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  1. RafRol's Avatar
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    Interesting article overall, but I take whatever an analyst says with a grain of salt...

    Just a snippet of the article:

    "The easiest one to write off is Palm. They're just so small in terms of overall market share," says In-Stat analyst Allen Nogee. "Unless they really see phenomenal growth coming out of Europe, and their expansion with Verizon and AT&T, it's going to be very challenging for them in the long run."

    So, anyone agree? Disagree?
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    I've probably should have posted this thread under Palm General Chat... sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RafRol View Post
    Interesting article overall, but I take whatever an analyst says with a grain of salt...

    Just a snippet of the article:

    "The easiest one to write off is Palm. They're just so small in terms of overall market share," says In-Stat analyst Allen Nogee. "Unless they really see phenomenal growth coming out of Europe, and their expansion with Verizon and AT&T, it's going to be very challenging for them in the long run."

    So, anyone agree? Disagree?
    I think there are enough qualifiers in there to:
    • Let the author say "see, I was right" regardless of what happens
    • Make the prediction pretty meaningless

    What constitutes "phenominal"? If that fails, exactly what does it mean that "it's going to be challenging"? I suspect the execs at Palm already think it's challenging...
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    Well it really is too bad that owning the fruit phone is like a status symbol, and that many people just love their DOS phone...uhuumm...I mean Blackberrys and won't venture out to the current world to see that life exists past there boring, outdated, slow and crappy browser blackberrys. Android users...well, I guess I can't have too much beef with you, I just find Android a royal clusterf*** (self censored ) of devices and versions. It's the shere amount of available phones on every carrier with lots of form factors that make Android so popular. The financial muscle that is Skynet...uh...I mean Google behind the whole thing obviously helps too. But lets not forget how long it took for Android to get off the ground, something that Palm was much more successful at, at least in my eyes.

    I used to envy the fruit phone, I really did, but currently, besides the slightly smaller screen and not quite so smooth running UI, the iPHone has nothing on the Pre.

    As mentioned many times before, if only Palm had better marketing! Now that we get the fancy games to, why not put those in the commericals! Go all out, do a Pre vs iPhone commercial, Sprint did it with that piece of crap Instinct which didn't stand a chance, but in the Pre Sprint and Verizon now do have a formidable opponent. Verizon spent all that money in a direct ad attack against the iPhone with the Droid, and while it is a good phone, at the time of airing, there were just too many things the Droid didn't do yet!

    I show my phone to anyone that will listen, I get lots of positive comments, people would love it and buy more of them if only Palm and its partners were better at getting the word out!!
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    I'm not too worried for Palm anymore. From where I'm sitting they've spent the last year doing a phenomenal job of building themselves a very solid base to work from in the future. Once they bring out some more devices and people realize that WebOS is a standard rather than a novelty I think they can only see a steady rise in marketshare. There will always be a ceiling for a group like Palm because Android, BlackBerry and iPhone will hold the top spots (that's just the way it is). But Maemo, WinMo, Symbian and whatever horrific OS Samsung are using at the moment will probably be overshadowed by WebOS in the long term.

    This is just my opinion of course, I'm no analyst. It really all depends on how Palm play the next year. They need to get it right - more form factors to cater for different types of consumer and increased hardware quality to improve their reputation.

    I'm not really worried though - after this first year the 'new' Palm looks like it's under excellent management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SqyArc View Post
    They need to get it right - more form factors to cater for different types of consumer and increased hardware quality to improve their reputation.

    Don't forget more carriers ... worldwide (and an unlocked GSM phone should be on their radar I hope).
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    the article is pretty generic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RafRol View Post
    Don't forget more carriers ... worldwide (and an unlocked GSM phone should be on their radar I hope).
    yep thats correct.
    If they do these "simple steps" then its alright, however the need to step up and move faster. The competition isnt going to wait afterall.

    The only thing i'm worried about is the built quality, that after all is the "first impression" for most. If they get a bad handset, ppl will just take it back and get something else.........

    Also ruby ruby ruby ruby* (Rubinstein) needs to get the team to work faster, bring more important updates quicker, harder, better, stronger**

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratchetjaw View Post
    If they would just release a bigger pixi with pre guts and screen or bigger they would dominate the business market.
    No, they wouldn't. Not without significant improvements to PIM apps. Like it or not, the Centro is still a better PDA than the Pre or Pixi. When it comes to business support, about the only thing that webOS clearly outclasses PalmOS in is the ability to play really cool games and surf the web during boring meetings.
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    Palm will need to keep the momentum, with updates and at some point updated hardware. I still see them in the running.

    Microsoft has just shown off Windows Phone 7, and while I wouldn't switch to it, and it won't be out till near the end of the year, I think it will get them back in the running. So the field is still a bit crowded. I don't consider this a bad thing, though, especially because many of these devices are designed to lock you into other services (e.g. iPhone with iTunes; Windows Phone 7 with Xbox, Outlook and Windows; Android with Gmail and Google Apps).

    Of course Palm could also really shake things up by getting acquired by Nokia or Intel...
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    A lot of these so called market genuises predicted last year that Palm might not make it to 2010. It's just one person's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
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    Does it say if 1.4 is coming out today?
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    Palm may never regain its #1 spot. But I don't see them failing any time soon. Their only mistake was the exclusive deal with Sprint.

    Unfortunately the cutthroat cell phone market game is dominated by the titans with their long term contracts and ransoms, and restricted phones (the latter of which should be illegal).
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    Quote Originally Posted by doublebullout View Post
    No, they wouldn't. Not without significant improvements to PIM apps. Like it or not, the Centro is still a better PDA than the Pre or Pixi. When it comes to business support, about the only thing that webOS clearly outclasses PalmOS in is the ability to play really cool games and surf the web during boring meetings.
    I agree that webOS doesn't provide the sheer PIM power of PalmOS. But, I also don't think that webOS has to go all the way to become usable. Add syncing of tasks to (at least) Google and the ability to set specific reminders (and, to snooze reminders for specific amounts of time), and tasks would work just fine for me. And for me, all the calendar needs is a unified agenda view.

    None of this would be hard for Palm to add to webOS, and I think this would suffice for many people. I know it would work fine for me.
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    Some see it differently, depends on what research they have done or if they are just pulling it out of their A.$$.
    February 12, 2010 7:28 AM EST

    StreetInsider.com - Deutsche Bank Maintains a 'Buy' Rating on Palm Inc (PALM); Modest Demand at Verizon (VZ), but Trends Improving

    Deutsche Bank maintains a 'Buy' rating on Palm Inc (Nasdaq: PALM), price target $20.
    Deutsche analyst says, "We have conducted a phone survey of 210 Verizon (NYSE: VZ) outlets in 38 states to gauge Palm and smartphone trends. We have found that Verizon has yet to fully engage in promoting Palm products, however we did see a clear improvement as the survey progressed, indicative of ongoing training efforts. While we continue to see the near-term outlook as volatile for the stock, we maintain our Buy rating on our view that with time the value of webOS will become more apparent...We also found that Palm is closing on Blackberry (Nasdaq: RIMM) for most preferred which came in at 17%."

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