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    #81  
    Quote Originally Posted by MilenkoD View Post
    The Pre needed to sell about 1 million by years-end. 1m Pres roughly = Apple's sell through when you compare their market caps.
    I think they're past 1m by now. But if you compare by market caps, shouldn't you take all other Apple products into consideration vs. Palm with no other products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruba View Post
    I think they're past 1m by now. But if you compare by market caps, shouldn't you take all other Apple products into consideration vs. Palm with no other products?
    We're talking about resources and the money to fund them...so "yes", you can take Apple's market cap as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idontwan2know View Post
    People on this forum don't get it.

    Palm doesn't need to sell more phones than Apple, or Motorola, or Samsung, or Nokia.
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    One small correction - Some People on this forum don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackmagic01 View Post
    my prediction is that by the end of July. Apple will have a new iphone, with new and expanded hardware, better camera, more storage, and a new iphone os with multitasking and better notifications and becoming available on all U.S. networks. Pre will have same hardware, and 1.3.4 or 1.4.

    I think palm i just behind.
    I don't agree with everything you said, but I do agree with the 'red.' Apple sees this and the cat and mouse between the two companies will continue with Apple biting a few of the cooler features of the Pre. I just hope that the Pre 2 is out by then with better hardware and a much improved OS experience. That should mitigate some of the 'damage' Apple can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idontwan2know View Post
    People on this forum don't get it.

    Palm doesn't need to sell more phones than Apple, or Motorola, or Samsung, or Nokia. They have a tiny percentage of the overhead those companies have. They need to sell enough phones to A) stay in business B) eventually turn a profit and C) fund expansion/development so that eventually they can start to compete for bigger market share.

    Right now Palm is doing A, with hopes that the Pixi and whatever device succeeds the Pre will achieve B by the end of next year.
    That's obvious that Palm doesn't need to sell more than Apple. The concern though is decreasing sales that Palm just reported in light of being on more carriers and a price cut as well as other smartphones increasing sales.

    With more than 70% of sales coming from the US..and Verizon figures to increase that...focus at home.
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    of course if you put the pre's sale next to say, an iphone ! Their going to look real weak. I'm sure palm. Isn't aiming that high at all, no where close because its damn near impossible. I don't understand why everyones so freaked out about numbers, they will come with different carriers. Not iphone numbers but for palm a few mill. Would be awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    That's obvious that Palm doesn't need to sell more than Apple. The concern though is decreasing sales that Palm just reported in light of being on more carriers and a price cut as well as other smartphones increasing sales.

    With more than 70% of sales coming from the US..and Verizon figures to increase that...focus at home.
    You sort of pegged it with your last comment.

    Yes, Palm came into new markets, but none of those markets were as big as the US market.

    So, Palm introduces in June to one carrier in the US, and has a massive surge in sales (of course it's relatively massive, since they weren't sold at all before that). The vast majority of those waiting on the Pre bought it that first quarter it was introducs, and Palm sells a reasonable number of them. Let's say about 600k.

    Would it be surprising then, if their US sales then dropped, since most of the early adopters rushed out and got them immediately?

    And if so, would it be surprising if the next quarter, US sales dropped to around 200k and new markets (Canada and Europe) only weighed in around 300-400k?

    I don't see that type of drop in sales as a major problem.

    I do think next year is going to be interesting to watch.
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    I agree that it's not great that Pre sales dropped off so precipitously after the first few months, though some drop off is hardly unexpected for a device that generated the level of buzz the Pre did. This precisely why I hope Palm doesn't rush their next device.

    They've shown the promise of the OS with the Pre, but their next phone has to be the one that delivers on that promise with a fully matured product with, among other things, a robust app store, and full hardware utilization by both the OS and the SDK. I think they're well-positioned to bring such a phone to market in the second half of 2010, though probably later in that time frame...maybe just before the holidays like the Droid launch this year.
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    I'm just having a helluva laugh watching everyone posit and groan. Absolutely amazing!
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    This should be at the very top of the Forum and updated everyday. Great post.

    Quote Originally Posted by playboy View Post
    I'll spot you 20 'Goodbye Palm' threads;

    10 'Palm still hasn't expanded access through the SDK and the GPU and as a result Palm is behind and I'm leaving threads;

    2 1.3.5 threads concerning the fact that it does not allow for sending 100 or more mass/spam txts therefore I'm leaving threads;

    3 Palm didn't announce a 3.7 inch OLED 1G Snapdragon processor 12 megapixel camera with 1080p video recording along with two HDMI ports SDHC port along with 64g of onboard memory phone thread and therefore Palm will fail and I'm leaving threads;

    1 Palm didn't introduce a new form factor yet chose to partner with Verizon therefore they're not going in the right direction thread;

    and 8 threads about how the Pre + for Verizon is the same old hardware and therefore people will be dissappointed in the problems the Pre has and therefore Palm will make themselves look foolish threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    There are two major screen sizes for Android: 3.2 and 3.7-inch.

    The baseline with the first generation was 3.2-inches. Google is resetting it at 3.7 with the Droid and Nexus One for 2.1 and beyond. But the corrections to run at that resolution properly will come on top of what's already there, not erase it.

    Most major Android phones will be at 2.1 in the next 6 months. Android 2.0 will be the new developer baseline the same way 1.5 is now. The incremental 2.1-type implementations won't be much of a factor.
    mikah,
    you missed SONYERICSSON's Rachel aka Xperia X10

    Sony Ericsson - Products - Mobile phones - Overview - Xperia™ X10

    Which has a 4 inch screen.
    Plus its got SONY's "Timescape" skin on top of stock Android.
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    developers were also invited to a different CES event...
    Why wait for "official" updates, when you can roll your own
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    Quote Originally Posted by hparsons View Post
    You sort of pegged it with your last comment.

    Yes, Palm came into new markets, but none of those markets were as big as the US market.

    So, Palm introduces in June to one carrier in the US, and has a massive surge in sales (of course it's relatively massive, since they weren't sold at all before that). The vast majority of those waiting on the Pre bought it that first quarter it was introducs, and Palm sells a reasonable number of them. Let's say about 600k.

    Would it be surprising then, if their US sales then dropped, since most of the early adopters rushed out and got them immediately?

    And if so, would it be surprising if the next quarter, US sales dropped to around 200k and new markets (Canada and Europe) only weighed in around 300-400k?

    I don't see that type of drop in sales as a major problem.

    I do think next year is going to be interesting to watch.
    Exactly. The numbers settled in after the initial rush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THAANSA3 View Post
    I don't agree with everything you said, but I do agree with the 'red.' Apple sees this and the cat and mouse between the two companies will continue with Apple biting a few of the cooler features of the Pre. I just hope that the Pre 2 is out by then with better hardware and a much improved OS experience. That should mitigate some of the 'damage' Apple can do.
    I simply don't think there's anything that Palm can do to mitigate anything that Apple does. If I had the time, I'd love to write a book about the marketing juggernaut that Apple has become, at least in the iPod/iPhone space. Palm could come out with a device that works better than Viagra and they'd still not make a dent against the iPhone, and I think that pretty much goes for everyone else, including Android.

    In fact, and this is off-topic, I'm really getting to the point of seriously disliking Apple. Maybe even despising them. When they come out with their new "tablet" device, Apple will tout it as the first touch-screen computer, in spite of the fact that I'm using my Dell Latitude XT with multi-touch capacitive screen as I write this. And, they'll get away with it. It'll be severely limited functionally but really cool with smooth animations, and it'll take over the e-book reader market in spite of the fact that it won't have an e-ink screen--thus relegating another superior product to niche status.

    Can't stand 'em. Really can't. The good thing is, however, that Palm doesn't have to "beat" Apple to survive. They don't even have to beat RIM, or Android. They just need to generate enough revenues to turn a profit and sell enough units to attract developers. So far, I think they're doing okay, but I have to admit to some trepidation moving forward.
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    Look at it this way... Why despise Apple when they pretty much failed at getting computer marketshare, so they carve themselves a niche in portable music and entertainment. Thats alright.
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    The dropoff in sales can be spun lots of different ways. I'm more concerned with the dropoff in mindshare, but am cautiously optimistic about that they have something interesting in the works for CES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    The dropoff in sales can be spun lots of different ways. I'm more concerned with the dropoff in mindshare, but am cautiously optimistic about that they have something interesting in the works for CES.
    I'm with you on the mindshare factor b/c that is key. Palm needs to run commercials that have catchy toons and a guy with a soft voice doing the voice-over while someone flicks away on the Pre's/Pixi's screen. Just keep running the commercial every other day and that'll help.

    A pasty looking lady holding a phone and the bottom half of her body cut off really does nothing to create mindshare. It scared people. But the CEO did say that they're going to come with a new round of advertising so I'm hopeful that those commercials will be better able to capture mindshare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wynand32 View Post
    I simply don't think there's anything that Palm can do to mitigate anything that Apple does. If I had the time, I'd love to write a book about the marketing juggernaut that Apple has become, at least in the iPod/iPhone space. Palm could come out with a device that works better than Viagra and they'd still not make a dent against the iPhone, and I think that pretty much goes for everyone else, including Android.

    In fact, and this is off-topic, I'm really getting to the point of seriously disliking Apple. Maybe even despising them. When they come out with their new "tablet" device, Apple will tout it as the first touch-screen computer, in spite of the fact that I'm using my Dell Latitude XT with multi-touch capacitive screen as I write this. And, they'll get away with it. It'll be severely limited functionally but really cool with smooth animations, and it'll take over the e-book reader market in spite of the fact that it won't have an e-ink screen--thus relegating another superior product to niche status.

    Can't stand 'em. Really can't. The good thing is, however, that Palm doesn't have to "beat" Apple to survive. They don't even have to beat RIM, or Android. They just need to generate enough revenues to turn a profit and sell enough units to attract developers. So far, I think they're doing okay, but I have to admit to some trepidation moving forward.
    Wow, you wrote for me on this one.
    I agree with every point in your post.
    The lack of marketing is the sole factor for the lackluster Pre sales.
    The other day I met a friend who bought the HTC HERO. When I inquired about why he didn't buy the Pre. He said he does like PALM OS, then he said Pre doesn't have Navigation. I have to explain to him that PALM OS is old and WebOS is new, then show him the Pre's navigation APP. He said the SPRINT store people didn't even tell them that. SPRINT and PALM dropped ball on marketing. PALM is short on money and they blew it on that vampire lady commercials. For SPRINT, they thought the product sells itself, if not they always have other phones to sell BB , HERO ... and such.
    Overall its a shame on SPRINT part for not training their staff to sell this thing.
    I hope PALM's big announcement will include ATT ( apart from Verizon).
    And I wish them good luck with their upgrades and handsets.

    Its not about how good your product is , its about people thinking how good your product is. The only way to change the mindset of folks is to go after the iPhone by showing some of the cool features.
    Of course iPhone is better on many features but still misses many.
    Simple put , no phone covers all the features.
    So in the real world folks have no time to research and buy phones based on the features. All you have to do is show them some key features that they are going to like. The rest is easy , they buy it , and discover what an awesome productivity machine this Pre is.

    Forget iPhone, this phone crushes BB on many features yet it is lagging behind , way behind Pre.


    IMHO , as time passes by , even APPLE might find it tough to sell the newer iPhones compared to the original way back in 2007.
    The original iPhone was a once in a century product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by playboy View Post
    I'm with you on the mindshare factor b/c that is key. Palm needs to run commercials that have catchy toons and a guy with a soft voice doing the voice-over while someone flicks away on the Pre's/Pixi's screen. Just keep running the commercial every other day and that'll help.

    A pasty looking lady holding a phone and the bottom half of her body cut off really does nothing to create mindshare. It scared people. But the CEO did say that they're going to come with a new round of advertising so I'm hopeful that those commercials will be better able to capture mindshare.
    PALM needs to tell people that folks can browse internets plus the phone has a GPS.
    Trust me , I met few folks who doesn't know that the Pre has GPS ( I knew some folks who didn't know about the ringer off switch is another story ).
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    1.3.5 MUST have video recording apart from the speed and such.
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