said yes thats all there is.
    He did not help me with the screen lock problem either.

    I cant copy anything that is in ROM from the Treo 700W, it wont allow me. I think there is a way to unlock the ROM so that you can copy stuff. Is that what you did with the Kjam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by akacaj
    Just got off the phone with palm. I was right he had no clue what the difference between RAM and ROM was so he came back and said 128 total and 64 usable. When I confronted him about the 25.4 usable (just to agree with me) he said yes thats all there is.
    He did not help me with the screen lock problem either.

    I cant copy anything that is in ROM from the Treo 700W, it wont allow me. I think there is a way to unlock the ROM so that you can copy stuff. Is that what you did with the Kjam?
    Make sure that files you are trying to copy arent flagged as read only. I had to use the attrib command to remvoe some settings on the deviceinfo.exe to allow me to copy it.
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    I'm starting to think this device actually does have 64MB's of memory.

    If you look at the video review: http://mobilitytoday.com/news/mobili...video_002.html

    He speaks of how Dale Coffin confirms that it in fact does have 64MB of memory but that it is not user accessable...will see if the internal pics show the DRAM chip so i can look it up tonight..
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    If it does, I'll feel a lot better about Palm!
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    seems to me that a lot of non-users/non-owners need to worry less about what they don't own and what they absolutely can't change. i know, you're probably interested in helping out the general public not make such gruesome mistakes in their PDA decision making process and that is quite humane of you. but let me ask: do you even utilize a Treo 700 today? hey, why not let those new Treo 700 owners suffer, worry and deal with their choices, isn't that what the 15 day return policy is all about? it's also the way some people learn in life, that's why they make such policy available. it's important to try things out, especially when you have the free option of putting it back to the corporation. it's supposed to be fun, that's how i see it. if fun costs $ then oh well, some can afford that luxury, but it shouldn't be considered a "bad" if they do. it's not even about Palm vs. MS, or resolution and the like....most all negative opinions come from those not utilizing a Treo (palm or wm) device, today.

    regards
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    just to give a bit of advise to some folks out there. Ram "random access memory" is not as important on a mobile device as it is on a standard computer. You win mobile programs use ram but no were the amount of ram most might think. A regular computer has to load data, and program into memory to run, but mobile programs only load the data, and the program is ram from its prosition in flash. Have 32mb on a mobile device is enough to run literally 20-30 programs. I have a ppc6600 with 128 ram, now like 20mb usable, I can run alomost 10-15 programs no problem.
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    That was true with WM03, but not true any longer with WMO5. I linked to another thread that above that explains this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oalvarez
    seems to me that a lot of non-users/non-owners need to worry less about what they don't own and what they absolutely can't change. i know, you're probably interested in helping out the general public not make such gruesome mistakes in their PDA decision making process and that is quite humane of you. but let me ask: do you even utilize a Treo 700 today? hey, why not let those new Treo 700 owners suffer, worry and deal with their choices, isn't that what the 15 day return policy is all about? it's also the way some people learn in life, that's why they make such policy available. it's important to try things out, especially when you have the free option of putting it back to the corporation. it's supposed to be fun, that's how i see it. if fun costs $ then oh well, some can afford that luxury, but it shouldn't be considered a "bad" if they do. it's not even about Palm vs. MS, or resolution and the like....most all negative opinions come from those not utilizing a Treo (palm or wm) device, today.

    regards
    The 650 is underequipped with memory. Palm should know not to make the same mistake again, especially with WM. Most of the so-called negative comments are from people who know Palm sometimes has a habit of telling you what you need, instead of the other way around. I'm not going to buy another Palm device on either platform as of now, unless they put out something comparable to other makers in the same price range.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    OK.. here is an image of the DRAM chip inside the 700w from the FCC docs... All i can make out is Samsung

    If I could get the rest of the numbers we could solve this once and for all

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    Is there and FCC doc that lists the chips used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstpa
    Has anyone actually seen a Palm or Verizon spec sheet that says that the Treo 700w only has 32MB of RAM? Got a link?

    If Palm had one error to correct with their Treos, it would be the penny-wise, pound-foolish approach to memory. Treo 650's biggest complaint was lack of memory (and crashes to be fair), same deal with 700w. amazing. i hate the way they intentionally leave things out so that they can intentionally innovate slowly. Don't give me economic theories. If you had a ppc or palm that truly made no significant sacrifices, it'd sell just fine enough to make a profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    Is there and FCC doc that lists the chips used?
    Not that I know of.. here is the pdf where I got the internal photos from. Maybe someone can make out the numbers on the Samsung chip.

    http://www.wmphones.com/files/700wInternalPhotos.pdf
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