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    It just hit me today that the Pre is noticeably less stable than my Centro was, and maybe even the Treo 650 running the old Palm OS.

    Sure, it does a lot more, and it usually works. But it crashes very often, I almost forget it's running Linux.

    How did Palm end up with an OS as crash prone as the worst releases of the old Palm OS?

    My guess is the window manager and apps all running in the same process. That would explain running out of memory and little JavaScript problems bringing down the entire device.

    Other ideas? Disagreements?
    Palm Vx > Treo 650 > Centro > G1 > Pre > BlackBerry 9700
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    I honestly can't remember the last time my Pre simply *crashed*. Every once in a while ( and I'm talking sporadically) I'll need to reboot because of a memory issue.

    Have you modified your device with patches or any other thing of that sort?

    Can you give me more of an idea of frequency?
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    Yeah, I don't think I've had more than one "crash" since launch day. Sure, I'll get the occasional "too many cards" memory error, but a restart clears those.

    Running 1.1, with a bunch of homebrew and a few patches happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyg View Post
    I honestly can't remember the last time my Pre simply *crashed*. Every once in a while ( and I'm talking sporadically) I'll need to reboot because of a memory issue.

    Have you modified your device with patches or any other thing of that sort?
    I only have one patch, the Amazon EvDO download. I like my system stock, no homebrew or much else.

    I just use it a lot. Most often a tap or dragging the screen will freeze the UI and then reboot the device.

    Other examples just from this week:

    It got stuck in USB mode because Windows didn't recognize it. Had to reset it.

    This morning I woke up and it was stuck in Touchstone mode and did not ring the alarm. Had to reset it.

    I was sitting with the Pre on my desk, it wasn't doing anything in particular. Then I noticed it reset itself.

    It either needs a reset or resets on its own a few times a week for various unrelated reasons. My Centro was rock solid in comparison.
    Palm Vx > Treo 650 > Centro > G1 > Pre > BlackBerry 9700
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    I'm thinking that you may have a bunk device or a bunk install of the OS, because I think what you're experiencing is atypical.

    One suggestion I have would be to run the webOS doctor, in effect reinstalling the OS.
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    Double-post, as PreCentral.net seems to be experiencing issues.
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    I havn't had one single crash in 2 months. Most number of cards I ever have open is 6. Might get a little slow for a bit until I'm done with everything, but have never had a full on crash.
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    I think in the last 2 weeks I have only had to restart my Pre once because of the 'too many cards open' issue but that's it. I use multiple apps including homebrews and haven't experienced anything like a crash. If your phone is resetting itself or just turning off, try wedging the battery with a piece of paper to see if it's just loose. You're problem is certainly not the norm.
    Sony Clie --> Tungsten t2 --> iPhone3g --> Palm Pre --> Droid
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    If you think the 650 and the centro were the worst releases, you never had a 700 or 755!

    I'm running all kinds of homebrew and have installed a whole bunch of tweaks and haven't had my phone "crash" more than a couple of times. And those times were bad installs of some tweaks that were easily remedied.

    You should try going to the Dr. to see if that corrects your issues.
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    I've only had the pres I've owned (6) reboot on its own in total 3 times. 2 of them today. And I think I have it isolated to My Tether. If anyone wants to test my theory, open a wifi tether and then throw the card off screen with the network active. Does that reboot it?

    Oh yeah, OP it's either the battery or the OS install...Not sure which one, but your results are not normal. While I use my device a good deal, multiple touching and frequent press have not resulted in reboots...just SSSSLLLLOOOOWWWW Downs...
    "When there is no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth"


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    NONE for me.
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    I've had the opposite experience. My Centro was more stable than my 650, and my Pre has been as stable as the Centro or better. I've had 1 spontaneous reset: used ##786# to show the phone properties, and then accidentally left that screen open and forgot about it. After a few minutes, I noticed that the Pre reset. Maybe that's normal behavior? Other than that, I've had no stability issues whatsoever.
    Powered by Palm since 1996...
    Palm Pilot > Palm V > Tungsten T > Trēo 650 > Centro > Prē > Prē F102

    ...gave up and switched to iPhone4 7/15/10
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    I've only had mine a week, but it hasn't crashed yet.
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    I've had a few crashes, but nothing like my 755p, which crashed on a near daily basis when I used it a lot.

    I agree, OP, your experience is not normal.
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    all I can say is, WTF are up people doing to the phone.
    Treo's crashed with an acceptable regularity, just to keep you on your toes.
    I have crashed this maybe twice since Day 1.

    I have friends with Pre's and nobody's phone is crashing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbg7474 View Post
    I've had a few crashes, but nothing like my 755p, which crashed on a near daily basis when I used it a lot.

    I agree, OP, your experience is not normal.
    ^^^^^^^ What he said!
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    Only one crash since launch day. Seems to be as stable as my Centro was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyg View Post
    Double-post, as PreCentral.net seems to be experiencing issues.
    It just hit me today that the PreCentral message boards are noticeably less stable than TreoCentral was.

    How did Smartphone experts end up with a forum as error-prone as the previous forums?


    All joking aside, since launch day my Pre has crashed a total of two times. And this is with multiple tweaks applied multiple ways (by hand, by patches, and by automated scripts), with a huge amount of homebrew, and with heavy multitasking (I always keep my music player open while streaming bluetooth through the A2DP protocol, with mail coming in as it is delivered from my corporate exchange server, while my palm is usually on my touchstone at my desk).

    Looks like you got a bum unit, dude.

    EDIT: And there is no comparison to the Centro crashing. Both my old centros (multiple) and my wife's centro both reset itself multiple times a day. Hell, whenever her Epocrates updated daily at midnight, it crashed every day. She even had to get used to the reset "bing" so she didn't wake up.
    Last edited by draven76; 09/03/2009 at 08:56 AM. Reason: note about Centro
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    No crashing here on my replacement. The original one would reset upon slider close but that's a known issue.

    I would run WebOS Doctor, if that doesn't fix it go get a new one from Sprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyg View Post
    I honestly can't remember the last time my Pre simply *crashed*. Every once in a while ( and I'm talking sporadically) I'll need to reboot because of a memory issue.

    Have you modified your device with patches or any other thing of that sort?

    Can you give me more of an idea of frequency?
    Yeah, this is where I'm at. I've never had an outright crash. I do manually reset every so often due to bad memory management, tho.
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