View Poll Results: Pre Launch: Bungled so far or Not?

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  • Yes - Bungled!

    43 34.40%
  • No - Plan is running smoothly

    82 65.60%
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  1. #61  
    So I guess they should allow the public to just concentrate on other phones and go ahead and buy them instead, instead of getting them to wait for the cool new phone that's supposed to get them out of their slump. If we've only got about a month or so, people will wait if the phone is hyped up enough.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    So I guess they should allow the public to just concentrate on other phones and go ahead and buy them instead, instead of getting them to wait for the cool new phone that's supposed to get them out of their slump. If we've only got about a month or so, people will wait if the phone is hyped up enough.
    Is there some finite period for the public buying phones? I mean, every phone misses sales by not being released the month before they are released. Is this a sign of failure?

    The public is going to concentrate on other phones anyway if the Pre isn't released yet since they can actually buy those. It's not like cell phone sales stopped in the 6 months from the iPhone announcement to the release.

    Again, we don't know enough to make an informed appraisal of the timing of the marketing effort.
  3. #63  
    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    No but there is definitely a finite period of time for Palm to exist as a company without launching the Pre and its measured in months.
    I'm pretty sure no one is more aware of that exact period of time (more exact than "months") than the very same people releasing this phone.
  4. #64  
    There actually WERE quite a few people who waited the full 6 months for the 1st iPhone. I remember people saying "in June, I'm getting the iPhone".

    Palm needs this phone to get lots of sales, and one tactic is to stop people from buying other phones. Obviously it won't work on everyone, but they need enough people to say "I'm waiting on the the Pre". And NOT just people from here and the like, but mainstream people.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  5.    #65  
    every day they delay is another 1,000+ lost customers that they'll most probably never get back. they lost the luxury of taking their good old time long ago. the clock is ticking and cash is burning. get it out quick and get it out right.
  6. #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    There actually WERE quite a few people who waited the full 6 months for the 1st iPhone. I remember people saying "in June, I'm getting the iPhone".


    And a notable number of people are saying the same about the Pre. The point is other phones will continue to sell regardless.

    Palm needs this phone to get lots of sales, and one tactic is to stop people from buying other phones. Obviously it won't work on everyone, but they need enough people to say "I'm waiting on the the Pre". And NOT just people from here and the like, but mainstream people.
    Once they have a release date and start their campaign, they will. We're not there yet.
  7. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by Gekko View Post
    every day they delay is another 1,000+ lost customers that they'll most probably never get back. they lost the luxury of taking their good old time long ago. the clock is ticking and cash is burning. get it out quick and get it out right.
    This is what I've been saying all along. No one has more motivation to get it out than Palm and Sprint. They both realize precious cash is burning. They want to get it out ASAP. More than anyone here does.

    But the last four words of your post tell story...they have to get. it. out. RIGHT.

    It's not there yet.
  8. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    This is what I've been saying all along. No one has more motivation to get it out than Palm and Sprint. They both realize precious cash is burning. They want to get it out ASAP. More than anyone here does.

    But the last four words of your post tell story...they have to get. it. out. RIGHT.

    It's not there yet.
    Bingo. Along those lines, everyone needs to remember, getting it out right includes more than just the phone being ready to go. They want to have a few worthwhile launch apps, sufficient stock in place, advertising, training (this one is big because it requires sizable stock to properly train everyone), and the obligatory phone and network stress testing. These "delayed" answers will be coming soon enough to us all -- well at least soon enough from the standpoint of a launch, maybe not for some of us.
    I don't think it can be called bungled until they do something blatantly wrong, which while there may be disagreements on strategy nothing has been blatantly wrong, or until July 1 rolls around with no action.
  9.    #69  
    from day 1 they should have said "on or about 6-1 or 7-1." it's all about expectations.
  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by Gekko View Post
    from day 1 they should have said "on or about 6-1 or 7-1." it's all about expectations.
    You are assuming this was the planned date all along though. If they say a specific date and launch early and there is even the slightest flaw (something forgivable and minor, like a need for a firmware update shortly after launch) then suddenly the press story is Palm rushed the thing out the door half baked. If they give a fixed date and are late the story becomes Palm can't get its act together. Both hurt Palm significantly. Plus, even with qualifiers of "on or about" or "around" nobody listens to the qualifiers, they only hear the date.
    By creating a window, they can launch earlier if ready or launch later if they need more time. This leeway is important with what is at stake and all the potential areas for problems with an unproven operating system.
    Nobody wants the launch sooner than Sprint and Palm, but they want it as close to perfect as possible and need to control the story as long as possible to do that. Once all the pieces are ready, they will set them in motion.
  11. #71  
    Quote Originally Posted by prereferee View Post
    Nobody wants the launch sooner than Sprint and Palm, but they want it as close to perfect as possible and need to control the story as long as possible to do that. Once all the pieces are ready, they will set them in motion.

    I have said this before too. People act like Sprint/Palm are just sitting around being quiet just to **** people off. I have also read a few times they were shooting for March/April and had problems. Heard that from two Sprint reps. I take it all with a grain of salt, but I am sure they wanted to get the Pre out sooner than June.
  12. #72  
    I missed Celebrity Apprentice but is it true that the iPhone dominated the advertising on the show? Sprint had no idea Apple was going to run all those ads or what? If this is true, it shows marketing still isn't their strong point.

    iPhone ads one month of the new announcement. Even though people already know about the iPhone, they are now doing a refresher course.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  13. #73  
    And the iPhone is out now and available, they aren't advertising the next one yet. Sprint will advertise the Pre as launch approaches (and yes they have plenty of time), as I have said thousands of times before.
  14. #74  
    Yeah, it's ridiculous that this thread is even this long... the phone hasn't launched yet, you can't "bungle" it.

    When the phone does launch (or damn near close, i.e. a week or days), it'll be almost annoying how much publicity they throw into it.
  15. #75  
    ONE MONTH before the announcement there are iPhone ads on an apparently heavily watched show. I see what Apple is doing.

    Sprint had a chance to out the Pre to counter this, and missed it big time. Sprint and Palm already are sponsors of the show.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  16.    #76  
    to paraphrase Ace Rothstein in Casino -

    Listen, if they didn't know they couldn't get it out before 6-1, they're too friggin dumb to keep their jobs. If they did know, they were in on it. Either way, they're out! Get out! Go on.
  17. #77  
    The iPhone commercials were to advertise existing stock.

    There is no existing stock of the Pre. Maybe a "Coming Soon" ad would be ok, but it's a huge waste imo, it only kills current sales of current phones.

    The word of mouth is getting out there... my students (who know I love my Palm phones) are starting to ask me about the Pre more and more... mainstream kids who aren't phone geeks, just kids.

    It's happening without million dollar commercials, it's getting press and youtube time.
  18. #78  
    It may be to clear old stock but it's also to prep people so the iPhone is on their mind around announcement time. They know how to keep "iPhone" in the minds of the public.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  19. #79  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    It may be to clear old stock but it's also to prep people so the iPhone is on their mind around announcement time. They know how to keep "iPhone" in the minds of the public.
    Correct... don't forget, people aren't going to leave for Sprint in droves.
    The real contender is the GSM version... Sprint is doing the advertising for the Pre, so they won't sink a ton of money until the phone is right for them on their network (among other things)... besides, every major article about the iPhone, there is a mention of the Pre (and vice versa), they are attached now...
  20. #80  
    If you believe the numbers, people already left Sprint itself in droves. They need to get them back. A hot phone would help.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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