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    Thanks Hamkins for the other items, which are interesting. The price is an advantage for the Pre. On cut and paste, note that the iPhone 3G with the new 3.0 does that well. I have it. My standard headphones work with the iPhone 3G, but not with the first generation. As to no visual voicemail, I think I saw somewhere where Sprint confirmed this.
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    Hamkins, here's the item from Precentral about visual voicemail not being available:

    http://www.precentral.net/palm-confi...-voicemail-pre
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    I'm sorry, but the Goat will be the first to admit that he is an AT&T hater. I've never much cared for them, even before cellphones hit the scene.

    Now they buy out all the coolest phones and leave a lot of their customers in the dirt with their poor network. I guess no one could anticipate the boom that AT&T has had and maybe their network supply could not keep up with consumer demand. I just know that in my neck of the woods making calls to anyone on AT&T is a toughie. You can count on 30% of those calls just straight up not going through. My best friend is on AT&T and I am offering him money to break his contract and come to Sprint when the Pre comes out. I probably talk to him the most so it would almost be worth it to me to bail him out so I don't have to deal with the constant frustration of attempting a CALL.

    Also, ATT has no 3G in Kerrville (Of course), even though Verizon and Sprint have EVDO all around me. If I travel to Austin, I can play with an iPhone 3G... But I can count on it constantly dropping in and out of 3G... Even with updated firmware and all. Maybe the fastest network... If it's 2am and you're standing perfectly still.

    On top of all that they like to charge up to 50% more for their crippled plans.

    I'm sorry... ATT is ridiculous IN MY AREA (I can't vouch for the rest of the US). I'm hoping that consumers wake up to the Pre and realize that they don't have to pay nearly as much for bad service.

    Remember folks, the Goat knows everything. Especially what is best for the consumer. ; )
    -Goatin' Ain't Easy-
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbg View Post
    Hamkins, here's the item from Precentral about visual voicemail not being available:
    Thanks for the link. I don't know how authoritative Twitter should be considered, but in any case, I think there are some hopeful things with respect to visual voice mail. First, no one is saying that the Pre is incompatible with visual voice mail. Since it will have a great browser, there is every indication that the phone itself should be fine for VVM. As the comments in that link indicate, VVM will certainly be possible, through simulscribe, immediately at launch, and that includes voice transcription. I would expect a Palm, Sprint, or third party to offer VVM later on, as well.
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    No offense but comparing the Pre to an 8Gb Iphone that has been out for 2 years in that storage capacity isn't really doing Palm any favors. Especially when the new number will be 16gb in a month from release. Palm should have included more memory, it is a valid complaint, end of story.

    No virtual keyboard is something that will turn away users. They should have at least put the option in there to show one in landscape mode for text input instead of forcing people to flip the phone to type. They could have put an option to disable it entirely for those that didn't want it. Easy fix, no one is upset because they use the phone how they want to which is the whole point. Maybe a third party solution will come a long and fill the gap Palm left.

    Not being able to take a call and browse isn't a huge deal but it is a deal. Just the other day I had to look up something for a person on the other line. It is a nice convenience but a limitation of the network not the phone. So nothing we can do about it take it or leave it. For most it shouldn't be a deal breaker.

    Synergy in its current form is an obvious abortion. Palm needs to fix it ASAP because if they release like it is now they will get hammered in reviews. No excuse for it, they need to fix it.

    The rest isn't really that important to the masses. The device needs some work. Also some of you need to stop acting like if you admit anything is wrong with the Pre your privates shrink an inch. They won't so no worries it is ok to admit that things could of / should of been done differently.
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    Hamkins, Gizmodo says that Twitter is the Palm official Twitter to answer questions.

    I saw something somewhere else here on a forum where there was a person on the CNET Buzz out loud podcast who got to use the Pre and is subject to an NDA. She was asked on the podcast about the lack of visual voicemail and acted surprised. It led you to believe it is either there, or something else is up. You can listen to it here- episode 980

    Buzz Out Loud - CNET's 'podcast of indeterminate length' - CNET Reviews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aridon View Post
    No virtual keyboard is something that will turn away users. They should have at least put the option in there to show one in landscape mode for text input instead of forcing people to flip the phone to type.
    Good point. That's something that bothers me. What a hassle on a web page or anything else to have to flip from landscape mode to up and down whenever you want to type something in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aridon View Post
    No offense but comparing the Pre to an 8Gb Iphone that has been out for 2 years in that storage capacity isn't really doing Palm any favors. Especially when the new number will be 16gb in a month from release. Palm should have included more memory, it is a valid complaint, end of story.
    The $199 iPhone is 8 GB, and the $199 Pre is 8 GB. There is no advantage or disadvantage in this category. One can say, "Gee, I really wished Palm had pushed the envelope in this category," but that is different from saying the Pre is actually worse with respect to memory storage.

    I hope to find that Palm's plan with the memory is that the storage will be in the cloud. I'll probably store some music on the device, but I hope to be streaming most of the time, from my slimserver.

    No virtual keyboard is something that will turn away users. They should have at least put the option in there to show one in landscape mode for text input instead of forcing people to flip the phone to type.
    I hadn't thought of landscape typing. There will probably be a 3rd party app for that, if it's in demand. There was a graffiti app for the Treo's, for example, even though the physical keyboard satisfied most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamkins View Post
    The $199 iPhone is 8 GB, and the $199 Pre is 8 GB. There is no advantage or disadvantage in this category. One can say, "Gee, I really wished Palm had pushed the envelope in this category," but that is different from saying the Pre is actually worse with respect to memory storage.
    The rumor, though, is that the new iPhone in June/July will be 16 GB for $199 and 32 for $299, thus a big advantage, at least based on storage, for the iPhone for the same price- double at $199- 16 versus 8 for Pre
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    Rumor has it, AT&T will lower their pricing plans, though not as low as Sprint's plans. Why would they do that if they weren't worried about losing market share?

    I have too many buds that love their iPhones, but are sick of their service dropping 3 times in 1 business call. Kim Komando sounds as frustrated as everyone else--she calls ATT's service "the most places with zero bars." BUT she loves her iPhone.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamkins View Post
    Thanks for the link. I don't know how authoritative Twitter should be considered, but in any case, I think there are some hopeful things with respect to visual voice mail. First, no one is saying that the Pre is incompatible with visual voice mail. Since it will have a great browser, there is every indication that the phone itself should be fine for VVM. As the comments in that link indicate, VVM will certainly be possible, through simulscribe, immediately at launch, and that includes voice transcription. I would expect a Palm, Sprint, or third party to offer VVM later on, as well.
    Sorry, a 3rd party solution that costs money is no comparison to an integrated solution. Its ok guys to criticize Palm for their mistakes. Stop making excuses for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5 View Post
    Rumor has it, AT&T will lower their pricing plans, though not as low as Sprint's plans. Why would they do that if they weren't worried about losing market share?
    I see your point, but I think it is something else- AT&T is trying to keep Apple happy because they're afraid it may go to Verizon next year. I don't think it has anything to do with the Pre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbg View Post
    The rumor, though, is that the new iPhone in June/July will be 16 GB for $199 and 32 for $299, thus a big advantage, at least based on storage, for the iPhone for the same price- double at $199- 16 versus 8 for Pre
    I don't think there will be any announcements about next-generation iPhone capabilities and availability until WDC on June 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobileman View Post
    Sorry, a 3rd party solution that costs money is no comparison to an integrated solution. Its ok guys to criticize Palm for their mistakes. Stop making excuses for them.
    This is more of a problem with Sprint than Palm, I think. I'm not making excuses. I would also like it to be there at launch. Will it stop me from getting the Pre? Not really. And, I think there is a good chance it will come for free later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamkins View Post
    I don't think there will be any announcements about next-generation iPhone capabilities and availability until WDC on June 8.
    Agree completely- but that's only two days after the Pre launch... Plus, I've already got the 3.0 beta software and it narrows the gap a lot- cut and paste, landscape email and typing, etc.
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    Have fun with your iphone.
    The Pre is not for you, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solar_plexus View Post
    Have fun with your iphone.
    The Pre is not for you, anyway.

    Wow, typical Fanboi response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyg View Post
    I don't get his avatar.
    According to some questionable logic, collectively paying to upgrade our outdated infrastructure by bringing the marginal tax rate back to the levels Ron Reagan set is akin to socialism, the second coming of Joseph Stalin, and the end of life as we know it (depending on who you ask).

    ...but this is neither the time nor place.

    /using his shiny new tax cut to pay for his Pre and stimulate the economy
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    Quote Originally Posted by solar_plexus View Post
    Have fun with your iphone.
    The Pre is not for you, anyway.
    Actually, I am going to try the Pre and see.
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    I don't care. AT&T is GSM and those are some excellent business GSM phones. They have a solid line-up.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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