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  1. #161  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    Sure it still sold. It only set new standards in web browsing on a phone. Only recently has someone stepped up to the plate with a similar experience and that is Palm. The iPhone was the first with a multitouch capacitive screen. Eye candy for the masses. A very simple UI. Internet in the pocket. More feature phone than smartphone but features (especially multimedia) done very well.

    All Apple had to do was show it off and make it the star of their commercials (another first?). There was nothing like that out at the time. But make no mistake, the iphone sold itself. Only pricing & plans slowed it at first.
    Aside from the marketing sure it was eye candy(which highlights point no 2 I made above). However in retrospect, the original iPhone was not particularly good at much except being an overglorified ipod and a basic phone. Yes it had a beautiful screen which allowed for a better browsing experience however even that was hampered by it's lack of 3g support. So IMO, in terms of specs/features from an objective standpoint, it wasn't until the 3G did the iPhone become a serious contender.
    Sony Clie --> Tungsten t2 --> iPhone3g --> Palm Pre --> Droid
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    #162  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    The goal though isn't really attracting current iphone users but to create buzz while showing off the Pre. Those WM and RIM users would see the buzz and be targeted indirectly. .
    I don't agree with that. Why would RIM/WinMo customers pay attention to ads about two products that they have no interest in. As Pre owners we recognize how advanced WebOS is because we actually use it, but WinMo/RIM users don't know it because nobody has told them how outdated their stuff is.

    Right now Palm may have the best OS, but there still trailing behind several inferior competitors. So it would do them more good to fight the battle they could actually win against the "old" phones and worry about Apple when they themselves in 2nd place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urkel View Post
    I don't agree with that. Why would RIM/WinMo customers pay attention to ads about two products that they have no interest in. As Pre owners we recognize how advanced WebOS is because we actually use it, but WinMo/RIM users don't know it because nobody has told them how outdated their stuff is.

    Right now Palm may have the best OS, but there still trailing behind several inferior competitors. So it would do them more good to fight the battle they could actually win against the "old" phones and worry about Apple when they themselves in 2nd place.
    I really have no clue or understanding anything other than the basics when it comes to OS, bun do you think that WebOS is better than Android at this point? Androind seems to be so much more customizable and still has the same look and feel of WebOS.
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    #164  
    Web os is great- but the palm pre is not a great product- out of the box its is not as good as the old treo. Yes with home brew its great but that only applies to "palm geeks" (I'm one) not main stream. If palm want to win market share- they need a better finished product with complete software.
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    #165  
    Quote Originally Posted by darreno1 View Post
    Aside from the marketing sure it was eye candy(which highlights point no 2 I made above). However in retrospect, the original iPhone was not particularly good at much except being an overglorified ipod and a basic phone. Yes it had a beautiful screen which allowed for a better browsing experience however even that was hampered by it's lack of 3g support. So IMO, in terms of specs/features from an objective standpoint, it wasn't until the 3G did the iPhone become a serious contender.
    I bet the iPhone couldn't be a big hit if not for the two features , multitouch browsing on a capacitive screen and iPod.

    It was really the multitouch browsing that created the "Wow" factor.
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    Can't find the source for this but...

    Some one said that iphone/itunes album cover view is inherently multitasking, or at least an open door to it. It's not; it's glorified, interactive, list of icons. I do think it's a cool visual way to use/view my stuff, but it's not almost multitasking.

    It's not like they simply turned off lines of code. So later, they can say, "Look how hard we've been working!" when they release a patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urkel View Post
    I don't agree with that. Why would RIM/WinMo customers pay attention to ads about two products that they have no interest in. As Pre owners we recognize how advanced WebOS is because we actually use it, but WinMo/RIM users don't know it because nobody has told them how outdated their stuff is.

    Right now Palm may have the best OS, but there still trailing behind several inferior competitors. So it would do them more good to fight the battle they could actually win against the "old" phones and worry about Apple when they themselves in 2nd place.
    I think you underestimate Apple's marketing. You, me, RIM, palm OS, WM, whatever, have all been affected. Apple bombards the masses (which we're of course a part of) with commercials. Even now, folks on here are using apple app store economics when griping about app prices.

    You don't do commercials pitting the Pre vs oh..say a Storm 2 because the mainstream for the most part don't know what a Storm 2 is. Or a Hero. They know the iphone.

    But you would probably watch it. RIM or WM users would watch just to see Apple ridiculed in such commercials as they have no love for apple. Apple users would watch. But the main point is that people WOULD watch or find it interesting. And seeing what the Pre can do should be enough alone to sell it.

    Name one Palm commercial (in the US) that shows itself off that doesn't focus on a crazy woman rambling on?
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    #168  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post

    Name one Palm commercial (in the US) that shows itself off that doesn't focus on a crazy woman rambling on?
    I can't stand that commercial.

    Jon Ruby said that marketing is the next priority after the stock sale.
    Hopefully they will start some by thanksgiving.

    They should pitch Pixie ( which is thinner than iPhone) against iPhone then show Pre as superior to iPhone.
  9. #169  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    I think you underestimate Apple's marketing. You, me, RIM, palm OS, WM, whatever, have all been affected. Apple bombards the masses (which we're of course a part of) with commercials. Even now, folks on here are using apple app store economics when griping about app prices.

    You don't do commercials pitting the Pre vs oh..say a Storm 2 because the mainstream for the most part don't know what a Storm 2 is. Or a Hero. They know the iphone.

    But you would probably watch it. RIM or WM users would watch just to see Apple ridiculed in such commercials as they have no love for apple. Apple users would watch. But the main point is that people WOULD watch or find it interesting. And seeing what the Pre can do should be enough alone to sell it.

    Name one Palm commercial (in the US) that shows itself off that doesn't focus on a crazy woman rambling on?
    I think you're both right. Just like with the iTunes sync battle, it's a good thing that Palm gets mentioned in the same breath as iPhone, but they don't necessarily need to sell as many phones as Apple to be successful. Apple does have crazy mind control so Palm will need to poach from somewhere else.
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    Agreed. They wouldn't poach iphone users..only upset them :P

    But its a savvy way to avoid being criticized for copying apple's commericals if you simply mock apple instead using their popular commercials against them.

    Verizon has a map for that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wgiglio1 View Post
    I really have no clue or understanding anything other than the basics when it comes to OS, bun do you think that WebOS is better than Android at this point? Androind seems to be so much more customizable and still has the same look and feel of WebOS.
    I have to completely disagree webos os is nothing like android. Android looks and feels allot more customizable windows then it looks like webos.
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    #172  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    I think you underestimate Apple's marketing. You, me, RIM, palm OS, WM, whatever, have all been affected. Apple bombards the masses (which we're of course a part of) with commercials. Even now, folks on here are using apple app store economics when griping about app prices.

    You don't do commercials pitting the Pre vs oh..say a Storm 2 because the mainstream for the most part don't know what a Storm 2 is. Or a Hero. They know the iphone.

    But you would probably watch it. RIM or WM users would watch just to see Apple ridiculed in such commercials as they have no love for apple. Apple users would watch. But the main point is that people WOULD watch or find it interesting. And seeing what the Pre can do should be enough alone to sell it.

    Name one Palm commercial (in the US) that shows itself off that doesn't focus on a crazy woman rambling on?
    I'm not arguing or anything. Just putting out my thoughts on this, but I think you overestimate how much people "hate" Apple. Geeks may feel the need to take sides but to the general public then OS wars is just as dorky and pointless as debating Star Wars vs Star Trek. Their Blackberry works so why switch? (and that's the question Pre should be answering)

    And as for ads themselves I think Palm should consider which of Apple's ads have had the most impact. Apple has two very different ad campaigns where one is extremely effective and the other is fanservice. (And I say this as a brand-agnostic Mac user)

    "Get a Mac" D-
    - These commercials are ridiculous because it's preaching to the choir with the same old tired formula. Bash Windows and look smug doing it, butnot once have they ever shown the actual OS. Metaphors in advertising only work when selling Viagra, so are new customers really picking up Macs because the guy representing a computer in a commercial convinced them to? Answer: No, they're switching to Mac because the media is so biased that they can't even mention Windows without putting a backhanded remark and an Apple sales pitch in it.

    "There's an App for That" A+
    - These commercials are the ones that nailed it. The iPhone actually is a fantastic device, but as everyone here pointed out then the interface is no longer impressive because it's nothing more than a grid. So they turn to apps and in 20sec spots each ad shows off 3 apps where at least one makes you go "dang... my phone can't do that".

    "Palms Weird Yellow Alien Lady" C-
    - This is another one that preaches to the choir. It's good because it's so hypnotizing that people will pay attention and it's also good because they actually show the product they're selling. But it sucks because unless you own/used a Pre then you have absolutely no idea what is going on.


    The ads I liked best were the ones before the Pre came out where all you see is the phone and the hand using it to rearrange their schedule or whatever. WebOS is a visual interface so we should be looking at the phone rather than waiting for that lady to be beamed back to her home planet.
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    #173  
    Quote Originally Posted by Urkel View Post

    The ads I liked best were the ones before the Pre came out where all you see is the phone and the hand using it to rearrange their schedule or whatever. WebOS is a visual interface so we should be looking at the phone rather than waiting for that lady to be beamed back to her home planet.
    Agree,
    Plus add those Canadian guy clips. I thought those were the best.

    The guys touches every subject ( Soccer moms, hair saloon woman, Italian immigrants and girls too).

    The best part was each of those commercials focus on two points , its cool and its usable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urkel View Post
    I'm not arguing or anything. Just putting out my thoughts on this, but I think you overestimate how much people "hate" Apple. Geeks may feel the need to take sides but to the general public then OS wars is just as dorky and pointless as debating Star Wars vs Star Trek. Their Blackberry works so why switch? (and that's the question Pre should be answering)
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    Sorry man, but your whole post was pointless, because it was based on an invalid premise.

    There is no Star Wars vs Star Trek "debate". We all know which one is better...
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    #175  
    Quote Originally Posted by hparsons View Post
    Sorry man, but your whole post was pointless, because it was based on an invalid premise.

    There is no Star Wars vs Star Trek "debate". We all know which one is better...
    "Yousa say we is gonna die?"

    It used to be easy to choose but that line alone changed a lot of minds.
  16. #176  
    IMO,

    at my job, I'm the only one who seems to have a Pre. like everyone has t mobile phones, iPhones, and the such. Kinda nice not to be part of the majority some times
  17. #177  
    As the "Elevations" guy stated......"The Pre is for the rest of us". I wish folks stop comparing it to the IPhone. Everybody on the planet does not want or own an IPhone.....WHEW!!!!

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    Apple is marketing company that happens to sell technology. Their ads make me want to buy Macbooks and iPods even though I hate Apple as a company.

    Yeah, I hate how they will slap that Apple logo on just about anything even though it doesn't resemble nor relate to their other products? Obviously you have seen through all that marketing and found generic, undifferentiated underlying products. Are you for real?

    It's OK. You can buy a Macbook or an iPod. It doesn't make you a bad person. You don't have to go into an Apple Store. Just order online. It's really not that big of deal. You can throw away the white stickers.
    You miss my point.

    Their marketing is so good, that even though I know I don't want their products, I have a small urge to want to buy them. That's incredible marketing at work.

    However, a $2000 Macbook Pro has the specs of a $1200 Dell and the iPhone lacks basic multitask capabilities that have been around for years(Symbian has had multitasking for a long time). It took 3 models to get video recording...got to be kidding me.


    Their marketing reminds me of Bose. They try very hard to convince you that their products are the absolute best your money can buy, when in reality they lack basic features the rest of the competition provides.



    Quote Originally Posted by wgiglio1 View Post
    I really have no clue or understanding anything other than the basics when it comes to OS, bun do you think that WebOS is better than Android at this point? Androind seems to be so much more customizable and still has the same look and feel of WebOS.
    Android is ridiculously customizable. I ran a Pre theme for a week, it was pretty fun.

    I have yet to see how/where WebOS is better than Android. The Pre is a more powerful phone than all current Android phones, that's the edge I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathwish238 View Post
    You miss my point.

    Their marketing is so good, that even though I know I don't want their products, I have a small urge to want to buy them. That's incredible marketing at work.

    However, a $2000 Macbook Pro has the specs of a $1200 Dell and the iPhone lacks basic multitask capabilities that have been around for years(Symbian has had multitasking for a long time). It took 3 models to get video recording...got to be kidding me.


    Their marketing reminds me of Bose. They try very hard to convince you that their products are the absolute best your money can buy, when in reality they lack basic features the rest of the competition provides.
    I dont' think their marketing is that incredible but they sure do bombard you with it. They just have a better grasp on what the average consumer wants. Simple to use, just works, looks great or cool, easy maintenance.

    Many tech companies make things overly complicated from model names to being so overly creative commercial wise that they fail to directly show you the benefits of buying it. If they even advertise that much.

    I'm pretty much a PC guy but i've been tempted to buy a Macbook before. They feel pretty solid. Especially considering every dell laptop i've owned whether high or low end needed major repairs after a year or two. Of course i then quickly give myself a reality check on how costly it would be to get Mac software or still have to bootcamp windows or run it in virtual due to all the windows only software that i have to run.
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    #180  
    Quote Originally Posted by gregcolon3 View Post
    I know your not asking me but I think they would sell a whole lot more. Reviews would then give it stellar ratings and people take notice they depend on reviews. I know before i buy something i check reviews: taking into account that people like to complain a lot but most people want stellar reviews. The pre does not have that yet but it is close. If the pre was magically fixed to reach its full potentially it would definitely get much more publicity and would dramatically affect sales
    I guess more than reviews , its the word of mouth thing.
    You see someone ( may be friend or colleague) holding the phone.
    Then you ask them, then you see them next thing you know you are buying one.
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