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Originally Posted by CGK:
Actually you sort of are, but you would be with any of the major platforms. The model they all follow is to get the OS to "acceptable" and then work out issues from real world usage and update them if the platform is successful and they expect to support this. This is because the mobile lifecycle is such that if they held on devices and OSes unti they were perfect they would be out of date before release. So if you are early adopter on a platform you generally will serve the same function as a beta tester - that's why I always wait until the second generation of an OS or piece of hardware as they have will have worked out the really major issues.
Of course a product must ship at some point and some problems are understandable.Actually you sort of are, but you would be with any of the major platforms. The model they all follow is to get the OS to "acceptable" and then work out issues from real world usage and update them if the platform is successful and they expect to support this. This is because the mobile lifecycle is such that if they held on devices and OSes unti they were perfect they would be out of date before release. So if you are early adopter on a platform you generally will serve the same function as a beta tester - that's why I always wait until the second generation of an OS or piece of hardware as they have will have worked out the really major issues.
What we have reflects Palm's idea of the most important things to ship first.
So, a barely usable calendar with broken notifications and alarms were trumped by menu animations that actually make it harder to select.
In the Music app it was more important to show album art instead of loading quick and letting the user scroll.
These are just a couple of examples that show Palm's priorities are the issue here. Form over function, from Palm.
Keep this post alive. The pre calendar is usueless if you don't use google. Fix the calendar. Hopefully the next update will address the issue. More than likely we will have to pay for a 3rd party solution. My hope is running low on the pre.
Signed,
Fix the calendar
Signed,
Fix the calendar
Originally Posted by UntidyGuy:
I'd give this thread a solid 8.5 with room for improvement in the area of originality.
- I love my Pre (check)
- I have had every Palm device since...(check)
- Here's what I don't like (check)
- My [old Palm device or other phone] does this just fine (check)
- Here's what I think Palm is working on that is less important (check)
I'd give this thread a solid 8.5 with room for improvement in the area of originality.
LOL. All these pre problems have already been discussed before so how dare anyone mention them again. This person is breaking up the pre happy party. We all have to return to unbridled glee and forced satisfaction of the pre, for fear of being called trolls with troll behavior.
Troll troll troll. Troll troll troll. Oh, you think the pre is the best thing since sliced bread and has zero problems? Oh ok, youre cool again.
Originally Posted by rcyphermd:
Yes I did submit it through proper channels. I also spend HOURS with Level 2 and Level 3 Palm tech support. No resolution. Others have done likewise on this forum.
By my math, if you spent 3 hours on the phone with support trying to resolve the issue, you wasted about 10800 seconds. If you wait 3 seconds every time you go into the calendar app, and average going into it about 5 times a day, it would take you 720 days to have wasted 3 hours of your life waiting on the calendar app. That is like 2 years. IMHO just deal with it. In two years you will be eligible for another upgrade and you can get a different phone.Yes I did submit it through proper channels. I also spend HOURS with Level 2 and Level 3 Palm tech support. No resolution. Others have done likewise on this forum.
My math doesn't take into account time wasted on the forums.
(Secretly I agree with you, it's horrible that it is so laggy, but I guess I'm a bit more patient with a 1st gen device.)
My big beef is with the phone application since the thing is, well you know, a phone.
Has anyone herd when calendar search will be supported? This really ticked me off because:
1. Palm advertised the Pre as having "universal serach;"
2. Sprint (AFAIK) even marketed the Pre's "universal search" as a feature which made the Pre superior to the Iphone;
3. The most primitive organizer from a sharp to casio to my first Palm had calendar serach and the Pre doesn't???
1. Palm advertised the Pre as having "universal serach;"
2. Sprint (AFAIK) even marketed the Pre's "universal search" as a feature which made the Pre superior to the Iphone;
3. The most primitive organizer from a sharp to casio to my first Palm had calendar serach and the Pre doesn't???
+ infinity
The calendar is, for me, the biggest single weakness in the Pre. I hope that within the next 6 months all the little issues will be fixed, and some 3rd party calendar apps will be available. Then I'll seriously consider purchasing one.
The calendar is, for me, the biggest single weakness in the Pre. I hope that within the next 6 months all the little issues will be fixed, and some 3rd party calendar apps will be available. Then I'll seriously consider purchasing one.
+1 - Agreed 1000%. Switching days, I can make a full cake with that wait. Ridiculous....
Originally Posted by larnapp:
my real problem with the calendar is the overall implementation of various features and functions and in many cases, the complete lack of industry-standard calendar features altogether.
For example, ...
Thank you for this most excellent summary of problems with the calendar.my real problem with the calendar is the overall implementation of various features and functions and in many cases, the complete lack of industry-standard calendar features altogether.
For example, ...
John
As mentioned previously, sometimes calendar notifications do not go off when they are supposed to. Even worse, if I subsequently answer a phone call the missing notification goes off almost exactly when the earpiece arrives at my ear. The notification blasts my ears and covers up the first words of the party I am speaking to.
John
John
another good thread about this: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pr...ally-slow.html
Do You Sync With iTunes?
most people in this forum are somewhat tech geeks.
and still ever 1/3 of "us" use itunes.
imagine the normal average joe with the pre or looking to buy one you would be surprised how many people use itunes. and plus its great publicity big ole apple picking on little ole palm
sorry pim doesn't sell pres as much as the would itunes fiasco
most people in this forum are somewhat tech geeks.
and still ever 1/3 of "us" use itunes.
imagine the normal average joe with the pre or looking to buy one you would be surprised how many people use itunes. and plus its great publicity big ole apple picking on little ole palm
sorry pim doesn't sell pres as much as the would itunes fiasco
Originally Posted by meyerweb:
I hope that within the next 6 months all the little issues will be fixed, and some 3rd party calendar apps will be available. Then I'll seriously consider purchasing one.
Palm should send everyone a calendar date they expect to have the Calendar app fixed - you could put it in your calendar and count the days ... I hope that within the next 6 months all the little issues will be fixed, and some 3rd party calendar apps will be available. Then I'll seriously consider purchasing one.
Originally Posted by Kupe:
Palm should send everyone a calendar date they expect to have the Calendar app fixed - you could put it in your calendar and count the days ...
LOL -- be sure to write that date down on a PostIt sticky and put it somewhere handy, because without calendar search you'll never find it again. Palm should send everyone a calendar date they expect to have the Calendar app fixed - you could put it in your calendar and count the days ...
I wish I could be sympathetic, but I'm actually impressed with the calendar. I work for the government so mine is loaded up with the usual meetings. I'm just left wondering how exactly is everyone using their calendars that it causes them so many problems. Mine is synced with EAS and Google, I've never missed a meeting or a flight, and I find it pretty simple to add an entry. I think search would be nice. I think people would be more understanding if someone laid out a specifically how the calendar caused them to miss a meeting or how it was incapable of executing a common task. Forgive me if I missed it. I'm asking because maybe there is more I should be getting out of it.
It all depends on the public. Most users want to eliminate multiple gadgets and if an ipod is part of your life that's why people go for the iphone. Palm wants to eliminate the need for your ipod and keep your Pre. That's why it's important to them. They cannot create iTunes but they can be compatible.
Originally Posted by qst4:
I think people would be more understanding if someone laid out a specifically how the calendar caused them to miss a meeting or how it was incapable of executing a common task. Forgive me if I missed it. I'm asking because maybe there is more I should be getting out of it.
larnapp posted a comprehensive list of deficiencies earlier in the thread. You should also understand that many of us who are complaining about the calendar have been PalmOS users for years. The WebOS development team already had a great calendar app to use as a model, and Palm built its reputation on best-in-class PDA functionality. There's really no excuse for the WebOS calendar to be missing so many basic features. I suppose if you're coming from another OS the WebOS calendar app must seem pretty adequate.I think people would be more understanding if someone laid out a specifically how the calendar caused them to miss a meeting or how it was incapable of executing a common task. Forgive me if I missed it. I'm asking because maybe there is more I should be getting out of it.
+1 here as well.
While the calendar is the biggest culprit, there are MANY small reasons why I find WebOS overall less capable and inherently less usable than Garnet. Some of them are physical reasons (no hard buttons, no d-pad, smaller keyboards, no memory card slot, no IR) but most are software -related (the aforementioned calendar, no e-mail searching, no mass e-mail deletions, no native DTG editing, no voice memos, no video recording, no tethering, STILL no voice dialing). That said, there are tons of reasons that the "average" mobile user would pick a Pre over a Garnet device. But is it really too much for those of us who have used a Palm OS device for a dozen years or more to expect to not lose so many features going forward?
The Pilot 1000 (purchased in May of 1996 at Egghead Software) I have sitting in my closet was most definitely an "early adopter" device. However, all it needs is a fresh set of batteries installed and it becomes arguably a better PIM machine than any of Palm's non-Garnet devices. Certainly more so than a laggy, half-baked Pre.
Where are Rob Haitani, Jeff Hawkins, and the tap counter when we need 'em? For me, e-mail and PIM functionality take priority over everything else. That's why I am sticking to a Garnet device for the time being. But it would sure be nice to see Palm pay attention to what was their historical strength (PIM functionality by far) with WebOS so that when my stable of Garnet devices finally expire I'll have some kind of upgrade path!
The Palm of today is more concerned with trying to be a hip, social neworking-savvy, Apple clone and try to offload too much functionality that should be standard on their device to 3rd parties (iTunes, Google etc).
Come on, Access--bring on those ALP devices!!!
P.S.
@doublebullout;
It's not hip to pay attention to PIM functionality, calendar apps etc. If you care about such a thing then you are some bispectacled, balding, 35+ geeky pocket protector type, at least as far as Apple & Palm are concerned. The new devices nowadays must only appeal to Twittering, trendy teens & twentysomething hipsters who wear slimfit jeans and need to contact their pals to decide which party to attend so everyone can try to get laid.
While the calendar is the biggest culprit, there are MANY small reasons why I find WebOS overall less capable and inherently less usable than Garnet. Some of them are physical reasons (no hard buttons, no d-pad, smaller keyboards, no memory card slot, no IR) but most are software -related (the aforementioned calendar, no e-mail searching, no mass e-mail deletions, no native DTG editing, no voice memos, no video recording, no tethering, STILL no voice dialing). That said, there are tons of reasons that the "average" mobile user would pick a Pre over a Garnet device. But is it really too much for those of us who have used a Palm OS device for a dozen years or more to expect to not lose so many features going forward?
The Pilot 1000 (purchased in May of 1996 at Egghead Software) I have sitting in my closet was most definitely an "early adopter" device. However, all it needs is a fresh set of batteries installed and it becomes arguably a better PIM machine than any of Palm's non-Garnet devices. Certainly more so than a laggy, half-baked Pre.
Where are Rob Haitani, Jeff Hawkins, and the tap counter when we need 'em? For me, e-mail and PIM functionality take priority over everything else. That's why I am sticking to a Garnet device for the time being. But it would sure be nice to see Palm pay attention to what was their historical strength (PIM functionality by far) with WebOS so that when my stable of Garnet devices finally expire I'll have some kind of upgrade path!
The Palm of today is more concerned with trying to be a hip, social neworking-savvy, Apple clone and try to offload too much functionality that should be standard on their device to 3rd parties (iTunes, Google etc).
Come on, Access--bring on those ALP devices!!!
P.S.
@doublebullout;
It's not hip to pay attention to PIM functionality, calendar apps etc. If you care about such a thing then you are some bispectacled, balding, 35+ geeky pocket protector type, at least as far as Apple & Palm are concerned. The new devices nowadays must only appeal to Twittering, trendy teens & twentysomething hipsters who wear slimfit jeans and need to contact their pals to decide which party to attend so everyone can try to get laid.
Palm still cares about PIM, but its new definition is about staying in sync with your social networks.
Maybe it's subjective, but I get the feeling that on the Pre the user is envisioned to just passively consume updates from all other people's calendars, contacts and Facebook updates, and not so much create and enter data on the device. Using a web browser, not being able to create any files, calendar that's not very conducive to data entry, all of this just creates a detached feeling that's very different from the old PDAs.
Maybe it's subjective, but I get the feeling that on the Pre the user is envisioned to just passively consume updates from all other people's calendars, contacts and Facebook updates, and not so much create and enter data on the device. Using a web browser, not being able to create any files, calendar that's not very conducive to data entry, all of this just creates a detached feeling that's very different from the old PDAs.
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I get the feeling that on the Pre the user is envisioned to just passively consume updates from all other people's calendars, contacts and Facebook updates, and not so much create and enter data on the device.
Good thing then that there are so many iPhone and BB users picking up our slack, or else there would be precious little data entry going on to share with us Pre users. ;-)I get the feeling that on the Pre the user is envisioned to just passively consume updates from all other people's calendars, contacts and Facebook updates, and not so much create and enter data on the device.
That is a good point, sivan, and nicely put. I guess a lot of us old PDA die-hards here and elsewhere are stuck in old habits of, for example, getting someone's business card and immediately entering it into their Palm device then performing a Hotsync on a regular basis. I personally then take that biz card and file it away in a card binder, never to be seen again.
It's a shame that WebOS doesn't have a "classic" mode/skin more akin to the old Palm OS PIMs for those who don't like feeling so "detached".
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It's a shame that WebOS doesn't have a "classic" mode/skin more akin to the old Palm OS PIMs for those who don't like feeling so "detached".
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