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  1.    #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltcreep View Post
    Ok, so at the risk of someone giving me a hard time, which patch does this?? Longtime homebrewer, infrequent forum visitor.. I use Preware, and can't seem to find it... Maybe I'm dense.
    Here you go:

    http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-...-launcher.html
    Last edited by Bujin; 10/25/2009 at 07:33 AM.
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    well, multitasking in general is really not a new concept... if you use windows then that's how windows is suppose to work too having the convenience of multiple windows up and running at the same time.

    and you may be that type of person that does keep the same windows you work with every day up and never close them, keeping your computer in sleep instead of shutting down to wake the next day and still have those same windows.

    but i am speaking for myself using windows... i have my quicklaunch with my most used apps to be accessable when i need it and i have multiple windows going on when i am working and when i don't need the app running, i shut it down cause... it's not necessary... i use my calendar and calculator all the time too... but i dont need to keep the window up when i have it on my quicklaunch for when i need it. for me, that's how it was designed to work. if you are that same type of person then why need to use cards like some are doing if they dont do it on their PC?

    Quicklaunch is just as helpful as cards when it works but for the OP if you see what he is doing, he is moving his 'most used apps' into cards (let's be honest, because it takes too long too load) and he moves apps into the quicklaunch that he uses often but waiting to load is acceptable over his primary. it works for him... more power to him... but its still a workaround for what the quicklaunch was designed for and a workaround for the OS. And there is a real drawback in that it has to be taking resources to keep multiple cards up and running.

    I have no doubt Palm will (better) address the performance issues and believe in the future it will be faster and it won't be an issue. And I would bet that once it is better, than many will actually not be keeping cards up for calculator or calendar or the phone app in cards when it can be up and running at a moments notice from the quicklaunch.

    Quote Originally Posted by windzilla View Post
    I don't think its a work around I think running multiple apps in cards is how webos is supposed to work.

    not that launching shouldn't be faster, just that this isn't some "fix" as much as a function, and a touted one at that.
    Last edited by donm527; 10/25/2009 at 09:11 AM.
  3.    #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by donm527 View Post

    Quicklaunch is just as helpful as cards when it works but for the OP if you see what he is doing, he is moving his 'most used apps' into cards (let's be honest, because it takes too long too load) and he moves apps into the quicklaunch that he uses often but waiting to load is acceptable over his primary. it works for him... more power to him... but its still a workaround for what the quicklaunch was designed for and a workaround for the OS. And there is a real drawback in that it has to be taking resources to keep multiple cards up and running.
    I sort of agree with you. However, I didn't take them off my quicklaunch because I was dissatisfied with load times (in the grand scheme of things, waiting a second or two isn't a big deal for me), but rather that it's simply more efficient if they're already open. An argument could also be made that opening / closing continually is more of a CPU load then keeping cards open. As I said, it was really inspired by the widgets on the Hero. Instant access is always a good thing.

    So I don't see it as a workaround, as much as maximizing the ability to use WebOS, and have both my most common apps open and also have a separate quicklaunch set of apps - making my work more efficient.

    That being said, I never said it was for everyone, so keep doing what works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeeDubb65 View Post
    Thanks, you have officially made me feel like an *****. :P

    How did I not see this? It's so obvious.

    I've been doing the same thing you were doing before. I never keep more than one or two cards open, and use the quicklaunch for things that I really should just keep open, and then get annoyed when I have to scroll through my launcher to find my flashlight app.

    time to re-arrange my apps.


    Seriously, thanks.
    My 2 cents , do not open launcher for your favorite app,
    slide the keyboard type the name of the app ( just two letters would be suffice), you will notice the app show up on search.

    This is a must have feature in all smart phones.
    The importance of this feature cannot be overstated.
    I give full marks to PALM for doing this search thing,.
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    agreed. if it works well for ya then that's all that matter. to each their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    That being said, I never said it was for everyone, so keep doing what works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbp View Post
    My 2 cents , do not open launcher for your favorite app,
    slide the keyboard type the name of the app ( just two letters would be suffice), you will notice the app show up on search.

    This is a must have feature in all smart phones.
    The importance of this feature cannot be overstated.
    I give full marks to PALM for doing this search thing,.
    That is a terrific feature; however, if you arrange your launcher pages, some items can be opened even quicker than Universal Search. For example, I have 5 pages: (1) most used apps, (2) Internet apps / shortcuts, (3) multimedia, (4) games / lesser used apps, and (5) stuff I never look at.

    I rarely need to use pages 4 or 5 because of Universal Search. But because I have few enough items on the first three pages, I never have to scroll down, and so I can easily open the launcher and swipe sideways to get to most of the apps I use daily.

    Add that strategy to the open cards / quick launch items, and it's a pretty efficient experience.
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    Watched a video on youtube....about 1 min out of 3. Had to pause it, and responded to a text msg. Noticed about 5 mins later (doing other things) that the video was in the background and it had an error msg about its playback. I turned off the screen and ignored it.

    Looked at the phone about 45 mins later and realized I had suddenly gone from 87% battery to 13% battery. It was the only app open and in the background.

    Moral of the story...close any demanding apps...especially if they crash...lol
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by windzilla View Post
    I don't think its a work around I think running multiple apps in cards is how webos is supposed to work.
    I agree. A lot of people seem to love the idea of an "active" home screen, but that just seems messy to me and you can achieve essentially the same effect by just having a couple of cards open. The little bit I've seen of the Android widget stuff hasn't blown me away ... seems kind of "gimmicky" to me and I much prefer the nice, clean look of WebOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbp View Post
    My 2 cents , do not open launcher for your favorite app,
    slide the keyboard type the name of the app ( just two letters would be suffice), you will notice the app show up on search.

    This is a must have feature in all smart phones.
    The importance of this feature cannot be overstated.
    I give full marks to PALM for doing this search thing,.
    Yeah it took me a while to get used to universal search, but it's so powerful... if I want information on anything.. I just type it in and hit enter and it searches the phone or the web.. it's awesome. You eliminate so many steps.. no need to touch the apps button, hit the web button, type in the name of what i'm looking for and hit enter.. now it's just type and enter and it's there.. it's pure genius!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianPre View Post
    Watched a video on youtube....about 1 min out of 3. Had to pause it, and responded to a text msg. Noticed about 5 mins later (doing other things) that the video was in the background and it had an error msg about its playback. I turned off the screen and ignored it.

    Looked at the phone about 45 mins later and realized I had suddenly gone from 87% battery to 13% battery. It was the only app open and in the background.

    Moral of the story...close any demanding apps...especially if they crash...lol
    I think you definitely need to close any apps that poll or continually access the web (such as youtube, sprint nav, any streaming sites), but I've been running email, calendar and messaging for the last 2 days, with no noticeable difference in battery life. I just started running Agenda as well: I had uninstalled it for awhile because of battery drain issues, but they seem to be worked out. And it allows you to search the calendar - yay!
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    I really dig this thread.
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    Great thread. Should be very helpful for those trying to find the fastest ways to use webOS. Several comments...
    well have a G1 loaded with Android 1.6 right in front of me and as far as I can tell you can't just close a program. i checked online because i said to myself this can not be. but yup, you need to download taskiller, open the program and then you can shutdown an app. you can also press home and the program drops to the background but it seems to continue to run in some for or another and drain battery life.
    in my opinion the pre's slide card off the top is a much cleaner and easier to close up a program.
    Using a task killer app isn't necessary. Android manages memory resources itself; it closes apps on its own when it determines that the resources are needed by an app that is actively being used. I downloaded Taskiller the first day I had my Hero because everyone said you had to have a task killer app. But I quickly found out that you really can let Android manage everything most of the time.
    I agree. A lot of people seem to love the idea of an "active" home screen, but that just seems messy to me and you can achieve essentially the same effect by just having a couple of cards open. The little bit I've seen of the Android widget stuff hasn't blown me away ... seems kind of "gimmicky" to me and I much prefer the nice, clean look of WebOS.
    What is this thread all about if not the problem that most people can't get used to leaving cards open so that essential apps are immediately available? Android accomplishes the same thing with widgets and scenes. I guess it's just a matter of taste, but the nice, clean look of webOS is, to the extent demonstrated in this thread, a preference that actually leads to inefficiency.
    Yeah it took me a while to get used to universal search, but it's so powerful... if I want information on anything.. I just type it in and hit enter and it searches the phone or the web.. it's awesome.
    Except that it doesn't search for data on the phone, like calendar events or tasks. If webOS had a true universal search, it would be much more powerful.
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    #33  
    I take advantage of multitasking in spurts. I don't leave cards open just to leave them open.

    Example: if I sit down to Read an eBook in Shortcover, I'll open up pandora or music remix while I read and I'll keep tweed up as well just to check on my tweets. And most likely I'll leave email up because I get stuff for work all the time.

    Other times I'll have shoutcast up listening to comedy, with Google Reader up, popping up articles into other cards, adding dealerts, more tweed, etc and etc.

    But if I'm not actually sitting down to do all those things, then I just close the cards and open them on demand. Its clean and I don't run the risk of an app eating up battery or resources... And it works great
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    #34  
    PALM dropped the ball on marketing this "search" feature.
    Compared to HERO, Pre is quicker in finding apps.
    Plus unlike Hero , I never made any mistake in typing on Pre.
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    Ive been leaving apps open today...I havent noticed any huge battery hit...seems normal its 8pm and Im at 39%

    the only times i charged all day was when i synced some songs from itunes....and when I drove to taco bell...

    i did get a slight more lag at times but nothing drastic....im gonna keep testing this out...
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    I keep email, calendar, Twee, and Friends Flow open all day, every day with no major battery issues or problems. It's kinda the whole point of the phone.
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    I dont't use Quick Launch for anything but the phone app.
    I use universal search to launch all other apps. As pointed
    out earlier it usually takes no more than 2-3 keystrokes
    to find any app, or person to dial a number or email address.
    I've watched others use the Pre and most do not use US
    effectively.

    I leave app cards up most of the time. Some will burn a lot of battery
    while paused (*all* streaming apps for instance) but
    I've not generally found the web app to be a problem
    but I'm usually leaving it up on only 1 of about 4 sites.
    Most non-net apps use no bat while backgrounded.
    Stuff like push email and linked messenger clients will
    burn a lot of battery.

    If you *really* want to know instead of just speculating
    based on bat% at the end of the day, then install the battery
    monitor app, set the monitor interval to 1 min, turn the graph
    on start it monitoring and then turn the display off.
    Check back every few minutes and look at the current draw
    in the detailed stats. When my phone is idling with no
    power suckers it only draws about 2-3mA. Streaming apps
    pull 120-300mA while streaming, all pull 300+mA while
    paused. I just now ran a test with three web app instances
    open to three different web sites and saw no increase
    in instantaneous current draw. If any exists it must depend
    on sites that update themselves frequently.

    ian
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbp View Post
    PALM dropped the ball on marketing this "search" feature.
    Compared to HERO, Pre is quicker in finding apps.
    Plus unlike Hero , I never made any mistake in typing on Pre.
    No joke. Keyboards are amazing. I remember back in the day with my 650, I used Butler to assign an app to each letter of the keyboard... then just hold that button down for a couple seconds and it would open right up. So you could just hold down 'C' to open up the camera app, 'W' for the browser, 'P' for Pics & Vids, etc. Dunno why I never reinstalled it for my 755p, but I think I just gave up on resets with PalmOS. I can't wait to get back into tweaking with WebOS. I think this week is the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    I leave app cards up most of the time. Some will burn a lot of battery
    while paused (*all* streaming apps for instance) but
    I've not generally found the web app to be a problem
    but I'm usually leaving it up on only 1 of about 4 sites.
    Most non-net apps use no bat while backgrounded.
    Stuff like push email and linked messenger clients will
    burn a lot of battery.
    In addition to what you're saying about the browser... I read another post that said if you leave the browser open, it makes everything open in very different times. Don't have my Pre yet, so can't verify that... but I'm sure I'd leave the browser open at all times anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I tend to not believe that having email / calendar / messaging cards open will have much of an impact, but I'll know more in a few days.
    The cards themselves won't have too much impact, but all three of those are linked to background services that are continually pinging servers, the worst of all being Messaging if you have any IM services active. Calendar syncs in the background every 15 minutes (a setting I hope a patch author can allow us to change, as I would rather have an hourly interval on that setting to squeak out a tiny bit more power), and of course e-mail syncs on the schedule you set. So while the actual cards may not draw much power, you need to worry about any Synergy-powered services those cards rely on in the background, as those are a chief power draw on the Pre.
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