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    Why do i keep hearing that 1.4.5 is not a big deal and that there are only a handful of pdk apps. Are developers still not interested in porting over there app even though it only takes a couple of days to do? Or are developers holding back because of a problem with this mystery update?


    What do you guys think is going on?
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    Developers have to see a revenue stream in order to release something for new platform. I'm guessing that for now its a wait and see game as to what direction HP will push this. There needs to be an announcement of new hardware, etc
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    True, I don't see developers investing much in the WebOS platform with such a small market share and an uncertain future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalex View Post
    Developers have to see a revenue stream in order to release something for new platform. I'm guessing that for now its a wait and see game as to what direction HP will push this. There needs to be an announcement of new hardware, etc
    But how much of an investment is it really if you already have the app and it is super easy to make it a webOS app? I think I am missing the hang-up unless there is some big cost somewhere associated with it or if they have a contract with Apple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saluki42 View Post
    But how much of an investment is it really if you already have the app and it is super easy to make it a webOS app? I think I am missing the hang-up unless there is some big cost somewhere associated with it or if they have a contract with Apple.
    There are only so many manhours available too, though. For most developers, it's probably more worthwhile to spend their time working on their next iPhone app or supporting their existing apps than porting it over to a struggling platform.
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    I'm becoming less and less happy with the lack of news from HP. Actually, combined with the fact that they are apparently still working on both Windows and Android tablets, I'm pretty angry.

    There is no developer interest because there are hardly any users. HP has bought Palm and, for all intents and purposes, "gone dark." I'm starting to feel like this story won't have a happy ending. But I really hope I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    The idea that it only takes a couple of days is promotional spin. Kind of like how it only took 3 days to port over Pandora.

    For the hobbyist developer it starts out with whether you own a Pre or not. If you don't then you have to go buy one. How about a Pixi? Better get one of those, too, because the display is different. Pre 2? WebOS tablet? Gonna eventually have to buy those, soon, right? You don't really want or need one of these devices but you have to have them to fully support the platform.

    It's a tough sell just to access 2% of the smartphone market.
    Now this explains alot thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    The idea that it only takes a couple of days is promotional spin. Kind of like how it only took 3 days to port over Pandora.

    For the hobbyist developer it starts out with whether you own a Pre or not. If you don't then you have to go buy one. How about a Pixi? Better get one of those, too, because the display is different. Pre 2? WebOS tablet? Gonna eventually have to buy those, soon, right? You don't really want or need one of these devices but you have to have them to fully support the platform.

    It's a tough sell just to access 2% of the smartphone market.
    There aren't any emulators, like there are for other platforms?
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    Yes we have emulators that are for windows
    In a world of droid, Pre does it better.

    Shouldn't we treat this world like the Garden of Eden and avoid the apple at all costs?
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    That's what I thought. Kind of makes UntidyGuy's argument less effective, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pre-fan View Post
    There aren't any emulators, like there are for other platforms?
    Yes, there are emulators. Like most emulators, they don't quite cut it for the final fine-tuning, but they are available.

    That said, what you are hearing about the "reasons" are speculative at best, and like just "made up" anti-Pre noise. Yes, the Pre is a small market. In this case, it's made substantially smaller by the fact that the upgrade that allows the PDK apps to run isn't available yet to the biggest chunk of the users.

    I suspect there are many PDK apps waiting in the wings until the 1.4.5(.x) upgrade gets released.
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    Alright, both of the above points do make sense.

    So, in essence, HP can spur development interest by giving free handsets to luke-warm developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hparsons View Post
    Yes, there are emulators. Like most emulators, they don't quite cut it for the final fine-tuning, but they are available.

    That said, what you are hearing about the "reasons" are speculative at best, and like just "made up" anti-Pre noise. Yes, the Pre is a small market. In this case, it's made substantially smaller by the fact that the upgrade that allows the PDK apps to run isn't available yet to the biggest chunk of the users.

    I suspect there are many PDK apps waiting in the wings until the 1.4.5(.x) upgrade gets released.
    I don't think there are many apps "waiting in the wings" unless it is a developers choice. A couple 1.4.5 PDK apps have already been released... off the top of my head there are 6 or 7 games and a lightsaber app that I know of.

    EDIT: Quick search reveals...

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...-chronicles-hd

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...saber-ultimate

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...80%9E%C2%A2-hd

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...ging-thunder-2

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...atalog/3d-dice

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...ade-of-destiny

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...og/smiles-drop

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...alog/pixi-dust

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler...alog/free-beer

    http://www.precentral.net/app-galler.../flashlight-hd

    Well, getting tired of ctrl C/V
    Last edited by sinime; 08/05/2010 at 03:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinime View Post
    I don't think there are many apps "waiting in the wings" unless it is a developers choice...
    Exactly, that was my point. I suspect that many developers know it will be easy, once there's more of a market. Obviously, if a very small percentag of Pre owners can use the app, and the Pre owners are a very small percentage of smartphone owners, there's less of a market.

    Well "all" of the Pre owners being able to use the apps spur the developers porting it? Probably not all of the, but probably some of them. We'll have to wait and see.
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    Now is the worst time for the delay in releasing 1.4.5 in the U.S. With the information vacuum that is a result of the purchase of Palm by HP, the ongoing $1 million Hot Apps program for PDK apps and the need for new WebOS hardware has U.S. developers confused and without any motivation to port their applications to WebOS. Developers have long screamed for more APIs for Microphone, Bluetooth, Camera and other elements of the phones; but OS update 1.3.1, 1.4.1 and now 1.4.5 have dropped without opening these critical APIs. WebOS only has 4% of the smartphone market and needs to increase that margin before it can be considered a viable app development platform.
    Last edited by not-yet-pre; 08/05/2010 at 08:32 PM.
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    If I were a developer, I surely would be waiting to see if HP announces new devices. As of right now webOS on smartphones is dying. Pixi and Pres (and the pluses) is not growing in marketshare at all (in fact it is declining).

    Yes, I said webOS on smartphones is dying. It wil be until anything is officially announced. Until it is announced there is no guarantee we will ever see another webOS smartphone.

    EDIT: And now with the Android e-Reader from HP that would scare me away even more...
    Last edited by Mikey47; 08/05/2010 at 05:52 PM.

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