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    THis earnings report was a joke......I swear I have walked into a lot of verizon stores in ny city, queens ny and I cant stand what I am seeing. They are pushing droid droid droid!!! This is a joke. If your thought process is why should I help palm i already gave them my money when I purchased the phone please dont respond to this thread. But do me a favor think again. Palm is going into battle on a battlefield where the playing field is not fair. If you are a happy customer and a fan we need to take the "viral" thread to another extreme!!! This is a joke. I ask everyone, customers and fans, lets get this viral thread that NEVILLE created going and make this happen!!! Palm is going against the competition without a fair battle. We can help and tonight (as well as the dates provided by the neville thread} put on the PALM "jeresey" and spread the word ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets at least allow palm go to battle on a fair playing field and if then they can t compete at least we tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etrade18 View Post
    Palm is going into battle on a battlefield not on a fair playing field. If you are a happy customer and a fan we need to take the "viral" thread to another extreme!!! This is a joke. I ask everyone customers and fans, lets get this viral thread that neville created going and make this happen!!! Palm is going against the competition without a fair battle. We can help and tonight as well as the dates provided by the neville thread put on the PALM "jeresey" and spread the word ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I'm a happy Pre owner and advocate....but to say that the issues with Pre sales are "unfair" is rather silly. Mistakes were made by Palm, and the Pre got a reputation (with some reason, though perhaps overblown) for build quality issues, for having an initially pretty anemic app catalog, and for incredibly poor judgment in marketing.

    The reality is that Android (and the Droid in particular) has captured a great deal of mindshare for reasons that have nothing to do with Palm. They've put out a pretty nice OS, and some very well-designed hardware.
    Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy

    Treo600 --> Treo650-->PPC6700-->Treo700P-->Treo755P-->Treo800W --> Touch Pro-->Palm Pre --> EVO 4G
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I'm a happy Pre owner and advocate....but to say that the issues with Pre sales are "unfair" is rather silly. Mistakes were made by Palm, and the Pre got a reputation (with some reason, though perhaps overblown) for build quality issues, for having an initially pretty anemic app catalog, and for incredibly poor judgment in marketing.

    The reality is that Android (and the Droid in particular) has captured a great deal of mindshare for reasons that have nothing to do with Palm. They've put out a pretty nice OS, and some very well-designed hardware.
    Dude we can change the mindset and promote.....The once interested customers that were dettered because of lack of apps can be once again intrigued if we reach out to them!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I'm a happy Pre owner and advocate....but to say that the issues with Pre sales are "unfair" is rather silly. Mistakes were made by Palm, and the Pre got a reputation (with some reason, though perhaps overblown) for build quality issues, for having an initially pretty anemic app catalog, and for incredibly poor judgment in marketing.

    The reality is that Android (and the Droid in particular) has captured a great deal of mindshare for reasons that have nothing to do with Palm. They've put out a pretty nice OS, and some very well-designed hardware.
    I don't believe that it was any particular issue with the Pre that caused Verizon to side with the Droid. I think it's precisely as Ruby said: the Droid was first, it was the first decent smartphone that Verizon could sell, and so that's the bandwagon they jumped on.

    The more I research Android, the more I learn about its inherent weaknesses. I swear, if Google weren't giving it away, I think it would be a bigger flop than Windows Mobile has been in the last couple of years. Android is a ridiculously fractured and limited kludge of a mobile OS. But, it's Google, so it gets the buzz, and again it was on Verizon first.

    I used to defend the decision to go with Sprint for the Pre's launch. I'm not sure I agree with that position any longer. I think things would be very different if the Pre had been launched on Verizon. It's a bit depressing, because things really are looking grim for Palm--and there's literally no other smartphone I'd want to buy to replace my Pre.
    Treo 600 > Treo 650 > HTC Mogul (*****!) > HTC Touch Pro (***** squared!) > PRE! > Epic
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    Well we can do something about it. I have convinced now 6 people to get the palm pre!!!!
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    Palm needs a serious ad..not a play add look at the pretty phone, but a kickass AD
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    Quote Originally Posted by imop45 View Post
    Palm needs a serious ad..not a play add look at the pretty phone, but a kickass AD
    I was looking at something pretty in the last ad, but I don't recall seeing a phone.
    Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy

    Treo600 --> Treo650-->PPC6700-->Treo700P-->Treo755P-->Treo800W --> Touch Pro-->Palm Pre --> EVO 4G
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    Have to pretty much agree entirely with what wynand said, though I've thought Android has had some major weaknesses for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I'm a happy Pre owner and advocate....but to say that the issues with Pre sales are "unfair" is rather silly. Mistakes were made by Palm, and the Pre got a reputation (with some reason, though perhaps overblown) for build quality issues, for having an initially pretty anemic app catalog, and for incredibly poor judgment in marketing.

    The reality is that Android (and the Droid in particular) has captured a great deal of mindshare for reasons that have nothing to do with Palm. They've put out a pretty nice OS, and some very well-designed hardware.
    In my opinion, webOS is the best smartphone OS out there. However, Palm is too small a company now to fight the marketing and developer-attracting muscle of Google and the others. I am not at all impressed with the Droid from a hardware or software perspective, but Google and Verizon threw their considerable strength behind the effort to convince the public that the Droid is something wonderful. Palm simply can't push nearly as hard to steer the sheeple in the right direction, especially after Verizon totally screwed them over.

    First Verizon stole Sprint's thunder by claiming they would be getting the Pre soon after launch, convincing people not to jump ship to Sprint to get a Pre because they could just wait for it to get to Verizon. Then when it finally did get there, Verizon decided it didn't really care anymore and coerced and cajoled its customers to buy a Droid instead!

    I think it's hilarious that people are/were upset about the number of apps availale for the Pre. Wait, do you mean to tell me that other phone platforms that had a couple years' head start and an order of magnitude more cash behind them have more apps than a brand new smartphone platform from a small company?! No WAY!!

    I do hope Palm survives these growing pains. webOS is so awesome, I really don't want to use anything else. At least not for the next few years, anyway. I can only imagine that Ruby et. al. are working on some big-screened hardware that will satisfy those who prefer to have a brick tearing through their pocket. I hope that the new hardware will keep Palm afloat but that they will continue to produce phones with the Pre's type of form factor. I like my phone small and sleek!
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    It has really been hard to get friends to switch. First, the Pre was only on Sprint and I don't know anybody on Sprint. By the time webOS hit Verizon there was already questions about Palm's long-term viability. In the mean time about half of the people I know have switched to the iPhone and are happy with that decision. Those folks are now out selling their friends on the iPhone. It is tough out there.

    I feel like I've done my part. I've purchased a Pre and a Pixi Plus -- changing networks both times. I've gotten a couple of TouchStones and other Palm branded accessories as well. I also try to buy as many applications as I can to support webOS.

    I will continue doing what I can to support webOS with my own money, but I don't think I can get many friends to switch at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etrade18 View Post
    Dude we can change the mindset and promote.....The once interested customers that were dettered because of lack of apps can be once again intrigued if we reach out to them!!!!
    You're never going to convert the masses that buy "the best" phone simply because it's expensive, only to find out that it's more complex than the old EnV they came off of, not as popular as the iPhone (if they even get past that hurdle), and doesn't have a million games already. Short term attention span swayed by popular peer pressure. Look at all the folks buying either the cheapest laptop thinking it'll play the hottest games at full throttle, or the people buying powerhouse laptops then returning them because the battery lasts an hour, if that. Get a desktop for that stuff, kiddos.

    Palm always has been, and always will be, the underdog. On the plus side, I've seen statistically just as many Droids replaced, tons of people switching from Blackberries that aren't multimedia powerhouses, et al. Go troll through Craigslist or eBay and see all the negative comments on the popular players. Realistically, Palm is doing fine, there's an average 10% return rate on Pre/Pixi phones, which is pretty darn good when you find out that a good chunk of those returns were by people who were either overwhelmed by the product, or just couldn't figure it out, even though its blindingly simple.
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    Before thie discussion goes any farther, you need to confirm that you have posted a user review on Amazon, CNET, and your carrier's website. At least those three.

    Once you have conformed that, you can continue.

    THERE ARE STILL LESS THAN 20 reviews of the Verizon Pre Plus on amazon.com. Wuh?
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    You know, I tried posting a very good review on Sprint, nice, detailed post detailing pros and cons (yeah, I do point out things that may not bother me, but readers might need to know), and I kept getting rejected for "improper language"............probably because I had two other phone names in there that Sprint doesn't sell. I gave up.

    Amazon, I wouldn't put a review on, I didn't buy anything through them. CNET........I'll get to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I was looking at something pretty in the last ad, but I don't recall seeing a phone.
    my point exactly
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    people are acting like someone is going to come to their homes and take their phones if Palm doesn't make it through this.

    just use the phone and enjoy it.

    when your contract is up in 2 years, everything will be figured ouut for you and hopefully you'll be in a better place in your life and this won't seem so important to you.
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    Marketing nowadays is what makes the product..

    People want youth and coolness and kahpoh. The Pre is simple, the pre is a classic tuxedo black. It has a kickass multitasking system metaphored by a serious pocker game in a hot casino with studs in sunglasses, ladies in thin sleek red dresses, drinking Bacardi 501 (and for the ladies, margarita's.) Then it has the wisedom of the company that practically invented PDA's and the clamness of a pebble. It has the curves of a sleek black Porche 911 but the practicality of a Minivan. The smoothness of a Fine Cigar, and the ruggedness of a Semitruck.

    It's for the working man, The mom, the football star, and the business woman. It works hard, it plays hard, always there and always connected.

    It connects all facets of your life, b/c it knows every second of your life should be spent on living it.
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    Point is, you can sell a brick if you market it correctly
    Last edited by imop45; 03/19/2010 at 01:09 AM. Reason: double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by wynand32 View Post

    I used to defend the decision to go with Sprint for the Pre's launch. I'm not sure I agree with that position any longer. I think things would be very different if the Pre had been launched on Verizon. It's a bit depressing, because things really are looking grim for Palm--and there's literally no other smartphone I'd want to buy to replace my Pre.
    The problem wasn't Sprint. If Palm had tried the same approach with verizon, the results would've been the same. What i mean is quiet launch, bizarre commercials, little help from verizon, etc.

    Understand that Verizon was pushing an anti-apple/at&t campaign at the same time. Droid was its champion. Cool effective commercials were made. When you have a fight, people take sides. Verizon employees embraced the Droid.

    Besides, obviously if Palm could have launched on Verizon first, they would have. Right? I doubt Verizon wanted any part of it or didn't offer to do carry the Pre or invest in marketing as sprint did. It was only after all the hype palm got after CES did verizon say we'll have it later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    The problem wasn't Sprint. If Palm had tried the same approach with verizon, the results would've been the same. What i mean is quiet launch, bizarre commercials, little help from verizon, etc.

    Understand that Verizon was pushing an anti-apple/at&t campaign at the same time. Droid was its champion. Cool effective commercials were made. When you have a fight, people take sides. Verizon employees embraced the Droid.

    Besides, obviously if Palm could have launched on Verizon first, they would have. Right? I doubt Verizon wanted any part of it or didn't offer to do carry the Pre or invest in marketing as sprint did. It was only after all the hype palm got after CES did verizon say we'll have it later.
    Sprint did not market it well too. Compare to the Samsung Instinck ads directly comparing iPhone , Pre ads were lame. They sold a boatload of Instincts for mainstream folks. My take is its form factor. Now that we all know that WebOS is the best OS , it just needs an acceptable form factor for mainstream folks. Then the phone sells itself.
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    No matter how much you try to gift-wrap POS hardware, people will still be able to smell it.
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