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    Palm just announced a UK, Ireland, and German release of the Pre. Soon, we will be able to see the Pre spread to other parts of the world. I would hope so at least.

    The thing is, the iphone is already used worldwide. My question is, do you think the Pre will be able to compete with the Iphone on the global market?

    Why or why not?
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    Not on an iPhone or Blackberry level, but probably some kind of success.

    I hope that it will be wildly successful though.
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    No - it simply does not have the brand name to do that. in the UK, the other problem is that it's being launched on the same network as the iphone and if someone wants to pony up that amount of cash on the o2 network they are going to be get an iphone. Moreover, it's launch date is around the same time as a whole host of other phones so it could get lost in the crowd.
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    I would love to see the Pre be successful in other markets. I feel confident enough about its capabilities that it will the iphones biggest rival.

    But the pre needs apps to even stand a chance. I think that the level of customizibility will draw in a lot more people than many think.

    I've recently traveled to Japan and had to use a prepaid phone and all of the carriers in Japan carry the same generic flip phones. The japanese may like that, but if the pre can get a hold of the market there, I am sure it could capture the heart of the japanese people.


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    By the time it eventually is available worldwide it will be obsolete and surpassed by competitive devices. They're really hurting themselves releasing the thing in Europe in only 3 countries for now.

    Somebody has to explain me how it works. Does Palm really gain more cash with these exclusivity contracts with carriers than offering it through all carriers and unlocked themselves. I would assume bigger potential market, bigger potential revenues. But I'm most likely missing some big cash exclusivity contract fees????
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud101 View Post
    By the time it eventually is available worldwide it will be obsolete and surpassed by competitive devices. They're really hurting themselves releasing the thing in Europe in only 3 countries for now....
    I agree!
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    The answer, will be Palm themselves.
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    Well I am no business wiz, but it costs palm to make the phone and run the business. It would be a large investment for palm to do that. They may even be in the middle of negotiations with other countries right now.

    But you're right, one would assume, bigger potential market - bigger potential revenues. Keep in mind that this is only a stepping stone onto the world stage and the pre is still very young.
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    Naw, Palm will have a hard time catching up to the iPhone that has a headstart with thousands of units or more in circulation and with way many apps. Besides that HOPE Palm has the hardware failures under control.
    I just want Palm to succeed where ever they go.
    Just loathe the Apple fans, Apple company cause they are so prejudiced. They think their *stuff* does not stink or they are God's gift to Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGK View Post
    No - it simply does not have the brand name to do that. in the UK, the other problem is that it's being launched on the same network as the iphone and if someone wants to pony up that amount of cash on the o2 network they are going to be get an iphone. Moreover, it's launch date is around the same time as a whole host of other phones so it could get lost in the crowd.
    In Germany, they are launching it for Free.

    I think the webOS platform will suceed, given another year to penetrate the market. Obviously, the benefit of the OS like Apples (one OS, constantly updated to stay current) and the benefit of multiple hardware (like Blackberry) will draw a good crowd. It may not overtake the iPhone in sales, but it will definitely become a major player.
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    They need to do advertising like they do here in Canada. I see Palm Pre ads on most channels, and MSN.ca website all the time. Definitely need to inform the public that it exists and what it can do. The commercials do a good job of that.. emphasizing multitasking, cloud, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    I'm not sure how the Pre is going to compete with this:

    They don't have to compete with it.. most people don't like virtual keyboards which is why blackberry does so well.
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    They don't have to compete with it.. most people don't like virtual keyboards which is why blackberry does so well.
    When your language is more complex than what will fit on a hardware keyboard, the virtual keyboards have a big advantage. I believe that was the point the poster was trying to make. Although, nothing to keep Palm from using the Sym key to effectively do the same thing.
    Your Pre wants Word Whirl from the App Catalog.

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    It will be a success. But they have to release it in more countries.
    Is PALM brain dead or slow ?

    I think it is slow. Once they get over with this 1.2 upgrade and the APP store launch they can work on more countries and languages.

    What puzzles me is why on earth they omitted the following countries when they could release it in UK.


    Australia
    NewZealand
    South Africa
    Singapore
    India

    For PALM sake, there are many English speaking countries. I am sure they have decent GSM coverage.

    List of countries where English is an official language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Oh wait a sec , PALM doesn't have that many employees to cut deals. That explains.

    Hopefully the second stock option will give them moeny to hire more employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weaser999 View Post
    They don't have to compete with it.. most people don't like virtual keyboards which is why blackberry does so well.
    Then why does every major phone company also make touchscreen phones now (including blackberry).

    The Pre is going to have a tough time in Europe. Not only do they have to compete with RIM and Apple, but Nokia is a major player there. I think any success there will take some time and a major commitment from Palm.
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    The Pre will make sales in Europe, but it has never been as big of a market for Palm as the USA.
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    I have been following the Palm Pre since it was officially announced at CES.

    I finally made the switch over from having an iPhone 3GS (and previously the 3G) on Fido's GSM network to the Palm Pre on Bell Canada's CDMA network. While I am happy with the Palm product, it's obvious that they have a long ways to go when it comes to competing with Apple's iPhone.

    That being said, half the battle is usually won when it comes to your marketing strategy. So far I think Palm has failed miserably!

    When I walked into the Bell store to pick up my Palm Pre, I asked the sales associate how sales for the Pre were doing, and his response? "Not bad, but the marketing is bullsh*t" . I agreed with him. Granted Apple and RIM are both much larger than Palm, but still... at least make a dent with your ads.

    Furthermore, I think that Palm should've taken the time to work out their kinks on the Pre, launched a proper App Catalog and then released the phone worldwide on the same day.

    After having used the Apple iPhone product for roughly 2 years (and a BlackBerry for 2 years before I switched to the iPhone), I honestly feel that Palm has come out with a superior product. Unfortunately the lack of apps and hardware/software glitches don't allow this phone to shine the way it should.

    I know a lot of people will argue and compare the Palm Pre to the issues that Apple had with the 1st Gen iPhone or how the iPhone had originally only released in select few countries. But the point here is, the Palm Pre isn't competing with the iPhone 2G or the very first BlackBerry... it's completing with the phones that are out on the market now - namely the iPhone 3GS.

    I'm positive that with the launch of the Palm Pre in the UK, a proper paid app catalog and WebOS 1.2.1, the Palm Pre will definitely catch better attention worldwide.

    Anywho... just my 2 cents
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    It all depends on how palm updates the pre. As it stands now the pre lacks to many features to be competitive. All US phones are a generation behind europe and asia. Most phones come equipped with 8 megapixel cams with video recording and barcode scanner. All on a 4g network. There are a lot of big players ie nokia with everyone understanding their nitch. The pre doesn't compete as a multimedia device or as a PIM for business users.
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    It should do well in Europe simply because of the broader acceptance of Linux in Europe. Hopefully it will attract Linux/javascript heads from Europe, encouraging more to contribute to the webOS platform in general.
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    There is are a lot of ex-pilot users here in the UK and if they could capitalise on them they would do well but they have somewhat missed the boat allowing Apple to release the S model of iPhone. However the biggest competition is Blackberry, my company issue all managers with BB's and if they could make a dent on that market they would win.
    Treo 600 > Treo 650 > HTC 3200 (bad move) > Treo Pro (not as bad but still WinMo) > Palm Pre
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