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    Fanboys. You're as blind as the apple gang you love to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcunwired View Post
    First off, my eyes are so brown they are almost black. If you guys can't get the joke, then that's your problem.
    Does anyone understand? Is it just some reference to some saying that I don't know? A song perhaps?
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by jcunwired View Post

    Finally, sir mycroft gets it wrong too with "Is this how someone asks for help?". They never asked for help.

    You are right. they did not ask for help. They demanded it. They gave Palm an ultimatum, but unlike Mr. Ski Mask, they were actually serious.

    It was very accommodating, in my opinion, that Palm had anything to do with them after that at all.
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  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by taharka View Post
    According to the post:
    ...I told him we’d only agree to sign a non-disclosure regarding the DATE of the release of the product. Nothing else. We would not agree to any other terms unless it could be evidenced to us that said information was not already in the public and it would cause damage to their plans to successfully launch the product.
    This was another thing I find absolutely ridiculous. Who goes to a company hoping for some sort of support, and then decides that "We'll only sign an NDA for what we want to." That's unprofessional in my opinion as well. If I worked for Palm, my thoughts there would be, "Fine, so we won't tell you anything" which ended up being the end result anyway.

    Edit: Oops quoted the wrong part, hold on.

    Edit2: Fixed.
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    #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by jcunwired
    Well golly gee, Palm made announcement of launch on May 19. So Palm had them sign an NDA which was in reality not necessary - they were going to announce before the meeting anyway. Just a tad unethical.
    Do you really think that Palm would go to the trouble of setting up a personal meeting requiring NDAs to merely acknowledge a release date which they had made public the day before?

    Let's be reasonable. No one knows exactly what Palm had planned except Palm.

    Besides, whether or not they broke the NDA is inconsequential. The fact is, Palm was initially trusting enough to have them sign NDAs in the first place. After the guys twittered about their secret meeting, it's as simple as Palm believing that they might not keep secret what needed to be kept secret and that it might not be in their best interests to let them in the loop at this early stage.

    This seems reasonable to me; their company DEPENDS on everything going well with the introduction of Pre. Loose lips sink ships, if you will.

    Palm clearly showed that they wanted to keep ties with them, simply not at the level PreDevCamp wanted. It was not Palm who severed their relationship, it was these guys in their far-too-haughty email demanding responses from executive leadership by XX date.

    Sure, Palm was probably being overly cautious, but I think everything has been massively overblown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    This was another thing I find absolutely ridiculous. Who goes to a company hoping for some sort of support, and then decides that "We'll only sign an NDA for what we want to." That's unprofessional in my opinion as well. If I worked for Palm, my thoughts there would be, "Fine, so we won't tell you anything" which ended up being the end result anyway.

    Edit: Oops quoted the wrong part, hold on.

    Edit2: Fixed.
    Yeah, I've been thinking about all the NDAs I've signed over the years. I wish I knew that I could have demanded that these companies agree only to my terms. Aside from your release date, I'm going to disclose whatever the heck I want. That's classic! :-)
  8. #48  
    Gentlemen,

    prprpr$DevCamp$ $is$ $approaching$ $over$ $1000$ $developers$ $in$ $100$ $cities$ $worldwide$ $and$ $we$ $find$ $ourselves$ $at$ $an$ $impasse$.

    While you should be actively involved, you seem only capable of distancing yourself from what is undoubtedly the most vital component required for your success; a strong developer community. With each day that we continue the two steps forward three steps back dance that has come to define our interactions this relationship becomes less of an asset, and more of a liability. From a community viewpoint it seems that the right palm doesn't know what the left palm is doing.

    We need to know from your executive leadership where Palm stands once and for all. Please let us know if you are in or out by Monday noon, PDT. We have planned accordingly for either outcome, but a non-response will be taken as an indication that your relationship with our community is over.

    Respectfully,

    Giovanni Gallucci
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    Dan Rumney


    Yeah, I don't know of any company that wouldn't jump at the opportunity to work with a group after getting such a nicely written and professional letter such as this one.

    Hint: Simply adding "Respectfully" to the closing does not a respectful letter make.
  9. #49  
    As much as I WOULD LOVE for PALM to embrace the Palm-diehards... why should they?
    Are there enough of us on the boards to BUY all of the PREs (if limited stock) and turn around PALM into a profitable company?)

    After the way SONY treated the diehard Clie users... I have little hope in any of these PDA/Gadget companies.

    Shame... and since many of us have no idea what truly went down... shame.

    Yes, shame on Palm... I just hope SPRINT does right with whatever advertisement necessary to SELL as many Pres (as they have in stock).

    (we ALL hoped they would be so much better and respectful of developers than Apples has been... who knows now...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nojok3 View Post
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    Now this is completely uncalled for, and very offensive. All I asked was for some clarification. In no way did I attack jcunwired latest reply to my reaction to that first post. You are definitely violating the forum rules here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerorne View Post
    Now this is completely uncalled for, and very offensive. All I asked was for some clarification. In no way did I attack jcunwired latest reply to my reaction to that first post. You are definitely violating the forum rules here.
    I agree, but next time please use the report post button instead of directly responding..
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  12. #52  
    Palm's support of predevcamp not completely dead

    Twitter / Lisa Brewster: Had a very productive phon ...
    "Had a very productive phone call with Pam, @palm's VP of Dev Mkting. They support #predevcamp 100%, just have interesting challenges atm."
    I think what is probably the biggest issue at the moment since release date and price is already out, is probably NDA regarding the SDK. The SDK has an NDA as well and Palm doesn't want all the features of the Pre in detail to get out to the public before the release happens. Possibly to prevent competition.
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    #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by kasi1222 View Post
    Short-and-sweet version of what happened:

    preDevCamp leadership tweeted about the date of their planned meeting with Palm (to be held on 5/20, at which time the release date would be revealed to them) and Palm saw this as a breach of the NDA they had signed regarding the Pre release date. Palm then canceled the meeting and distanced themselves from preDevCamp.

    Huge overreaction on Palm's part, in my opinion, since they announced the date to the public in a press release the day before the planned meeting anyway.
    Maybe, but when you're working with a company that feels this strongly about product secrecy, and has so much riding on this particular offering, it is significantly more important for the outside developers NOT to step on toes or speak out of turn. I hope this can be resolved.
  14. #54  
    Ok - so I never post here but I read blog daily (hourly?). Some of you may know me from the Yahoo Board. I am "long" Palm as an investor - since way way back to Handspring. I love the Palm products but can barely update my website let alone code.

    That said - this "Palm sucks because they wouldn't support us even though we don't need or necessarily want their support so we quit" is just stupid, self serving and childish. Listen guys, Palm is in serious turn around mode. They are not Apple or RIMM. They don't have the resources or time to actively support a self-described grassroots "DevCamp" for a product that has not even been released. They are scrambling. Their deadlines and internal issues have nothing to do with YOUR deadlines, wishes, and wants. Seriously, your posts (read DevCamp organizer quitters) are pathetic. Grow up boys. Quit your *****ing. Palm is a multi-Billion dollar company. Your needs and wants - while important to you and certainly important to the long term viability of Palm - have absolutely nothing to do with short term viability of Palm as a company.

    Grow up. Get some perspective.
  15. #55  
    Well, I've been frank here before...and I'm going to be frank again.

    I signed up for PreDevCamp almost immediately...having no idea what benefit it would convey. I just liked the idea of being affiliated with other folks interested in developing for the platform. I suppose that I did hope that a critical mass of us banding together might yield some attention from Palm, but I wasn't demanding it...nor do I feel that we (or anyone else) is in a position to make such demands. Sure, it seems prudent for Palm to take notice, but I'll accept that they have their own priorities.

    So, what about where we are now? Well, let me start by saying that I applaud what the folks at PDC have done with the community. Yes, baby steps to be sure, but they did take the initiative (and time) to try and get something going. Regarding current events, I don't know all of the details of these interactions. I'm sure that most of us don't. That said, what I have seen does appear unprofessional. Ultimatums and deadlines are not the most mature approach.


    Frankly, I am not interested in a battle. I just want an SDK...and perhaps an inroad into the new Palm Developer Network. That will come in time, but perhaps PDC will facilitate it...as well as create a great WebOS community. Who knows. Either way, I am not interested in drawing up lines and choosing sides. I'd prefer to continue to interact with Palm to try and secure early copies of an SDK. We may have missed our first chance at such access (for whatever reason), but that is not to say that there won't be another chance. Thus, I encourage the PDC folks to try and stay engaged, to be patient, and to put on their thick skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taharka View Post
    Gentlemen,

    prprpr$DevCamp$ $is$ $approaching$ $over$ $1000$ $developers$ $in$ $100$ $cities$ $worldwide$ $and$ $we$ $find$ $ourselves$ $at$ $an$ $impasse$.

    While you should be actively involved, you seem only capable of distancing yourself from what is undoubtedly the most vital component required for your success; a strong developer community. With each day that we continue the two steps forward three steps back dance that has come to define our interactions this relationship becomes less of an asset, and more of a liability. From a community viewpoint it seems that the right palm doesn't know what the left palm is doing.

    We need to know from your executive leadership where Palm stands once and for all. Please let us know if you are in or out by Monday noon, PDT. We have planned accordingly for either outcome, but a non-response will be taken as an indication that your relationship with our community is over.

    Respectfully,

    Giovanni Gallucci
    whurley
    Dan Rumney


    Yeah, I don't know of any company that wouldn't jump at the opportunity to work with a group after getting such a nicely written and professional letter such as this one.

    Hint: Simply adding "Respectfully" to the closing does not a respectful letter make.
    Exactly!

    While I applaud the efforts made by PreDevC to contribute to the WebOS platform, the misplaced sense of entitlement reeking from this letter is completely the wrong tack to take with not just Palm, but any corporation. I recognize it's borne out of frustration, but come on. Foot stomping and pouting do not a professional relationship foster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scuba_steve View Post
    Frankly, I am not interested in a battle. I just want an SDK...and perhaps an inroad into the new Palm Developer Network. That will come in time, but perhaps PDC will facilitate it...as well as create a great WebOS community. Who knows. Either way, I am not interested in drawing up lines and choosing sides. I'd prefer to continue to interact with Palm to try and secure early copies of an SDK. We may have missed our first chance at such access (for whatever reason), but that is not to say that there won't be another chance. Thus, I encourage the PDC folks to try and stay engaged, to be patient, and to put on their thick skin.
    You should take over as speaker on behalf of PDC.
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    This has got to be the most dramatic thread we have going. Where's the popcorn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmod View Post
    You should take over as speaker on behalf of PDC.
    From what I have read I believe that the collapse of discussions with Palm and the WebOS developers was almost entirely the result of the behavior of the previous heads of PDC. Perhaps with new leadership will come new opportunities for Palm and the PDC to make nice. It is a great opportunity for both - maybe cooler heads will prevail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmod View Post
    You should take over as speaker on behalf of PDC.
    *blush*



    Thanks...and, of course, I understand that you are just being facetious, but I'll just state emphatically for the record that I understand that the PDC founders/leaders speak for themselves and that no one gets to take over as their speaker. It's their baby. Just like no one gets to speak for me. Well, no one should...but the statements:



    "prprpr$DevCamp$ $is$ $approaching$ $over$ $1000$ $developers$ $in$ $100$ $cities$ $worldwide$ $and$ $we$ $find$ $ourselves$ $at$ $an$ $impasse$.&$quot$;

    and

    "a strong developer community"

    and

    "From a community viewpoint it seems that the right palm doesn't know what the left palm is doing."

    and

    "a non-response will be taken as an indication that your relationship with our community is over"



    ...seem to indicate to me that the 1000 or so of us who signed up are, to some degree, being represented as a strong community who have reached somewhat of a consensus point of view. From my perspective, that is not close to being the case.

    I put my name on a web page for a city over three months ago. I couldn't remove my name from that list even if I wanted to do so (well, at least via the web-based UI). That is the extent of my involvement in this community to date. I have received one "confirmation" email after signing up and nothing since. The local coordinator for my city is diligently updating the web page...and PDC does have forums with a smattering of participation, but that's about it.

    That observation is not intended to be a criticism. Once again, I heartily applaud their efforts...and I recognize that it is still very early in the webOS lifespan...but let's be frank - there isn't much of a WebOS development community at the moment. Instead, there is a list of names of folks who are interested...and just as I would never speak for PDC, I don't want them speaking for me.


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