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  1. #21  
    good read -thanks
    da Gimp

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  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    Multitasking on the iPhone will be at least as stable as Pre's. Speed is more dependent on the CPU. The Carnegie Mellon MACH micro kernal on which the precursor to OS X was based, was specifically designed to support multi-threading as efficiently as possible.

    All the current Smart Phone operating systems support multi-tasking. The only exception is PalmOS which is basically a dead platform at this point.
    Technically Palm OS does support multi-tasking, it just doesn't support multi-threading.
    Palm Vx -> Treo 600 -> Treo 700p -> Centro -> Pre (Launch Phone 06/06/09) -> AT&T Pre Plus with Sprint EVDO swap -> Samsung Epic 4G w/ Froyo
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    Quote Originally Posted by showson1 View Post
    I have a new article I'm writing - "Can the Pre multitask better than a ham sandwich?"
    That would be just as bad a title. Everyone knows that _nothing_ multitasks better than a ham sandwich.

    Nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hdhntr23 View Post
    Dude thats like saying my BMW M5 will go 210MPH while it wont, a modded M5 will.
    Not really, it's more like saying that your motorcycle will go over 160 after you disable the speed regulator. The hardware is capable, just disabled because Steve Jobs knows better than you.
  5. #25  
    What we need, is a Commodore Amiga in a phone Now that baby could multitask no problem. Oh yeah, and had nice graphics (for the time) and music to boot Got to say, it was ahead of it's time and had a good OS too.
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by asforme View Post
    Not really, it's more like saying that your motorcycle will go over 160 after you disable the speed regulator. The hardware is capable, just disabled because Steve Jobs knows better than you.

    Fair but I spose I wasnt clear, if I were to take the govenor off (which is the same thing you are saying so we agree) IE modding it... it would.

    ONE can be spelled as NEO.
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  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by NickDG View Post
    Technically Palm OS does support multi-tasking, it just doesn't support multi-threading.
    Technically that is correct, except that all applications run in the same process sharing one thread and one address space. The iPhone runs apps in there own address space.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by asforme View Post
    Not really, it's more like saying that your motorcycle will go over 160 after you disable the speed regulator. The hardware is capable, just disabled because Steve Jobs knows better than you.
    Yes, but, in many cases vehicles are governed because they aren't capable of higher speeds, at least not safely. For example, my Infiniti G35 can go faster than the 158MHP it's governed at, but the stock tires aren't rated for higher speeds. I've known some vehicles to be governed for limitations that simply cannot be altered, such as a propensity for the front end to lift at higher speeds.

    That's how I see the iPhone--it crams a desktop OS into a mobile device, and Apple knows that if they removed the governor, so to speak, the thing's battery would last 20 minutes and it would multitask like... well... Windows Mobile. And Apple doesn't want that.

    I'm expecting a much different experience from the Pre because it was designed from the ground up for a mobile device. That's what Palm's CEO meant when he said a desktop manufacturer couldn't just jump in and do a smartphone the right way the first time. And he was right.

    Unfortunately, he's two years late in delivering the right smartphone. (Note, I didn't say two years _too_ late...)
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by wynand32 View Post
    I'm expecting a much different experience from the Pre because it was designed from the ground up for a mobile device.
    Not really. The core OS is linux which was developed for the PC and the rendering engine is based on Webkit which was originally derived by Apple Inc for its OS X Safari browser. The SDK is based on existing web toolkits.
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    Not really. The core OS is linux which was developed for the PC and the rendering engine is based on Webkit which was originally derived by Apple Inc for its OS X Safari browser. The SDK is based on existing web toolkits.
    Maybe someone better versed in the technical aspects can explain what Palm meant when they said they designed WebOS from the ground up for a mobile device.
  11. #31  
    I think the writer was refering to iPhone 3.0...
    Maybe he knows something I dont and the iPhone 3.0 will support full multitasking...
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  12. #32  
    Being linux based simply means it uses the Linux Kernel. Webkit is simply an html rendering engine that generates what you see on the screen from html code. Neither of these define whether the device they're running on is optimized for mobile or desktop computing.
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    I can't multitask on my iphone (sorry..playing music in background doesn't cut it). Therefore it doesn't support it. I don't care if it can be enabled (supported) in the future. So what?
    Jailbreak it, it WILL allow some apps to run in the background. Apple just wants to be a controlling , the capabilty was there all along. Now the battery life may indeed suffer like they say, because it seems small.

    I know you say jailbreaking doesn't count, but all it really does is open up deliberately shut down features.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    Jailbreak it, it WILL allow some apps to run in the background. Apple just wants to be a controlling , the capabilty was there all along. Now the battery life may indeed suffer like they say, because it seems small.

    I know you say jailbreaking doesn't count, but all it really does is open up deliberately shut down features.
    I think the point is, what do the phones support out of the box. A car review isn't going to tell you what a car could potentially do if you add aftermarket features and modifications, it is going to review the production model. Besides, jailbreaking comes with its own set of challenges and problems, especially the ongoing cat and mouse with Apple over the issue.
    Yes the iPhone has the potential to do it and that potential is tapped by jailbreaking, but the capability isn't active/available to all purchasers. The Pre will have both the potential and the ability available for all out of the box. I think that has been the overriding point here.
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by wynand32 View Post
    "...will run an app that will run any other iPhone app in the background..."

    Really, do NOT want to get into a Pre vs. iPhone debate here, but my golly, that sounds silly. On the one hand, you have the Pre, which was designed specifically to multitask and to elegantly interact with the user when in the background. On the other hand, you have the iPhone, which, when used in an unsupported fashion, "...will run an app that will run any other iPhone app in the background..." Of course, that background app won't have been _designed_ to run in the background, and there's no mechanism for it to interact with the user, but hey...

    As I've mentioned before, cognitive dissonance explains why some Apple fans will go to the lengths they will to defend real limitations in Apple products.
    Nevertheless it's proven the iPhone does multitask. What I think is Apple shut off the feature officially because they wanted a thin phone, meaning a thin battery. So of course battery life will suffer, like the excuse they use. BUT they made it that way.

    Look how they "enabled" A2DP with new firmware. That means it could do it all along, they had just locked down the feature.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    Nevertheless it's proven the iPhone does multitask. What I think is Apple shut off the feature officially because they wanted a thin phone, meaning a thin battery. So of course battery life will suffer, like the excuse they use. BUT they made it that way.

    Look how they "enabled" A2DP with new firmware. That means it could do it all along, they had just locked down the feature.
    Then the question is, why buy a device that has been crippled by its manufacturer. It can do all these things, but it doesn't out of the box.

    Again, nothing against the iPhone, but I stand by my point, it comes down to the out of the box experience versus the jailbroken experience.
  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by prereferee View Post
    I think the point is, what do the phones support out of the box. A car review isn't going to tell you what a car could potentially do if you add aftermarket features and modifications, it is going to review the production model. Besides, jailbreaking comes with its own set of challenges and problems, especially the ongoing cat and mouse with Apple over the issue.
    Yes the iPhone has the potential to do it and that potential is tapped by jailbreaking, but the capability isn't active/available to all purchasers. The Pre will have both the potential and the ability available for all out of the box. I think that has been the overriding point here.
    I understand what you're all saying about multi-tasking out of the box.

    I'm just saying that the iPhone is actually fully capable, but Apple is hiding a lot of stuff so they can "resell" it in the future. As soon as you hear a firmware update enables MMS and A2DP, thing that make you hmmm. Firmware update, not hardware update, means Apple shut off these features.

    But they may have to indeed redo the hardware and firmware entirely to allow efficient multi-tasking. I remember them making fun of WM task manager and that may be another reason why they didn't enable multi-tasking. They claimed it was too tedious for the average user to figure out what to shut down. What they forgot is that it's better to allow some apps to run in the background.

    Or maybe they didn't. I'm often suspicious of their motives especially in light of recent hardware releases that make it so you have to come crawling to them for everything.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by prereferee View Post
    Then the question is, why buy a device that has been crippled by its manufacturer. It can do all these things, but it doesn't out of the box.

    Again, nothing against the iPhone, but I stand by my point, it comes down to the out of the box experience versus the jailbroken experience.
    Why I bought an iPhone(can't speak for others). The first reason was gadget curiousity, LOL. But I also wanted an all-in-one because I'm tired of carrying both an MP3 player and phone. It just became a bit inconvenient. Phone, MP3 player and a phone headset to switch between them(don't use the crap one from the box though, LOL) in a single package is more efficient for me.

    The jailbroken experience makes this thing a gem. There's just so much difference, it's amazing.

    Ps. I also need corrective lenses and the screen keeps me from squinting.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    Why I bought an iPhone(can't speak for others). The first reason was gadget curiousity, LOL. But I also wanted an all-in-one because I'm tired of carrying both an MP3 player and phone. It just became a bit inconvenient. Phone, MP3 player and a phone headset to switch between them(don't use the crap one from the box though, LOL) in a single package is more efficient for me.

    The jailbroken experience makes this thing a gem. There's just so much difference, it's amazing.

    Ps. I also need corrective lenses and the screen keeps me from squinting.
    I don't disagree it is a great device, and people buy it for many different reasons. I was just noting if given the option, wouldn't you rather the device that has less locked by the manufacturer from the start?
  20. #40  
    Of course. I always prefer free usage of phones, which is why I eventually went the jailbreak route with the iPhone.

    Usually I just buy unlocked phones because they're often restriction free.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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