GPU support and much more - Page 14

windzilla · 12/01/2009, 01:31 PM

so then, in effect dudestatus you can start terminal from within webOS, keep luna running seperate, and play a game with GPU support?

would it then be possible to have an automated link/script that would let someone launch the terminal app without all the typing and apt getting sudo-makemea samwich wizardry.

if so, what would theoretically prevent a palm from getting need for speed working with the help of EA games?
or, even if not, what would stop the demo we saw (having not been seen launching) from being possible at this stage?

hparsons · 12/01/2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by windzilla

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what would stop the demo we saw (having not been seen launching) from being possible at this stage?

My thoughts exactly...

Elysian893 · 12/01/2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by windzilla

so then, in effect dudestatus you can start terminal from within webOS, keep luna running seperate, and play a game with GPU support?

would it then be possible to have an automated link/script that would let someone launch the terminal app without all the typing and apt getting sudo-makemea samwich wizardry.

if so, what would theoretically prevent a palm from getting need for speed working with the help of EA games?
or, even if not, what would stop the demo we saw (having not been seen launching) from being possible at this stage?

So why would EA mickey mouse a solution like this, instead of waiting for official support? DirectFB to run a cell phone game from a major company? That's more of a stretch than this game even being on the Pre. It amazes me how far people will reach to support their position when there is plain evidence this isn't real. Go ahead and call me biased hparsons, you're not even making any sense at this point.

hparsons · 12/01/2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Elysian893

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Go ahead and call me biased hparsons, you're not even making any sense at this point.

(psssstttt, it wasn't me you were responding to, it was someone else that "wasn't even making any sense at this point."

I think maybe you're getting just a bit wrapped up in this one. I blame Palm for messing up your Pres. Looks like it sent you over the edge...
)

jayvan · 12/01/2009, 04:37 PM

I could be wrong, but I don't think directfb is using the gpu. I think it's still using the cpu since fceux still runs pretty slowly full screen. I'm pretty sure we still need a native linux driver to access the gpu.

Elysian893 · 12/01/2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jayvan

I could be wrong, but I don't think directfb is using the gpu. I think it's still using the cpu since fceux still runs pretty slowly full screen. I'm pretty sure we still need a native linux driver to access the gpu.

Indeed. And if you can't run a NES EMU smoothly in DirectFB, what makes one think it'd run a fully 3d game smoothly?

jhoff80 · 12/01/2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jayvan

I could be wrong, but I don't think directfb is using the gpu. I think it's still using the cpu since fceux still runs pretty slowly full screen. I'm pretty sure we still need a native linux driver to access the gpu.

Haven't actually tried it myself, so it's fully possibly you could be correct, I was just going by what I'd read.

jayvan · 12/01/2009, 07:03 PM

This seems to indicate that directfb on the pre is using software only and no hardware-acceleration: elinux.org/User_Interfaces#DirectFB

"While this is an excellent project, the number of hardware-accelerated devices supported are small and does not include any CPUs you'd find on a phone."

Either way I'm excited because it seems the door may be opening to running more native apps. If we can launch an emu through the terminal app running alongside luna, then I don't see why NFS wouldn't be possible. Palm may already have an early GPU driver for testing that would allow a native NFS game to run with Luna and take advantage of hardware-acceleration.

Also, the terminal app allows us to manually enter back-end commands. So wouldn't it be possible to create an app that allows back-end access just like terminal, but simply runs a script to automatically start the native app instead of allowing for user input?

s219 · 12/02/2009, 10:13 AM

I reiterate my earlier thoughts that NFS is a C/C++ OpenGL ES game, and the GPU has an OpenGL ES interface. So if this is real, it has to be a native app with proper compiler support and OpenGL ES libraries to link against. The driver needs to be in place to give the libraries access to the GPU hardware. That's a fairly strict pathway to make it all happen. I don't see EA totally re-writing the game to use some other approach; it would not make sense. So either this is the whole enchilada, or it's a hoax. There is not a technically feasible/reasonable alternative solution that I can see EA pursuing.

jbg7474 · 12/02/2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by s219

I reiterate my earlier thoughts that NFS is a C/C++ OpenGL ES game, and the GPU has an OpenGL ES interface. So if this is real, it has to be a native app with proper compiler support and OpenGL ES libraries to link against. The driver needs to be in place to give the libraries access to the GPU hardware. That's a fairly strict pathway to make it all happen. I don't see EA totally re-writing the game to use some other approach; it would not make sense. So either this is the whole enchilada, or it's a hoax. There is not a technically feasible/reasonable alternative solution that I can see EA pursuing.

That appears to be some pretty sound reasoning.

krische · 12/28/2009, 09:43 PM

Oh **** son. Has anyone noticed the new app catalog in WebOS 1.3.5?

Here is a screenshot provided by casperstar of Need for Speed.

Here is a screenshot I just took from 1.3.5

Looks exactly the same to me. Anyone still want to doubt casperstar?

Kev1000000 · 12/28/2009, 09:46 PM

Holy crap, nice find!

dsei · 12/28/2009, 09:50 PM

I believe!!

ChaosMarine03 · 12/28/2009, 09:51 PM

looks like our little friend casperstar was legit...

krische · 12/28/2009, 09:52 PM

I'm guessing Palm has some surprises in store for us at CES

Slayix312 · 12/28/2009, 09:53 PM

Yeah this definetly makes me more excited about CES.

krische · 12/28/2009, 09:55 PM

This might be a shot out in left field. But it was announced by Epic that they would be releasing Unreal Engine 3 on "another mobile device."

Palm has been hiring some big time graphics driver developers formerly from ATI/AMD. I would guess they are taking this GPU thing seriously.

draztikrhymez · 12/28/2009, 09:56 PM

haha awesome!

dsei · 12/28/2009, 09:59 PM

I really think GPU will be the highlight of CES now. Palm has to keep up with the Johnson's (Apple). What are they missing compared to the iPhone? Apps and speed. Ares was one step towards more apps and I believe GPU access will help both.

R_E · 12/28/2009, 10:11 PM

going for a holy shiznit awesome for the non hoax exidence

12/01/2009, 01:31 PM	#261 (permalink)
windzilla Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Woo, MA Posts: 1,438 Likes: 3 Thanks: 287 Thanked 464 Times in 250 Posts	so then, in effect dudestatus you can start terminal from within webOS, keep luna running seperate, and play a game with GPU support? would it then be possible to have an automated link/script that would let someone launch the terminal app without all the typing and apt getting sudo-makemea samwich wizardry. if so, what would theoretically prevent a palm from getting need for speed working with the help of EA games? or, even if not, what would stop the demo we saw (having not been seen launching) from being possible at this stage?
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12/01/2009, 04:37 PM	#265 (permalink)
jayvan Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	I could be wrong, but I don't think directfb is using the gpu. I think it's still using the cpu since fceux still runs pretty slowly full screen. I'm pretty sure we still need a native linux driver to access the gpu.
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12/01/2009, 07:03 PM	#268 (permalink)
jayvan Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	This seems to indicate that directfb on the pre is using software only and no hardware-acceleration: elinux.org/User_Interfaces#DirectFB "While this is an excellent project, the number of hardware-accelerated devices supported are small and does not include any CPUs you'd find on a phone." Either way I'm excited because it seems the door may be opening to running more native apps. If we can launch an emu through the terminal app running alongside luna, then I don't see why NFS wouldn't be possible. Palm may already have an early GPU driver for testing that would allow a native NFS game to run with Luna and take advantage of hardware-acceleration. Also, the terminal app allows us to manually enter back-end commands. So wouldn't it be possible to create an app that allows back-end access just like terminal, but simply runs a script to automatically start the native app instead of allowing for user input?
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12/02/2009, 10:13 AM	#269 (permalink)
s219 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 498 Likes: 1 Thanks: 3 Thanked 94 Times in 71 Posts	I reiterate my earlier thoughts that NFS is a C/C++ OpenGL ES game, and the GPU has an OpenGL ES interface. So if this is real, it has to be a native app with proper compiler support and OpenGL ES libraries to link against. The driver needs to be in place to give the libraries access to the GPU hardware. That's a fairly strict pathway to make it all happen. I don't see EA totally re-writing the game to use some other approach; it would not make sense. So either this is the whole enchilada, or it's a hoax. There is not a technically feasible/reasonable alternative solution that I can see EA pursuing.
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12/28/2009, 09:43 PM	#271 (permalink)
krische Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 422 Likes: 0 Thanks: 16 Thanked 119 Times in 55 Posts	Oh **** son. Has anyone noticed the new app catalog in WebOS 1.3.5? Here is a screenshot provided by casperstar of Need for Speed. Here is a screenshot I just took from 1.3.5 Looks exactly the same to me. Anyone still want to doubt casperstar? __________________ Last edited by krische; 12/28/2009 at 09:56 PM.
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12/28/2009, 09:46 PM	#272 (permalink)
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12/28/2009, 09:50 PM	#273 (permalink)
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12/28/2009, 09:51 PM	#274 (permalink)
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12/28/2009, 09:52 PM	#275 (permalink)
krische Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 422 Likes: 0 Thanks: 16 Thanked 119 Times in 55 Posts	I'm guessing Palm has some surprises in store for us at CES __________________
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12/28/2009, 09:53 PM	#276 (permalink)
Slayix312 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NC,IA,IL Posts: 270 Likes: 0 Thanks: 13 Thanked 39 Times in 19 Posts	Yeah this definetly makes me more excited about CES. __________________
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12/28/2009, 09:55 PM	#277 (permalink)
krische Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 422 Likes: 0 Thanks: 16 Thanked 119 Times in 55 Posts	This might be a shot out in left field. But it was announced by Epic that they would be releasing Unreal Engine 3 on "another mobile device." Palm has been hiring some big time graphics driver developers formerly from ATI/AMD. I would guess they are taking this GPU thing seriously. __________________
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12/28/2009, 09:56 PM	#278 (permalink)
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12/28/2009, 09:59 PM	#279 (permalink)
dsei Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 193 Likes: 1 Thanks: 36 Thanked 39 Times in 27 Posts	I really think GPU will be the highlight of CES now. Palm has to keep up with the Johnson's (Apple). What are they missing compared to the iPhone? Apps and speed. Ares was one step towards more apps and I believe GPU access will help both.
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12/28/2009, 10:11 PM	#280 (permalink)
R_E Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 316 Likes: 4 Thanks: 28 Thanked 46 Times in 33 Posts	going for a holy shiznit awesome for the non hoax exidence
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