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    From: Gizmodo - Rebates Suck: The Palm Pre's Real Price - Palm pre


    The Palm Pre is officially $199 after a $100 mail-in rebate. Meaning it's really $299 for a lot of people. Here's the deal:

    The $100 mail-in rebate scheme is clever, if slightly devious—it'd apparently cost more than Sprint wants to spend to subsidize every single Pre down to $199, and this way, they're only doing it for the customers who care so much about the price that they actually follow through with tedious rebate process. Which is likely about half. University of Toronto Marketing Professor Sridhar Moorthy says a 50 percent redemption rate is "the maximum figure I've seen." A $100 mail-in TiVo rebate in 2004 saw slightly worse numbers.

    So Sprint's likely charging half of the people who buy the Pre $299—the people willing to pay that much, or at least not so unwilling that they make the effort to send off the rebate with all t's crossed and i's dotted. Those people, in effect, are subsidizing the phones for people only willing to pay $199. And Sprint still gets to say it's $199, since saying anything higher would be suicide.

    I want to be madder about it—Sprint is effectively leaning on its customers' natural human propensity for failure to complete a super annoying, time-consuming task in order to prop up something of a lie, extracting through averages $249 per phone—but a company who just lost $594 million doesn't have AT&T-style cash to provide the kind of bankroll they'd have to drop if the Pre is the hit they're praying it will be. Even if, judging by AT&T's average $95-per-iPhone monthly revenue—1.6x the amount of cash an average customer forks over monthly—the Pre will be very good to Sprint's coffers over the long term, since most customers will likely opt for Sprint's Simply Everything Plan, which is $100 a month. The Pre is also far from the only phone mail-in rebates are a part of the gambit. But it's still pretty lousy.

    On the other hand, this opens Sprint up to protests from Rush Limbaugh that they're practicing socialist re-distribution by letting their wealthier Pre customers pay for their less fortunate customers, so maybe this isn't the worst thing in the world. Really people, remember your damn rebates.
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    Or you can go to Best Buy/Radioshack/Maybe Wall-Mart and get the Pre for $199 on June 6th .
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    I dont buy it. Its hard to believe that 50% of the people are too stupid to send in a rebate.

    Wait a minute, I take that back.
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    I would rather have it without sending in the rebate, but its not a big deal for me.

    Like I said before, gift cards are the bigger rip off!
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    BestBuy, RadioShack, WalMart...Here I come!!!!!!!!!! June 6th
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    If you are too lazy to just fill out a small form and stick it together with a copy of your invoice the Sprint employee hands you after signing into an envelope, lick the envelope, close it, and smack a stamp on there to send it to Sprint, then you have money to burn.

    I mean seriously, rebates have been around forever, everyone does it, and now they are crucifying Sprint for it?

    Aww...gotta fill out AND mail in a rebate form....boohooo...that's too much work.

    Seriously people...to call that deceptive is just plain wrong!

    Be lazy, pay more, simple, very simple.
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    I bet more than 50% of the people send in a $100 rebate, but when you have rebate companies like this, I am sure the number falls to 50% paid out.

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    Ya I don't understand the gripe about the rebates. They don't take longer than 10 minutes of your time. If you bought a phone from sprint before, that's how they've always done it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MannyZ28 View Post
    If you are too lazy to just fill out a small form and stick it together with a copy of your invoice the Sprint employee hands you after signing into an envelope, lick the envelope, close it, and smack a stamp on there to send it to Sprint, then you have money to burn.

    I mean seriously, rebates have been around forever, everyone does it, and now they are crucifying Sprint for it?

    Aww...gotta fill out AND mail in a rebate form....boohooo...that's too much work.

    Seriously people...to call that deceptive is just plain wrong!

    Be lazy, pay more, simple, very simple.
    while it's obviously not just Sprint, the practice itself is deceptive and unethical. They do it ONLY because people forget/don't send it in etc and they make an extra 100 dollars even though the price is supposed to be 199 in this case.

    If i can get the discount applied through best buy, I will most likely buy it from them.
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    At least they're not sending you a Sprint gift card...like AT&T/Cingular used to do. MIR's take 5 minutes to do, seriously, it's no big deal.
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    Just want to clarify - the words above are not mine. I commented on the rebate topic in the other rebate thread. In this post, I was just trying to let folks know that the Pre rebate issue is showing up elsewhere.


    But since I am typing...

    One issue that some folks have not mentioned is the timeframe for the rebate. You often have a very limited time in which to respond. We'll see how long Sprint allows. That said, you normally don't want to cut up your box and return the UPC code until you decide that you are keeping the phone. I have turned phones back in during the trial period because of service issues. Thus, one needs to be careful to not send the rebate in until they decide that they are keeping the phone...and then not forget to do so after they decide to keep the phone...all the while keeping an eye on the deadline for rebate submission.

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    The rebate process is pretty painless, and considering you get $100 for doing it, I bet that they get higher than 50% redemption.

    I think the bigger issue is you have to cough up an additional $100 in order to walk out of the Sprint store with the Pre. Yeah, you'll get it back, but it might take a couple of weeks. But I've never bought a phone from Sprint that didn't have the mail-in rebate, so this is not news. We've all known for a long time that there would be a mail-in rebate with this phone.
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    Virtually every carrier presents phones on their website with full price, price with contract, rebate, any sales adjustments and net price. To single out Sprint for this is ridiculous.

    Rebates are fine. It takes about 5 minutes to package everything together, lick a stamp and put it in the mailbox. I often forget, then 60 days later get a fat check in the mail, where my reaction is always "Oh, cool".

    No biggie.
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    I would like Congress to pass a law that prohibits non-manufacturer rebates (like this stupid Sprint crap).

    Again, if a manufacturer truly wants to subsidize a price, fine, but not the retailer..

    and Congress should also lower my taxes!

    just my 2 cents.
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    Do we know for SURE that it can be purchased at Best Buy or Wal Mart for $199????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    Sprint would do better if they broke it down into five individual $20 rebates that could be submitted one per month.
    I went to buy a new couch one day recently. I saw an ad in the paper for a $500 free gas card if you spent over $1000. I went to the furniture store and asked them about this totally awesome deal. here is what i got...

    Once you buy the couch, you will get 20 gift cards. each is worth $25. not to bad right?? here is the catch, you have to mail each one in separately & you can only send in 1 per month. it would take 1 year and 8 months to receive the $500 mail in rebate plus a ton of your time. the rebate form was rather large with a lot of unnecessary questions.

    The salesman kept trying to make it seems like such a great deal but he could tell i was not buying his bull****. anyway...at least sprint has a 1 and done deal, haha.
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    It's going to ruin the moment for me to have to go to Wal-Mart or Radio Shack to get the latest and greatest new hotness. But a hundred dollars is a hundred dollars, and I'll do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miner View Post
    It's going to ruin the moment for me to have to go to Wal-Mart or Radio Shack to get the latest and greatest new hotness. But a hundred dollars is a hundred dollars, and I'll do it!
    LOL!
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    Sprint has been doing this for years where was Gizmodo then? They make it sound like a scam, I've never heard of Sprint backing out on their rebates. Sounds like a slow mobile news day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    Sprint would do better if they broke it down into five individual $20 rebates that could be submitted one per month.
    By better you mean them having to give less money back in the form of a rebate then yes because the more work that needs to be done the less likely someone is going to follow through.

    If that 50% mark is correct then, the first month it would be 50% and after that less and less people would feel like dealing with the hassle and give up all together.
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