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    Palm's Ares WebOS tool allows for easy app dev

    Palm will introduce a Web-based development environment for WebOS applications, called Ares, by the end of this year.

    Ares got its first public demonstration on Thursday at the Open Mobile Summit conference in San Francisco. It is designed to make it easy for developers to pull various components together in JavaScript to build applications for the Palm Pre and Pixi, the two handsets that run Palm's WebOS.

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    The storied mobile-device company is up against tough competition for developers against the Apple iPhone, Google Android, Research in Motion BlackBerry, and other mobile platforms. It released the WebOS SDK to a select group in April and to the public in July. The company said the SDK has been downloaded tens of thousands of times.

    Ares will give developers another way to write WebOS applications and will allow fast development through a drag-and-drop interface, Palm said. It's designed to help Web developers make the leap to becoming mobile developers, said Michael Abbott, senior vice president of application software and services at Palm. Ares will be available by year's end through the WebOS developer site [2].

    It won't require any downloads or configuration, Abbott said. The environment includes debugging and a mechanism for developers to share libraries and APIs, Abbott said.

    In a demonstration at the conference, a Palm engineer created a search application for the Flickr Web photo site. Using a simulation of the WebOS phone interface, he dragged logos, a search field and button, a list widget, and other components onto successive screens of the application. To link the new application to Flickr, he used an AJAX request that called a Flickr API.

    Within the phone emulator in Ares, developers can see what the application will look like in both portrait and landscape view. When the application is finished, the developer can package it up, download it to a phone to try it out, share it with friends or submit it to Palm's application catalog.

    Palm is moving cautiously on its application strategy. Developers who got the SDK on its early release in April [3] have been able to put their applications on Palm's app catalog since October, but there are only about 300 applications on it today, compared with about 12,000 for Android and more than 100,000 for the iPhone. Abbott said Palm wants to make sure all the pieces are in place before its full launch at year's end, when all developers will be able to submit their apps. For example, the company doesn't want to launch without all the necessary development tools in place, he said.

    Ares will work on a variety of Web browsers, including Firefox and Safari, though Palm has not worked on making it work on Internet Explorer, Abbott said.
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    When someone comes out with a WYSIWYG dev tool, life will be complete.
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    Did people ask for development to be simpler? I hope this doesn't mean another 100 the same looking, similarly functioning apps..
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    I am personaly excited. tat the least this will make it easier for me to integrate and set up apps! Even if it can't do all the work without coding or is limited, if I can set uo the layouts that makes the job easier for someone else to help. I think this might make way for some more attractive apps, and even some more ideas because people will be able to do some creating without code knowledge. I'm stoked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexalbel View Post
    I am personaly excited. tat the least this will make it easier for me to integrate and set up apps! Even if it can't do all the work without coding or is limited, if I can set uo the layouts that makes the job easier for someone else to help. I think this might make way for some more attractive apps, and even some more ideas because people will be able to do some creating without code knowledge. I'm stoked!
    Agreed. I imagine there are some incredibly creative and inventive folks out there who aren't coders by trade. Making development easier might very well result in some redundancy and poor quality, but then again, making it harder is just as likely to result in the same.

    Indeed, I see no correlation whatsoever between the ease of development and the quality of applications, unless it's an inverse relationship (i.e., the easier the development, the better the app; that wasn't at all clear as originally written).
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    I can see even serious/experienced developers benefitting by being more efficient in developing the UI and being freed from worrying about WebOS program structure. They will be able to devote more time to actually making their application "do it's thing".

    I haven't got a Pre yet and must admit to finding the current SDK enviroment a little daunting. I am really looking forward to Ares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johncc View Post
    I can see even serious/experienced developers benefitting by being more efficient in developing the UI and being freed from worrying about WebOS program structure. They will be able to devote more time to actually making their application "do it's thing".

    I haven't got a Pre yet and must admit to finding the current SDK enviroment a little daunting. I am really looking forward to Ares.
    Excellent. I am really looking forward to revealing Ares to everyone. Be sure to have a Palm dev account.

    Ares will no more contribute to lookalike or store-clogging apps in the catalog than Interface Builder does on the mac. At first, most iPhone applications looked like they were built with default iPhone widgets. After only a month or two developers quickly adapted their own look and feel. What great tools do is give developers what they need to quickly build great apps. Neither Microsoft nor Apple get enough credit for how great their tools are, and how much that has contributed to their platforms' relative success over the last 20 years.

    -Matt
    ('a Palm engineer' referenced in the PC World article about Ares)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpingmatt View Post
    Excellent. I am really looking forward to revealing Ares to everyone. Be sure to have a Palm dev account.

    Ares will no more contribute to lookalike or store-clogging apps in the catalog than Interface Builder does on the mac. At first, most iPhone applications looked like they were built with default iPhone widgets. After only a month or two developers quickly adapted their own look and feel. What great tools do is give developers what they need to quickly build great apps. Neither Microsoft nor Apple get enough credit for how great their tools are, and how much that has contributed to their platforms' relative success over the last 20 years.

    -Matt
    ('a Palm engineer' referenced in the PC World article about Ares)
    Hey Matt, welcome to the forum!

    What's the target market for this tool? Developers who can't or don't want to deal with the normal SDK or is it an extension of the current SDK?

    The presentation can't be found on youtube right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruba View Post
    Hey Matt, welcome to the forum!

    What's the target market for this tool? Developers who can't or don't want to deal with the normal SDK or is it an extension of the current SDK?

    The presentation can't be found on youtube right?
    TY. Unfortunately I am limited in what I can say. You'll have to wait for an official announcement for things like positioning. Our goal is to give developers as many tools as possible, and to reach as broad a range of potential developers as possible, be that through things like Ares, or working with 3rd party tools developers to enable webOS support in their tools.

    -M
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruba View Post
    The presentation can't be found on youtube right?
    Not that I know of. There were cameras there, but I am not sure if it was for archival purposes or whether the video is going to spring up online. There is audio from past open mobile summits, but I don't see video.

    Hopefully it wont be too much longer before we get some information out to you guys. The reaction and spread of the news was somewhat more than anticipated.

    -Matt
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    anymore info on this? Release date? Price to use? Ect. %d really like to test it out, see what it can help me do, and how far I can go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruba View Post
    Did people ask for development to be simpler? I hope this doesn't mean another 100 the same looking, similarly functioning apps..
    But then it will be exactly like the iPhone and everyone will suddenly become happy.
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    I think giving developers the ability to run compiled code (C or Java) would be a lot more useful in their quest to drive application development, a lot more so than giving them multiple avenues to develop the same old handicapped HTML5/JavaScript apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haydur View Post
    I think giving developers the ability to run compiled code (C or Java) would be a lot more useful in their quest to drive application development, a lot more so than giving them multiple avenues to develop the same old handicapped HTML5/JavaScript apps.
    I agree 100%. So far, nobody I know is complaining that it's too hard to write apps. Rather, that we can't do anything sophisticated.
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    I deffinatly agree that there needs to be deeper codeing, but I don't think that this concept really effects if palm supports deeper programing or not. If they are going to add it they will. If they hadn't have made this I don't think there would be deeper programing, I can't see this being the reasoning for not getting deeper support, chances are, they are working on it and making sure they get it right and in the meantime, this will attract non coders with innovation, help make UI designs quicker, and get a bigger dev community and more apps while palm works on getting a deeper support. This is what I think anyway.
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    I think Palm should dump Eclipse and support IntelliJ instead.
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    no info yet?

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