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    #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by jbg7474 View Post
    So does the calendar assume that every appt I enter is in my current timezone, or does it have no notion of timezones whatsoever and no calendar times change when you travel?
    Good question...we'll find out tomorrow morning
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    Quote Originally Posted by coney27 View Post
    Seriously is this just another waaa waaa im a cranky little kid thread?

    I really think it doesnt take that much brain power to calculate the different time zones.
    Quote Originally Posted by coney27 View Post
    Yea..... if everything in life would be that simple.... we wouldnt have complainers. Jeez imagine that! I must not comprehend how important and complicated your life really is. I honestly dont see how difficult it would be to just add a time in your head.
    You guys clearly don't do a lot of traveling, or work with people in lots of multiple time zones. Calculating it in your head everytime you enter an appointment, in maybe a half a dozen different time zones, is a pain in the a$$. Devices like the Pre are supposed to make our lives EASIER, not more complicated. Geez, this site is starting to read just like the Apple fan-boy sites. It's full of apologists who are so excited they'll excuse (or make up excuses for) any issues with the phone, and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them. If the original post was whining, the responses to it are even worse. Waaahh, if you don't like my toy then go home, I'm not going to play with you any more.

    Grow up Pre-boyz, and realize that not everyone's needs are the same as yours, and just because something isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant to everyone.

    I hate to burst your bubble, but the Pre isn't the perfect device. The simple truth is that, in a great many ways, the P-OS Treo is a more capable device than the Pre is right now. Except for the ability to sync to multiple external calendars, the Pre's calendar isn't nearly as capable and full featured as Pimilco Datebk. Maybe the Pre will get all these features added, maybe not. Palm has said all along the Pre isn't intended primarily as a business device, but rather as a consumer device for the "fat middle." That fat middle doesn't likely care about things like multiple timezone support in the calendar. I'm not nearly as optimistic as all of these folks saying "that'll get added in an update." Palm will only invest in updates that they think will increase sales. If they don't see a significant need, they're not going to spend the money. (MHO)
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    You guys clearly don't do a lot of traveling, or work with people in lots of multiple time zones. Calculating it in your head everytime you enter an appointment, in maybe a half a dozen different time zones, is a pain in the a$$. Devices like the Pre are supposed to make our lives EASIER, not more complicated. Geez, this site is starting to read just like the Apple fan-boy sites. It's full of apologists who are so excited they'll excuse (or make up excuses for) any issues with the phone, and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

    Realize that not everyone's needs are the same as yours, and just because something isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant to everyone.(MHO)
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  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by jbg7474 View Post
    I think the question is what happens when you are traveling. Yeah, if you're always in the same timezone, this is not an issue. But if you are traveling frequently, and always in a different timezone, it's good to have the calendar automatically update the times. For example, if I set a 10am telephone call for next monday, but didn't realize that I would have to be in LA that day, I want my calendar to automatically shift the time to 7am so I don't miss it (I'm in EST).

    So does the calendar assume that every appt I enter is in my current timezone, or does it have no notion of timezones whatsoever and no calendar times change when you travel?
    It CAN get complicated, too. Some places in the United States, for instance, don't even observe Daylight Savings Time or don't observe it the way that most of us do.

    It's easy to say that people are crybabies instead of considering the other person's point-of-view OR considering what gaps there may be in one's own knowledge. But it's clear that some folks see internet forums as performance theater. They adopt abrasive or over-the-top personalities or show the worst sides of their native personalities and sit back and enjoy the reactions of the silly little invisible beings who run around screaming at their outrageous behavior.

    By and large, those folks aren't going anywhere, but we can change how we react to them.
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    #45  
    Originally Posted by meyerweb
    You guys clearly don't do a lot of traveling, or work with people in lots of multiple time zones. Calculating it in your head everytime you enter an appointment, in maybe a half a dozen different time zones, is a pain in the a$$. Devices like the Pre are supposed to make our lives EASIER, not more complicated. Geez, this site is starting to read just like the Apple fan-boy sites. It's full of apologists who are so excited they'll excuse (or make up excuses for) any issues with the phone, and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

    Realize that not everyone's needs are the same as yours, and just because something isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant to everyone.(MHO)



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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Originally Posted by meyerweb
    You guys clearly don't do a lot of traveling, or work with people in lots of multiple time zones. Calculating it in your head everytime you enter an appointment, in maybe a half a dozen different time zones, is a pain in the a$$. Devices like the Pre are supposed to make our lives EASIER, not more complicated. Geez, this site is starting to read just like the Apple fan-boy sites. It's full of apologists who are so excited they'll excuse (or make up excuses for) any issues with the phone, and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

    Realize that not everyone's needs are the same as yours, and just because something isn't important to you doesn't make it unimportant to everyone.(MHO)





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       #47  
    I'm the OP of this thread and I've emailed Palm to ask about the lack of inclusion. We'll see what they say.

    Exchange allows timezones.
    Google does not.

    I wonder if Google is the reason for a lack of inclusion. Maybe once Google offers timezones, we'll see it in the Pre.

    Palms desire to hit the fat middle?

    And for those that don't understand... this is truly unacceptable. In my business, this can make or break a contract. You could lose a deal by messing up a time for an appointment. Palm had this in Palm OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coney27 View Post
    Especially being born in 1986 I had the option of being driven to school or walk less than a mile.
    :
    Well, that may explain the confusion. You're only 22 or 23 (a.k.a. still wet behind the ears), so you probably don't know what life can be like for a hardcore business road warrior like a sales rep. Some of those folks will do business in multiple time zones in a single day, while making calls and setting up meetings with people who may be located all over the world. Don't mock the legitimate business needs of these people. The fact that products such as the Treo and MS Outlook have long supported such timezone conversion shows that there really is a need for this feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akula34 View Post

    And for those that don't understand... this is truly unacceptable. In my business, this can make or break a contract. You could lose a deal by messing up a time for an appointment. Palm had this in Palm OS.
    Not only was it in Palm OS, it was in Palm OS more than 10 years ago. This is NOT a new and novel idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Are you talking about Worldwide time zones or just US time zones?
    If you implement US timezones you might as well implement WW ones...

    for the international market this is a big omision but I hope one that gets fixed before the GSM release...

    btw they still wont be able to get around the problem that if you fly from Sydney to SFO that you actually arrive the day before you leave..
    If they implement a way to enter a schedule like that I would be really really impressed..
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    Wow, i never thought about how awesome a feature like that would be... now i want it even though i never have appointments in another time zone. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayzun View Post
    This is seriously a complaint? I set up meetings with multiple time zones all the time. It's not hard to remember them!

    Most of Europe is 6 hours ahead...
    Except when it isn't. Europe and the US/Canada observe different rules for Daylight Savings Time. Quick, when does DST begin here? When does it begin there? What about the end? Even if you memorize the rules, don't count on them staying the same for very long -- both North America and Europe have tinkered with DST rules many times in the past three decades. It was only about two years ago that Congress extended DST to begin in early March (sooner than in Europe) and end in early November (later than in Europe).

    Those kinds of fiddly rule changes are exactly that sort of things that computers can take care of for us. Especially mobile devices that can upgraded their firmware over-the-air (which means that even another future change to the DST rules could be handled gracefully).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilMonkey View Post
    Except when it isn't. Europe and the US/Canada observe different rules for Daylight Savings Time. Quick, when does DST begin here? When does it begin there? What about the end? Even if you memorize the rules, don't count on them staying the same for very long -- both North American and Europe have tinkered with DST rules many times in the past three decades. It was only about two years ago that Congress extended DST to begin in early March (sooner than in Europe) and end in early November (later than in Europe).

    Those kind of fiddly rule changes are exactly that sort of things that computers can take care of for us. Especially mobile devices that can upgraded their firmware over-the-air (which means that even another future change to the DST rules could be handled gracefully).
    Indeed and if you work for a multinational company it can save you lots of hassle converting forwards and backwards..
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  14. #54  
    I really suspect that there's a timezone field in the database, it just isn't exposed. Otherwise syncing with EAS would be a nightmare.
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    Timezones are referenced to Zulu (GMT). Most computers store everything in GMT and have timezone flags to identify the zone that it originates in.

    It really depends on Palm's implementation. I have a feeling it's Zulu, with no timezones.

    Hell... I'd have been happy if they copied Blackberry's crappy implementation of timezones. (It adds or subtracts hours on your appointment when you enter the timezone, but doesn't track it.)

    This is the MAIN reason I stuck with Palm for so long. For them to abandon it, I'm really disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akula34 View Post
    Exchange allows timezones.
    Google does not.
    Google does allow time zones, you just need to enable them
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    Quote Originally Posted by rc46 View Post
    Google does allow time zones, you just need to enable them
    I'll have to get back to you on that. I'll be a happy man if that's true, but I don't think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akula34 View Post
    I'll have to get back to you on that. I'll be a happy man if that's true, but I don't think it is.
    Click on settings then select the box "Show additional time zones"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    If you implement US timezones you might as well implement WW ones...

    for the international market this is a big omision but I hope one that gets fixed before the GSM release...
    I can see why akula needs this now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rc46 View Post
    Click on settings then select the box "Show additional time zones"
    Hmmm. Just tried it out and apparently you can adjust the time zone for a calendar but there's no way to do it for an event.
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