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  1.    #1  
    when i recieve my pre plus in the mail i want to overclock it, but then i read this article...

    http://www.precentral.net/palm-overc...t-recommend-it

    i want my pre to last me awhile, shoulld i do it?
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    Yes
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    We can't make that decision for you. There is a risk that your processor might be damaged by extended use at overclocked speeds. As far as I'm aware nobody has experienced hardware failure to this point simply due to running their processor at 800mhz.

    You need to decide whether the benefits of having a very fast device outweigh the potential risks of device failure. We really can't decide that for you.
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    No one knows for sure. The fact is that running your processor at a higher speed will shorten the *expected* life of the processor ... the faster you run it, the quicker you can expect it to fail. What I've seen (but not verified) is that the manufacturer guarantee is something like 10 years at 500mhz, and about half that at 600mhz. 800mhz would be shorter, but no one can say how much, and these are just estimates/averages/guarantees. Also, some percentage of processors simply won't work correctly at those speeds.

    So the question becomes ... how long do you really expect to keep your Pre, how much is the speed improvement worth, and how lucky do you feel . A lot of people have had no problems and love the speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davis.rob View Post
    So the question becomes ... how long do you really expect to keep your Pre, how much is the speed improvement worth, and how lucky do you feel . A lot of people have had no problems and love the speed.
    Exactly. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm betting that most members here are like me and are itching for a new phone (toy) every year. With the two year mark being a stretch. So, sure running the phone overclocked will naturally shorten it's life. You crank up the engine and its just not gonna last as long. Common mechanical logic would suggest that. I have yet to read and account of a Pre breaking down because of an overclock kernal. My phone has been running it for weeks with no critical issues.

    I'm an a novice smart phone user and for me this patch has made the phone a joy to use and if it poops out in a year or two its not a big deal to me. Ill be up for upgrade by then anyway. And if we are all lucky...the next Palm phone will be out! =) I say do it.
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    Warning, just teasing...

    Quote Originally Posted by WhoMe View Post
    Common mechanical logic ...
    So, ummm... What exactly is, "Common mechanical logic"? :-))

    I only ask because you see I'm a logician so I need to stay up on the latest technical terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronlongo View Post
    Warning, just teasing...

    So, ummm... What exactly is, "Common mechanical logic"? :-))

    I only ask because you see I'm a logician so I need to stay up on the latest technical terms.
    I'm not a mechanic, but I've always heard that if something has mechanical problems, hitting it with a hammer is a viable repair option.
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    well im planning on uprgading to whatever the next best thing is in august 2011. So it shouldnt be a problem running overclocked for just 15 months straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronlongo View Post
    Warning, just teasing...



    So, ummm... What exactly is, "Common mechanical logic"? :-))

    I only ask because you see I'm a logician so I need to stay up on the latest technical terms.
    I made it up =(

    P.S. Feel free to use it! Ive yet to publish the paper...haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScorpionSoul View Post
    I'm not a mechanic, but I've always heard that if something has mechanical problems, hitting it with a hammer is a viable repair option.
    Ah, so next time I'm trying to solve a proof in Common Mechanical Logic, and it gives me trouble all I need to do is break out the hammer? That's by far the most novel approach to theorem proving I've heard of yet. I'll let you know how it goes.
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    A key thing to remember is that if you overclock your device, you automatically give up all warranty rights.

    And yes, Palm can easily tell if you have overclocked your device or not - they get a report from your device every day about what apps it is running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    A key thing to remember is that if you overclock your device, you automatically give up all warranty rights.

    And yes, Palm can easily tell if you have overclocked your device or not - they get a report from your device every day about what apps it is running.

    -- Rod
    I've not seen this traffic across my WLAN - is it related to the backup setting, are they using 3G, or have I just missed it? I suppose since I'm monitoring DNS, they could be using a static IP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    A key thing to remember is that if you overclock your device, you automatically give up all warranty rights.

    And yes, Palm can easily tell if you have overclocked your device or not - they get a report from your device every day about what apps it is running.

    -- Rod
    I wonder if Palm would communicate such information to Sprint should I make a claim on my protection plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    A key thing to remember is that if you overclock your device, you automatically give up all warranty rights.

    And yes, Palm can easily tell if you have overclocked your device or not - they get a report from your device every day about what apps it is running.

    -- Rod
    *Gulp*

    In all honesty, this is a good argument for employing some kind of scaling so you're only being hard on your Pre when you need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ****-richardson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rwhitby View Post
    And yes, Palm can easily tell if you have overclocked your device or not - they get a report from your device every day about what apps it is running.
    I've not seen this traffic across my WLAN - is it related to the backup setting, are they using 3G, or have I just missed it? I suppose since I'm monitoring DNS, they could be using a static IP...
    By mean of the "uploadd" daemon (see history and ready-to-upload material in /var/log/uploadd) that will transfer back to Palm data collected by the "rdxd" daemon (see collected data in /var/log/rdxd).

    Can be deactivated, though:
    mount -o remount,rw /
    chmod a-x /usr/bin/uploadd
    mount -o remount,ro /
    killall uploadd
    and there will be no more "unwanted" application reporting (until the next OTA update if part of the update), although not the best way to help Palm get invaluable information about crashing apps in the field!

    But I suspect I'm a bit off-topic here...
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    Its like your Pre is on HGH and Viagra. It can go all DAY AND NIGHT!
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    <edit> deleted some wrong information <edit>

    While I understand that the total lifetime of the device will more likely than not be affected by overclocking, I'm betting my phone (quite literally) that it's gonna live for a total of two years, which is as long as I intend on keeping it before buying a new one.

    rwhitby, since Palm technically know what Apps I'm running, doesn't that also mean that the old IPK kernels wouldn't make them any wiser? Looks to me (a non-techie) like the only thing that could tip them off is the presence of Govnah or CPUScaler or similar apps.
    Last edited by GodShapedHole; 05/06/2010 at 12:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodShapedHole View Post
    What "made" overclocking for me is the fact that Palm Pre and Motorola Droid both run the exact same OMAP3430 CPU whose stock speed is 600MHz. Palm have downclocked theirs to 500 (for heat issues, no doubt) while Moto overclock it to 1GHz - in the stock model.
    Not to nitpick (and I'm not sure it really makes a difference in this conversation), but do you have a reference to where the Droid is clocked at 1ghz? The Motorola site says "PROCESSOR SPEED Arm® Cortex™ A8 processor 550 mHz", so I'm not so sure that 1ghz is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davis.rob View Post
    Not to nitpick (and I'm not sure it really makes a difference in this conversation), but do you have a reference to where the Droid is clocked at 1ghz? The Motorola site says "PROCESSOR SPEED Arm® Cortex™ A8 processor 550 mHz", so I'm not so sure that 1ghz is correct.
    I must be getting old I could have sworn, sworn, SWORN that I've read the 1GHz spec everywhere, up and down the tech sites, when the Droid was first released, but some googling only reveals overclocks to and past 1GHz. I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing out my mistake, and sorry for disseminating wrong information.

    But don't you all think it's kinda interesting that both Palm and Moto have decided to underclock the 3430 in their devices? Seems like Nokia haven't underclocked it in the N900 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodShapedHole View Post
    <edit> deleted some wrong information <edit>

    While I understand that the total lifetime of the device will more likely than not be affected by overclocking, I'm betting my phone (quite literally) that it's gonna live for a total of two years, which is as long as I intend on keeping it before buying a new one.

    rwhitby, since Palm technically know what Apps I'm running, doesn't that also mean that the old IPK kernels wouldn't make them any wiser? Looks to me (a non-techie) like the only thing that could tip them off is the presence of Govnah or CPUScaler or similar apps.
    The information reported includes both the list of packages installed and the kernel version, both of which show the modification.

    The simple fact is that if you're not willing for the world to know that you are overclocking and have therefore given up your warranty rights, then you really shouldn't participate in the activity.

    -- Rod
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