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  1. #261  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C View Post
    LOL! I couldn't believe that little pamphlet they put into the box was the only documentation. I kept looking around the couch and floor thinking that the user manual had fallen out somewhere but it hadn't. That pamphlet was it. I think the concept was that this phone was so easy to use that was the only documentation you needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by syphex View Post
    It saves them a ton of money to put everything on their website. I think they have a better manual on their site.
    I never use the one in the box myself - I always download one off either Sprint's site or the mfg'er's. I hate the fact they waste so much paper on all of that stuff. Think Palm was trying to be more green.
    It's not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change” - Darwin
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    #262  
    I'm keeping mine for sure unless it can figure out how to f*** my GF behind my back...

    But seriously. I can't believe some of the posts in these forums. Most people apparently know what they want in a phone but they also were totally uninterested in reading the 100+ reviews that went live last week before the launch.

    I would assume if you're going to spend this much money on a smart phone that you would at least read up on it to see what features it supports and whatnot.

    I'm not picking on anyone in the thread but I know there are people on this forum that know exactly what I'm talking about. And all I can say for those individuals is "Sour Grapes"!
    "You can't change people, only your reaction to them"
  3. #263  
    Taking mine back, already switched back to VZW. Its just not fully baked yet - too slow, responsive times are horrible, gives me a memory full waring at least twice a day. Keyboard is Ok but not really any better than the iphone when you consider the type correction they use. And I HATE having to slide it open to do anything. Back to my Treo 755p - "the devil you know"
  4. #264  
    Quote Originally Posted by syphex View Post
    It saves them a ton of money to put everything on their website. I think they have a better manual on their site.
    It absolutely saves them a lot of money but aggravated consumers don't care about that. I am surprised they didn't throw a CD in there with a PDF manual burned on it. That seems to be the industry status quo.

    I have been playing around with the PIM stuff more today and am liking the Calendar much more but the Tasks even less.....

    The most frustrating part that many of you are mentioning is that Palm KNOWS how to make PIM's!! Don't they? Maybe not. A lot of long time POS programmers and developers were the ones laid off when the POS was discontinued. That leaves mostly the Apple guys. I read an article at an industry website (PC World, Mag? I can't remember) in which it was argued that due to this PALM is closer to being a startup that is reusing a purchased brand name than they are the PALM of yesteryear. Although I think that was what they needed to do to move forward making the WebOS and continue surviving, I think it ironically sacrificed the PIM expertise.

    To my knowledge, Hawkins has been nowhere to be seen near Colligan or a PALM logo since the Foleo was cancelled. I doubt he is involved actively involved with the company and has been focusing on the neuroscience research corporation he started.
    ROOTING for WebOS makes me more sympathetic to Cubs fans.
  5. #265  
    Quote Originally Posted by west3man View Post
    Again, I ask... Classic?

    Does Classic not have the original POS pim apps?
    The problem is that it won't be able to interact with the rest of the phone (syncing etc)
  6. #266  
    Quote Originally Posted by hparsons View Post
    I know you're going to think I'm just giving you a hard time, but I don't understand this at all.

    I haven't even read the manual for this thing. I went to Calendar, did the drop down menu and selected New Event. Put in the times and dates, selected No Repeat, and did a 30 minute reminder.

    It did the accordian thing (I have a grandson's baseball game at 6:30, which was entered from Outlook Web Access), and worked perfectly.

    By any chance, did you scramble around looking for your stylus first? (OK, that one was a jab...)
    my point was that using the Calendar to quickly scan ENTIRE BLOCKS OF DAYS OF WEEKS to see available free time and set up new appointments is far more intuitive and easy and simpler to do with PalmOS vs. webOS.

    can anyone tell me with a straight face the the Contacts and Calendar Apps of the Pre are better than PalmOS?

    grandson????????? just how old are you, herbie?????
  7. #267  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    Because this is a discussion board, not a Pre fan board. Or is it, looking at how some of you bash anyone who doesn't absolutely love the Pre?
    boy, these fanboys can really turn on you quick. they can be vicious! you say a cross word about their "baby" and it's on!
  8. #268  
    depends in your needs of course. I just came off a bold (second time around. i am a complete phone addict and require professional help...) If i actually required to be a road warrior i would keep the bold hands down but i don't. I sit at my office and don't use my cell at all really. So a fun toy that does good web browsing and does get nicely presented html email is right up my alley plus the dirt cheap sprint plans helps alot :P
  9. #269  
    Quote Originally Posted by audiofx View Post
    depends in your needs of course. I just came off a bold (second time around. i am a complete phone addict and require professional help...) If i actually required to be a road warrior i would keep the bold hands down but i don't. I sit at my office and don't use my cell at all really. So a fun toy that does good web browsing and does get nicely presented html email is right up my alley plus the dirt cheap sprint plans helps alot :P
    good point. road warrior real business user vs. desk jockey or fanboy with no heavy business usage. i'm the former and we have a lot of the latter here.
  10. #270  
    Quote Originally Posted by solar_plexus View Post
    The problem is that it won't be able to interact with the rest of the phone (syncing etc)
    So if you set an alarm in the PALM OS PIM, I don't think it can set off the PRE's alarm unless it is the active, front application.... I think. I couldn't get it to do otherwise but someone correct me if that is not accurate. A few things I know for certain is that the Contacts, Tasks (i.e. all the PIM stuff) in Classic cannot see those in the Pre, and vice versa. The only thing I am using Classic for is SplashID and SplashShopper because they don't need to interact with the Pre and run completely self contained in the POS.
    ROOTING for WebOS makes me more sympathetic to Cubs fans.
  11. #271  
    Quote Originally Posted by VaccPalm View Post
    Gekko

    Once again i say enjoy the Centro Probally would have been good to give it a week or so as every day i am learnign to replace the features of my Centro with the PRE and Classic BUT if the Centro is the right phone for you then its the right phone. I still say the Centro was the best darn phone I ever had. ( I kept my Centro, it will always be my first good phone and next year i want my 9 year old son to get it as his first phone)If it had a great internet /Wifi / Better camera like the PRE I would never have left. its all about what makes a phone good for you AND what the features you need. I want 4 things from my phone . Voice/Text/Email , Internet, good camera , Wifi. the Pre has it BUT if that wasnt important then I would have stuck with my Centro. Best of luck Gekko!
    thanks. good luck to you too.
  12. #272  
    Quote Originally Posted by Gekko View Post
    good point. road warrior real business user vs. desk jockey or fanboy with no heavy business usage. i'm the former and we have a lot of the latter here.
    That's exactly why I might be going back to my 800w. I am giving it the full 30 day whirl though and cross my fingers. I am barely making it for the time being.
  13. #273  
    well my Pre came today. Haven't set it up yet as I had some DB issues on my Centro and couldn't hot sync. My initial reaction is I like it when it's closed, but I'm not so fond of it when it's open. I think the whole curved slider thing is dumb because the keyboard area is so thin, and the keys don't have a whole lot of travel. That combined with the bottom edge of the top half being so close to the top row of keys and the sharp edge at the bottom, and it just seems that they overdid the design a bit. Sometimes simpler is better. A straight slide would've given a touch more heft to the bottom half and not made the keyboard area seem so flimsy. So now that my Centro has synced successfully I'm going to set everything up.
    Pixi: Sold. Pre: Passed off to another rep. Touchpad: Just a toy until Cloud syncing arrives, and a better doc editor.
  14. #274  
    Quote Originally Posted by crogs571 View Post
    well my Pre came today. Haven't set it up yet as I had some DB issues on my Centro and couldn't hot sync. My initial reaction is I like it when it's closed, but I'm not so fond of it when it's open. I think the whole curved slider thing is dumb because the keyboard area is so thin, and the keys don't have a whole lot of travel. That combined with the bottom edge of the top half being so close to the top row of keys and the sharp edge at the bottom, and it just seems that they overdid the design a bit. Sometimes simpler is better. A straight slide would've given a touch more heft to the bottom half and not made the keyboard area seem so flimsy. So now that my Centro has synced successfully I'm going to set everything up.
    looking forward to your review!

    try to do some real world PIM stuff - set up appointments weeks in advance. then go back and try to find them and change the dates, attendees, times etc. then try to get a conceptual view of your schedule. add contacts, change contacts/notes/data etc.

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=1368
  15. #275  
    I need my phone/pda device for business too. I guess I'm just not a 'heavy' business user whatever that means because I also can't live with a device that does NOT have:
    1) WiFi(isn't that a core business need?)
    2) GPS(location services, directions etc)
    3) Multi-tasking(leaving half finished emails and SMS open)
    4) Notifications(this is one of the best features on the Pre)
    5) Full HTML Browser(this is the killer APP, for business as well as casual)

    I lost more productivity on the BB, PalmOS and (WinMO before Opera Mobile) from having no HTML browser. Can't even imagine going back to a device without one. I could go on and on about GPS and WiFi but my intent isn't to refute the OP's reasons for going back...just why I could not go from the Pre to a Centro or any other device without ALL 5 of the features I mentioned.
    Palm Pre
    (formerly TouchPro, iPhone 3G, Curve, 8800, Treo800p, E61, N9300, Treo 700p ,Treo 600, I500, I330, Treo 300, I300, 6035)
  16. #276  
    well I can't even activate the phone. I have a $99 everything plan that is one gen before the named SE plan. It's combined with my data card for a total of $130/mo. Well guess what? It isn't allowable on the Pre. So I've got a nice call in to my business rep. If that combo will no longer fly then I'm just going to return it and get a Treo Pro. Not going to pay $20 more per month when I'm already paying $99 for their previous rendition of an everything plan.

    If it gets activated, I have a few reoccurring appts already in there that continue indefinitely. I have some surgeries scheduled at the end of the month and in July I need to put in. I have a two week trip in august to enter as well as some weekend trips next month. All of which get associated with contacts. All are separate "categories". And if I'm going to deal with google, it'll be interesting to see how it all gets handled since there's been a few threads pointing out a lot of issues. We'll see how the migration from PD goes first. See how my memos show up. If my categories are all gone and it's a mish mosh of crap. So the whole keyboard area and my plan issue isn't getting me off to a good start. Now with this new company setting up an exchange server telling us we need to get blackberries is pissing me off. I already had an 8830 and don't want a curve or bold. And there is zero reason we have to have a BB to work with an exchange server which is what my techno-phyte boss believes at the moment. Unless there's some specific program they want us to use for inventory management that is only available on the BB (Which I don't buy either, but we'll see), I just won't accept a BB. I can't imagine any company developing a solution that is BB only when Exchange is involved. Like WinMo wouldn't be a logical solution. And now I'm just peeved that I'll have to dedicate another evening to doing this migration and setup crap.
    Pixi: Sold. Pre: Passed off to another rep. Touchpad: Just a toy until Cloud syncing arrives, and a better doc editor.
  17. #277  
    Prolly returning it. I tried a few times to replace my blackberry curve. It's still the most productive phone I've ever owned. I hope tethering and some cool apps come out for the pre within the next 30 days.
  18. #278  
    Quote Originally Posted by Wirelessness View Post
    I need my phone/pda device for business too. I guess I'm just not a 'heavy' business user whatever that means because I also can't live with a device that does NOT have:
    1) WiFi(isn't that a core business need?)
    2) GPS(location services, directions etc)
    3) Multi-tasking(leaving half finished emails and SMS open)
    4) Notifications(this is one of the best features on the Pre)
    5) Full HTML Browser(this is the killer APP, for business as well as casual)

    I lost more productivity on the BB, PalmOS and (WinMO before Opera Mobile) from having no HTML browser. Can't even imagine going back to a device without one. I could go on and on about GPS and WiFi but my intent isn't to refute the OP's reasons for going back...just why I could not go from the Pre to a Centro or any other device without ALL 5 of the features I mentioned.
    1) WiFi(isn't that a core business need?) -

    3G is more ubiquitous and available than is finding gfree WIFI. and 3G is faster.

    2) GPS(location services, directions etc) -

    my new Lexus has a better NAV, thank you. i have the same Google Maps on my Centro.

    3) Multi-tasking(leaving half finished emails and SMS open) -

    my Centro "multitasks" just as good. i can leave emails and SMS open and come back too. smoke and mirrors - open-LAG-close-LAG-open-LAG with a card gimmick does nothing for my end user experience.

    4) Notifications(this is one of the best features on the Pre).

    Centro does Notifications just fine.

    5) Full HTML Browser(this is the killer APP, for business as well as casual) -

    Pre's browser is crippled. try to download files, pics, or stream media with it!

    do you ever even leave your cubicle, silly?
  19. #279  
    well at the moment it looks like I won't be keeping my Pre. Talking to the account specialist, they no longer do the combo I have with the unlimited plan and broadband card. I can't really justify spending another $20 a month for the broadband card when I already have a $100 unlimited plan for my phone. Hope that doesn't put me with the whining SERO crowd, but the company is already dropping coin. It's not like we had things on the cheap. I think we have three phones set up that way. Think I'll head over to the Pro forum and keep tabs on Sprint and the Android.
    Pixi: Sold. Pre: Passed off to another rep. Touchpad: Just a toy until Cloud syncing arrives, and a better doc editor.
  20. #280  
    Quote Originally Posted by crogs571 View Post
    well I can't even activate the phone. I have a $99 everything plan that is one gen before the named SE plan. It's combined with my data card for a total of $130/mo. Well guess what? It isn't allowable on the Pre. So I've got a nice call in to my business rep. If that combo will no longer fly then I'm just going to return it and get a Treo Pro. Not going to pay $20 more per month when I'm already paying $99 for their previous rendition of an everything plan.

    If it gets activated, I have a few reoccurring appts already in there that continue indefinitely. I have some surgeries scheduled at the end of the month and in July I need to put in. I have a two week trip in august to enter as well as some weekend trips next month. All of which get associated with contacts. All are separate "categories". And if I'm going to deal with google, it'll be interesting to see how it all gets handled since there's been a few threads pointing out a lot of issues. We'll see how the migration from PD goes first. See how my memos show up. If my categories are all gone and it's a mish mosh of crap. So the whole keyboard area and my plan issue isn't getting me off to a good start. Now with this new company setting up an exchange server telling us we need to get blackberries is pissing me off. I already had an 8830 and don't want a curve or bold. And there is zero reason we have to have a BB to work with an exchange server which is what my techno-phyte boss believes at the moment. Unless there's some specific program they want us to use for inventory management that is only available on the BB (Which I don't buy either, but we'll see), I just won't accept a BB. I can't imagine any company developing a solution that is BB only when Exchange is involved. Like WinMo wouldn't be a logical solution. And now I'm just peeved that I'll have to dedicate another evening to doing this migration and setup crap.
    my employer offers Outlook Exchange. using EAS on my Centro is a beautiful thing. i cut the cord to Palm Desktop which is great - no more hotsyncing. and the Centro/PalmOS PIM is so good that i can easily view and enter PIM data via the device which is good enough 99% of the time. here and there i prefer to actually enter data via Outlook. i love the wireless OTA sync and no need to ever plug in a sync cable and go through the HotSync process. and the instant PUSH email is a beautiful thing. i'm fortunate that we use Exchange Server and my IT guy was willing to open up EAS for us. no support costs and no BES costs or extra hardware/phone costs for our company. i also like that with the Centro i have a MicroSD card and i can back everything up. one of the things that scared me with the Pre was the proprietary EAS silo - if you lose your connection to the EAS server - your data is trapped. scary.
    Last edited by Gekko; 06/09/2009 at 06:35 PM.

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