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  1. ssrjazz's Avatar
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    #141  
    Anyone else find it interesting that the SDK was leaked just -before- this update was released?

    At any rate, homebrew apps are still a go, just have to have the leaked SDK to get the utils to do the install to your device via usb.

    Palm was right to fix the email/install hole. That was a very bad security flaw.
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    Ok, I will agree that fixing a major security hole with the email app install is important. However, they could've added a prompt that pops up alerting you that you're about to install an app and gave you a choice of approve/deny. Or even have a setting in the email preferences to allow apps to be installed via clicking a link. Or course, the default would be 'dont allow', but it would be nice to have that choice. Blocking this completely isn't the answer.
  3. #143  
    Quote Originally Posted by OneDeep View Post
    Palm shouldn't of fixed it and let everybody who install homebred apps via email do so at there own risk.
    I don't think this was some sort of Machiavellian scheme on the part of Palm to prevent home brewing. You say, 'leave it open' until someone writes a virus application to wipe out your device and you inadvertently install it on your Pre. Then everyone will be all over Palm for letting something like that happen. You can't please everyone.
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  4. #144  
    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    Ok, I will agree that fixing a major security hole with the email app install is important. However, they could've added a prompt that pops up alerting you that you're about to install an app and gave you a choice of approve/deny. Or even have a setting in the email preferences to allow apps to be installed via clicking a link. Or course, the default would be 'dont allow', but it would be nice to have that choice. Blocking this completely isn't the answer.
    It is the right answer if you don't want the uproar from Corporate users who had their important sensitive corporate emails compromised because you left a back door open to install programs. It'd still be way to easy to accidentally install even with an accept/deny prompt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galavanter View Post
    Who IS Townsend Ladd Harris?
    I think he's a porn star from the UK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    Ok, I will agree that fixing a major security hole with the email app install is important. However, they could've added a prompt that pops up alerting you that you're about to install an app and gave you a choice of approve/deny. Or even have a setting in the email preferences to allow apps to be installed via clicking a link. Or course, the default would be 'dont allow', but it would be nice to have that choice. Blocking this completely isn't the answer.
    That kind of thinking didn't help people on the desktop with e-mail. People are curious by nature and there are just too many people out there that click without reading (or thinking).

    It's unfortunate, but when it comes to some technologies, you just can't trust people to do the right thing (or to know what the right thing is). I'm not calling people "dumb", just saying that people do "dumb" things.
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    #147  
    BAHAHAHA! All this excitement for a homebrew plug? Pwned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by donatom3 View Post
    It'd still be way to easy to accidentally install even with an accept/deny prompt.
    If there was a setting in the email app preferences to allow or not allow installs via email (the default being 'dont allow'), that would be able to protect people. Opinions?
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    UGH!
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    #150  
    I was thinking about installing the translator and sound notification app before I am forced to update to 1.04. Have you guys had any adverse reactions on your phone after downloading these trusted apps? Speed, battery life or any other changes? I realize that I don't have to root my phone, but I am still apprehensive to mess it up. Are they worth it to download?

    Thanks.
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    #151  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insp_Gadget View Post
    That kind of thinking didn't help people on the desktop with e-mail. People are curious by nature and there are just too many people out there that click without reading (or thinking).

    It's unfortunate, but when it comes to some technologies, you just can't trust people to do the right thing (or to know what the right thing is). I'm not calling people "dumb", just saying that people do "dumb" things.
    That's a silly way to look at it. The point of the prompt is to let you know you're installing an application, and give you the option to cancel. under your logic, we should never allow people to install applications.

    People may not be the smartest when it comes to technology, but the answer isn't to take options/freedoms away from them. It comes down to a question of security vs. freedom. I would highly recommend reading the introductory chapter to "The future of the internet and how to stop it" which can be downloaded for free here: Download :: The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It

    If you really feel like you'd rather have security than freedom, then the iPhone is the right phone for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilenkoD View Post
    I think he's a porn star from the UK
    I think he's the alter ego of 'Karl Hungus'.
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  13. #153  
    Quote Originally Posted by OneDeep View Post
    Palm shouldn't of fixed it and let everybody who install homebred apps via email do so at there own risk.
    Yeah, so somebody can write a virus, have you install it to your phone, and have it spread by sending itself to everyone in your address book saying "Click on this to install PimpMyPre to your Pre" right before it bricks your phone.

    God that would have been hilarity.
  14. #154  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyusaku View Post
    It's great that Palm fixed the hole, but they promised us the ability to sideload apps, and they basically just closed our only opportunity to sideload apps without a proper solution.
    I would have to argue that the ability to sideload or not should be mute on the fact that there shouldn't be any apps for you to load. Palm hasnt openly approved public development for any apps yet. My guess is when sdk goes "public" , and I mean officially, there will be something in place for that. Palm is not ready to unleash yet and I dont have a problem with this update considering most people are below average intelligence anyways. The potential for a disaster is there with a gaping security flaw such as email links. Maybe that bug was also part of a larger potential problem that we dont even know about. So Ill update happily and give Palm a nod of approval.
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    #155  
    Just goes to show that Palm DOES watch these sites. I would like to be the guy who is hired to surf these sites to look for security issues. LOL!
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  16. #156  
    It looks like the uninstall truly uninstalls now, taking the old directories and files with it.
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    #157  
    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett92C View Post
    If there was a setting in the email app preferences to allow or not allow installs via email (the default being 'dont allow'), that would be able to protect people. Opinions?
    My opinion is that this would be the proper way to fix the issue (Even Windows does this ... "Allow unsigned code? (Y/N)") ... but, neither my opinion nor your opinion matters.

    This is about money. No one should be able to release an application that fails to follow Palm or Sprint's rules -- and go through the App store. No one should be able to deploy "Dave's Homebrew App Store" - cause they would make more money than Palm and Sprint.

    Our opinion on the proper fix is moot. It has been argued and decided - just not by us.

    Nerp
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    #158  
    Quote Originally Posted by wprater View Post
    Here are the changed packages:

    [main: 558]: Downloaded /var/lib/update/com.motionapps.rom.classic.ipk
    [main: 558]: Downloaded /var/lib/update/com.motionapps.service.classic.ipk
    It's interesting that Palm is handling the updates for the binary part of Classic. I guess the app store install model wouldn't be able to push such updates?

    After installing, Device info still shows Classic at 1.1.05. From the files, I'm guessing they only changed the device rom image and the background alarm service? Hmm...let me see.

    Foo. A DateBk6 alarm still won't sound unless Classic is already running. Ah, well.
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    #159  
    I'm all installed. Glad the email hole is patched. I haven't felt the need to root or install a homebrew app just yet. I'm still trying to get my office to include the Pre as an "officially supported" mobile device!
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    Quote Originally Posted by reyalsnik View Post
    Not soon enough...hopefully within 2 weeks.
    Don't worry then, I still have to wait another month....
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