Save/Restore vs Pre Backup Utility

jjeffcoat · 07/02/2010, 02:30 PM

What is the difference between these two apps? Are they for a different purpose, or do they accomplish basically the same thing?

jbg7474 · 07/02/2010, 10:09 PM

They're slightly different. They both do the same things, but they do it with different sets of data. The Pre backup gets your notes, any Palm profile data and a record of which apps you have installed from the App Cat. Save/restore backs up data from other applications such as SplashID, Preware, and many games.

davidtm · 07/03/2010, 07:33 AM

Would be nice if they coordinated or combined the functionalities. What if you use both and restore from both? Do you get duplicated data?

jjeffcoat · 07/04/2010, 12:07 PM

So if you need to replace your Pre, would it be advisable to use both?

(Not that I'm replacing mine any time soon, just thinking ahead).

wynand32 · 07/04/2010, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjeffcoat

So if you need to replace your Pre, would it be advisable to use both?

(Not that I'm replacing mine any time soon, just thinking ahead).

Absolutely.

rwhitby · 07/04/2010, 07:11 PM

Save/Restore and Pre Backup Utility take completely different approaches to the problem of backing up data from your device. They cannot be merged.

Save/Restore aims to safely and reliably save and restore data on an application by application basis. We do not restore anything that cannot be restored safely and reliably. We do save some stuff that cannot be restored safely and reliably (we save it in a format which can be read by a human). For this reason, there are many things that it does not save and restore (the list of supported applications grows steadily, but slowly).

Pre Backup Utility attempts to save and restore the complete Palm database. If you do this immediately after a webOS Doctor, it will probably work. If you do any other change to your data (including changes like syncing your contacts with Google or other things like that) before or during the restore, then my understanding (which may be out of date) is that subtle problems may occur. So it's great as a last resort if you have no other way to get your data, but I personally (and again, I may be working from out of date information, cause I haven't tried the latest versions) don't use it. You should verify this point with the author yourself, rather than take my word for it.

Then there is the cloning capability of the WebOS Internals Meta-Doctor. This takes a low-level image of the filesystems of your device, and can clone that back onto the same device.

-- Rod

akram116 · 07/05/2010, 03:24 PM

Just tried Save/restore , but only saved 6 app, am I doing it wrong, or that does not support all apps?

pip smith · 07/05/2010, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akram116

Just tried Save/restore , but only saved 6 app, am I doing it wrong, or that does not support all apps?

It should tell you which of the apps you have that it supports. If you have apps that are currently unsupported you can ask in the save/restore thread for someone to attempt the script, keep in mind that paid apps may need a bounty to be provided. Read the save/restore thread for more info.

cpfms · 07/05/2010, 09:24 PM

I am unable to install save/restore from preware.

download
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
6 89466 6 5547 0 0 14939 0 0:00:05 --:--:-- 0:00:05 22366
100 89466 100 89466 0 0 98k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 114k
failed
-1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"subscribe":true, "target": "/media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.saverestore_0.9.3_arm.ipk", "uncompressedSize": 0}' 2>&1
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true , "ticket":1, "subscribed":true}
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"STARTING" }
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"CREATE_TMP" }
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"VERIFYING" }
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"IPKG_INSTALL" }

rwhitby · 07/05/2010, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpfms

I am unable to install save/restore from preware.

download
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
6 89466 6 5547 0 0 14939 0 0:00:05 --:--:-- 0:00:05 22366
100 89466 100 89466 0 0 98k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 114k
failed
-1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"subscribe":true, "target": "/media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.saverestore_0.9.3_arm.ipk", "uncompressedSize": 0}' 2>&1
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true , "ticket":1, "subscribed":true}
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"STARTING" }
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"CREATE_TMP" }
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"VERIFYING" }
** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"IPKG_INSTALL" }

The correct place to report that would be in the Save/Restore thread.

-- Rod

vandelay · 07/08/2010, 03:27 PM

When it comes to backing up any data stored in the palm database on the device, such as text messages, is there any difference between the Pre Backup Utility and simply copying the database over with Internalz? Even if that's all it's doing, being automated with multiple backups and the date it was backed up is still nice. I am aware that this cannot be done reliably which is why it isn't in Save/Restore, I have successfully done this, and what I do is whenever backing up/restoring the database, I put the phone in airplane mode, restart it, do nothing but the backup/restore of the database with internalz, then restart it again and turn off airplane mode. As far as I know, this method should be reliable.

rwhitby · 07/08/2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vandelay

When it comes to backing up any data stored in the palm database on the device, such as text messages, is there any difference between the Pre Backup Utility and simply copying the database over with Internalz? Even if that's all it's doing, being automated with multiple backups and the date it was backed up is still nice. I am aware that this cannot be done reliably which is why it isn't in Save/Restore, I have successfully done this, and what I do is whenever backing up/restoring the database, I put the phone in airplane mode, restart it, do nothing but the backup/restore of the database with internalz, then restart it again and turn off airplane mode. As far as I know, this method should be reliable.

A long as there are no embedded references to any other files on the phone, yes it will work reliably. 90% or more of people will have no problems (or at least not notice any subtle data inconsistencies like that).

-- Rod

coveredwagonkid · 07/11/2010, 06:28 PM

I'm sorry to cross-link, but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the issue i'm having with Pre Backup Utility...

http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-...ml#post2549872

07/02/2010, 02:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
jjeffcoat Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 2,422 Likes Received: 1 Thanks: 642 Thanked 333 Times in 221 Posts	Save/Restore vs Pre Backup Utility What is the difference between these two apps? Are they for a different purpose, or do they accomplish basically the same thing? __________________ My device history: - Jim J. (On Sprint for many years)
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07/02/2010, 10:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
jbg7474 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 3,858 Likes Received: 92 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 1,061 Times in 715 Posts	They're slightly different. They both do the same things, but they do it with different sets of data. The Pre backup gets your notes, any Palm profile data and a record of which apps you have installed from the App Cat. Save/restore backs up data from other applications such as SplashID, Preware, and many games. __________________ Palm III-->Handspring Visor-->Sony Clie PEG-NR70-->no PDA -->Palm Treo 755p-->Palm Pre-->HP Veer
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07/03/2010, 07:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
davidtm Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 483 Likes Received: 11 Thanks: 142 Thanked 67 Times in 55 Posts	Would be nice if they coordinated or combined the functionalities. What if you use both and restore from both? Do you get duplicated data? __________________ "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" - Tom Waits
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07/04/2010, 12:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
jjeffcoat Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 2,422 Likes Received: 1 Thanks: 642 Thanked 333 Times in 221 Posts	So if you need to replace your Pre, would it be advisable to use both? (Not that I'm replacing mine any time soon, just thinking ahead). __________________ My device history: - Jim J. (On Sprint for many years)
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07/04/2010, 07:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
rwhitby Developer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Adelaide, Australia - follow @webosinternals on Twitter visit www.webos-internals.org and www.facebook.com/webosinternals Posts: 10,220 Likes Received: 546 Thanks: 90 Thanked 8,534 Times in 2,806 Posts	Save/Restore and Pre Backup Utility take completely different approaches to the problem of backing up data from your device. They cannot be merged. Save/Restore aims to safely and reliably save and restore data on an application by application basis. We do not restore anything that cannot be restored safely and reliably. We do save some stuff that cannot be restored safely and reliably (we save it in a format which can be read by a human). For this reason, there are many things that it does not save and restore (the list of supported applications grows steadily, but slowly). Pre Backup Utility attempts to save and restore the complete Palm database. If you do this immediately after a webOS Doctor, it will probably work. If you do any other change to your data (including changes like syncing your contacts with Google or other things like that) before or during the restore, then my understanding (which may be out of date) is that subtle problems may occur. So it's great as a last resort if you have no other way to get your data, but I personally (and again, I may be working from out of date information, cause I haven't tried the latest versions) don't use it. You should verify this point with the author yourself, rather than take my word for it. Then there is the cloning capability of the WebOS Internals Meta-Doctor. This takes a low-level image of the filesystems of your device, and can clone that back onto the same device. -- Rod __________________ WebOS Internals and Preware Founder and Developer You may wish to donate by Paypal to donations @ webos-internals.org if you find our work useful. All donations go back into development. www.webos-internals.org twitter.com/webosinternals facebook.com/webosinternals
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07/05/2010, 03:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
akram116 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CA Posts: 98 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 27 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Just tried Save/restore , but only saved 6 app, am I doing it wrong, or that does not support all apps?
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07/05/2010, 09:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
cpfms Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 63 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 21 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I am unable to install save/restore from preware. download % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0 6 89466 6 5547 0 0 14939 0 0:00:05 --:--:-- 0:00:05 22366 100 89466 100 89466 0 0 98k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 114k failed -1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"subscribe":true, "target": "/media/internal/.developer/org.webosinternals.saverestore_0.9.3_arm.ipk", "uncompressedSize": 0}' 2>&1 Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true , "ticket":1, "subscribed":true} Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"STARTING" } Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"CREATE_TMP" } Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"VERIFYING" } ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "ticket":1 , "status":"IPKG_INSTALL" } __________________ Verizon Wireless Palm Pre Plus 1.4.5 UberKernal 1.0 GHz
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07/08/2010, 03:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
vandelay Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 55 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 27 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	When it comes to backing up any data stored in the palm database on the device, such as text messages, is there any difference between the Pre Backup Utility and simply copying the database over with Internalz? Even if that's all it's doing, being automated with multiple backups and the date it was backed up is still nice. I am aware that this cannot be done reliably which is why it isn't in Save/Restore, I have successfully done this, and what I do is whenever backing up/restoring the database, I put the phone in airplane mode, restart it, do nothing but the backup/restore of the database with internalz, then restart it again and turn off airplane mode. As far as I know, this method should be reliable.
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07/11/2010, 06:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
coveredwagonkid Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: near Syracuse, NY & near York, PA Posts: 52 Likes Received: 0 Thanks: 29 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I'm sorry to cross-link, but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the issue i'm having with Pre Backup Utility... http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-...ml#post2549872 __________________ you can also follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/coveredwagonkid
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