Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 30
  1.    #1  
    Is anyone aware of current or forthcoming internet filtering software for the Pre. I don't want to disable the browser but I also don't want my son having unlimited internet access.
    Thanks!
  2. elyon's Avatar
    Posts
    26 Posts
    Global Posts
    29 Global Posts
    #2  
    Hey there,

    I'm concerned about this myself, so I asked Sprint if they had a way of filtering the internet. Unfortunately they do not have a way to block specific sites, or to only allow certain sites, but they did have a basic solution that might make me consider allowing internet on the phone, at least until someone develops an internet filter.

    They can block off the internet so that only the built in features work. This means that the GPS, maps, email, IM and text messaging should work, but you are not allowed to go browsing. I'm not sure how this would apply to apps that might want to access the internet. Like I said, this is a basic solution and is not as robust as I would hope for, but its good enough that its made me think seriously about going for it.

    Hope this helps!
  3. jp22382's Avatar
    Posts
    355 Posts
    Global Posts
    418 Global Posts
    #3  
    Quote Originally Posted by starrman2 View Post
    Is anyone aware of current or forthcoming internet filtering software for the Pre. I don't want to disable the browser but I also don't want my son having unlimited internet access.
    Thanks!
    You possibly find a hosts file for the types of sites you don't want your son to access, and load that onto the Pre.

    Doubt you would want to go in and edit a file one website at a time

    Something similar for ad blocking purposes: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-...ml#post1834817
  4. jeffmcc's Avatar
    Posts
    619 Posts
    Global Posts
    621 Global Posts
    #4  
    that's a gr8 idea....there is a ton of junk on the web.....we don't need any of that stuff!!

    NOT "HP webOS"!!!
  5. #5  
    Interested in the topic if anyone has anything further to add. I wish Palm would create an Internet filter for WebOS. It seems like this would be a basic feature parents would look for if they allowed there young teens to have the phone.
  6. #6  
    Quote Originally Posted by cwayne View Post
    Interested in the topic if anyone has anything further to add. I wish Palm would create an Internet filter for WebOS. It seems like this would be a basic feature parents would look for if they allowed there young teens to have the phone.
    I have mixed thoughts about this.

    First of all, I think an app would definitely be easier to do than most folks think, and it might even be reasonably easy to put together a HomeBrew hack. The Linux iptables could be modified to redirect all port 80 and 443 (basic Web ports) to a predetermined proxy server that offered web filtering. It's possible that even the browser could be modified to allow proxy server settings similar to what you see in IE and Firfox.

    The problem is that anything you can do, the kiddo could undo, probably quicker and easier than you (or I) could.

    The Pre could be effecitvely locked down, but it would have to be done before the kid ever got hold of the device (set up an alternat SU user with a secure password, then lock down the root user completely).

    I'm thinking for this to really be effective, it would have to be offered at the provider level, and they could do so very well. They own the IPs that your Pre gets. They are effectively the ISP, and they could provide a service that looks for the device you pay for, and route it through their filtering services.

    I'm surprised that the service providers don't already offer that.

    You've got my curiosity up. I'm going to do some checking.
  7. #7  
    I feel this is an attempt to solve a non-problem, and it can't really be resolved either.
    Whatever it is that you want to block, there will be another gazillion similar sites with similar content that won't be blocked.
    Some T&A didn't hurt anyone.
  8. #8  
    Install the Squid Proxy and configure it as transparent proxy (this enforces the browser to use it).

    Since squids filtering abilities are somewhat limited, consider adding Privoxy, you can make squid using it. Privoxy can filter out lots of stuff of websites such as ads, iframes and much more.

    Both are available as ipks:

    Code:
    root@palm-webos-device: # ipkg-opt list | egrep "(squid|privoxy)"
    privoxy - 3.0.11-1 - A Web proxy based on Internet Junkbuster.
    squid - 2.6.21-2 - Full-featured Web proxy cache.
    But be warned: you have to fiddle with text configs and stuff like that. However, it works like a charm, I am using it on my NSLU2 at home.


    PS: I would have posted links to the homepages but I'm not allowed to post links...
  9. #9  
    Quote Originally Posted by debilater View Post
    Install the Squid Proxy and configure it as transparent proxy (this enforces the browser to use it).

    Since squids filtering abilities are somewhat limited, consider adding Privoxy, you can make squid using it. Privoxy can filter out lots of stuff of websites such as ads, iframes and much more.

    Both are available as ipks:

    Code:
    root@palm-webos-device: # ipkg-opt list | egrep "(squid|privoxy)"
    privoxy - 3.0.11-1 - A Web proxy based on Internet Junkbuster.
    squid - 2.6.21-2 - Full-featured Web proxy cache.
    But be warned: you have to fiddle with text configs and stuff like that. However, it works like a charm, I am using it on my NSLU2 at home.


    PS: I would have posted links to the homepages but I'm not allowed to post links...
    This looks like it would be something of interest on WebOS-Internals, have you posted it there? If not, would you? I'd like to see details (which I suspect are beyond the scope of the forum)
  10. xplozian's Avatar
    Posts
    9 Posts
    Global Posts
    10 Global Posts
    #10  
    My question is, if the kid is too young to be able to use the internet, what is he doing with a 200$ phone that's main purpose is to utilize the internet? Logic.
  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by freezefire View Post
    I feel this is an attempt to solve a non-problem, and it can't really be resolved either.
    Whatever it is that you want to block, there will be another gazillion similar sites with similar content that won't be blocked.
    Some T&A didn't hurt anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by xplozian View Post
    My question is, if the kid is too young to be able to use the internet, what is he doing with a 200$ phone that's main purpose is to utilize the internet? Logic.
    These are probably topics for a different thread, maybe even a different forum. There is definitely a market, and (in my opinion) a need, for interenet filtering software. I remember what I was like when I was a 15 year old kid, had the internet been as popular than as now, I would have had it, and would have needed a filtering tool. If anyone thinks "Some T&A doesn't hurt anyone" doesn't realize that 1) It's not just T&A, it's hardcore **** (including simulated rape, incest, and child) and 2) There's a reason **** has age restrictions.

    The goal isn't to stop a kid from using the internet, it's to keep them using it appropriately - and yes, the person paying the bills gets to decide what's "appropriate".

    That said, assuming there's a market, the real thrust of the thread is, can it be done on the Pre, and how? I think debilater has pointed out a valid area of exploration.
  12. jp99's Avatar
    Posts
    403 Posts
    Global Posts
    411 Global Posts
    #12  
    Quote Originally Posted by xplozian View Post
    My question is, if the kid is too young to be able to use the internet, what is he doing with a 200$ phone that's main purpose is to utilize the internet? Logic.
    The issue is inappropriate use of the internet, not just general internet usage. Many of us (especially as parents) look for this ability in devices before giving them to our children. Reinforcing proper internal boundaries with technology based boundaries is important.
  13. #13  
    If the internet is that much of a problem then get your kids another phone. Thwe Pre is a web enabled device. The internet is ment to go hand in hand with the phone. Also if you cant lay the simple ground rules for your kids not to do such stupid things then dont enable them by putting them in this situation. Im 25 with no kids but Im 100% against censorship. The fact of life will remain...If they cant do it at home...They will do it at a friends house.
    SGIII SOON! (ATT)

    Palm Pre- > HTC EVO 3D > HTC One X > Samsung GSIII

    If any of my posts help you please thank me!!
  14. #14  
    Quote Originally Posted by cgardner View Post
    If the internet is that much of a problem then get your kids another phone. Thwe Pre is a web enabled device. The internet is ment to go hand in hand with the phone. Also if you cant lay the simple ground rules for your kids not to do such stupid things then dont enable them by putting them in this situation. Im 25 with no kids but Im 100% against censorship. The fact of life will remain...If they cant do it at home...They will do it at a friends house.
    Thus spoken by a 25 year old with no children.

    As I said, it's really a point for a different discussion, but a 15 year old kid is not old enough to decide what is best for themselves. Censorship is not only appropriate for children it's demanded. Not only that, an adult not training their children in the fact that censorship is a part of everyday life is failing their duties as a parent.

    If you think censorship is not practiced, next time you're mad at your boss, tell him exactly what you really think of him.

    Our kids today have been brought up with this misguided notion that they are to be free from censorship, and that is indeed misguided. The only ban on censorship is against government censorship; most other things are open game.

    Why, even on our forum here, you can't say ****, ****, ****, *****, even ******, or a whole host of other words *** **** it!!
  15. #15  
    And then, this might work (if/when it becomes available for the Pre)

    New Parental Filter Will Annihilate Internet Porn Forever - Parental Porn Blocker - Gizmodo
  16. #16  
    the kids who are censored and grow up on strict rules are usually the worst abusers. The downside is that you have no idea because your position has been set up already.

    I think its better to be an advisor over a ruler. You can't fully control them but you can establish yourself in a way better position if you are clever.
  17. #17  
    Quote Originally Posted by blatherdrift View Post
    the kids who are censored and grow up on strict rules are usually the worst abusers. The downside is that you have no idea because your position has been set up already.

    I think its better to be an advisor over a ruler. You can't fully control them but you can establish yourself in a way better position if you are clever.
    On what are you basing this information?

    Sorry, kids have advisors in friends, at school, and through the media. At home, and on family related issues - they need parents.
  18. #18  
    Funny thing is I work in a school. As I see it dumb parents make make dumb kids. I was pretty much never censored as a child and teen. Yet my parents laid down the ground rules for me. I turned out great! On top of that if your going to enable the kid to make these type of choice dont be surprised if they make the wrong choice. The internet isn't a babysitter as most parents like to think it is. If you cant trust them on the internet alone then I would give them a much lesser of a phone where the browser wont load full pages. I do know there are some of the starter phones out there that do have internet type filter apps. I think its more of a reporting program. So you can see where they went. Not so much as a filter that will block them from a web site. It also tells you the txts they have sent and who they are chatting with. I will take a look online to see if its still out there. I'm sure it can be found.
    SGIII SOON! (ATT)

    Palm Pre- > HTC EVO 3D > HTC One X > Samsung GSIII

    If any of my posts help you please thank me!!
  19. #19  
    Quote Originally Posted by cgardner View Post
    Funny thing is I work in a school. As I see it dumb parents make make dumb kids. I was pretty much never censored as a child and teen. Yet my parents laid down the ground rules for me. I turned out great!
    That's great; however, it's meaningless. A sample of "one" is entirely too small.
    BTW, I'd lay odds that your school has both internet access for students, and filters to block inappropriate sites.

    Quote Originally Posted by cgardner View Post
    On top of that if your going to enable the kid to make these type of choice dont be surprised if they make the wrong choice.
    Exactly! Which is why some parents wish to remove the choice. However, the above attitude seems to be contrary to the point you are making. Restricting their choice (you used the term censored) keeps them from making a bad choice. Eventually, age, experience, and hormonal levell will hopefully enable them to make a wiser, more informed choice. Which is why there are legal restrictions on ****ography.

    Quote Originally Posted by cgardner View Post
    The internet isn't a babysitter as most parents like to think it is. If you cant trust them on the internet alone then I would give them a much lesser of a phone where the browser wont load full pages.
    Great! Which is certainly an option for you when you have children. In the meantime, there are those that see a need to be able to allow their kids the tool of the internet, while restricting their exposure to the negative aspects, and are looking for such a solution in the Pre.
  20. #20  
    opendns.com has great web filtering tools available. Its free too, but not lacking in quality. I use it for my network at home and on my laptop. In order to use it, you need to be able to manually configure your DNS settings. Unfortunately, I do not know how to configure the DNS settings on the Pre. Maybe someone can chime in on how to do that.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions