Could this delay new Sprint subscribers from Verizon?

jcunwired · 04/26/2009, 11:06 PM

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At the risk of repeating myself for the millionth time, in may peoples’ minds, the Achilles’ heal of the iPhone is the network it’s on in the US: AT&T. Since the day it was announced as being exclusive to that provider, people have been wondering one thing: How long until it’s on Verizon? Rumors have surfaced time and again about the possibility, but today brings perhaps the most concrete news yet that the two sides are talking.

The two sides are discussing the possibility of getting Verizon version of the iPhone ready for 2010, sources tell USA Today. There are likely two reasons it would take until next year. The first, is that Apple’s exclusive contract with AT&T runs through next year. The second is that a Verizon version would presumably have to be CDMA-ready, which means the innards of the iPhone would have to be slightly tweaked, as the current iPhone is GSM-only (which AT&T, and most other cell networks run on).

Apple May Hear Verizon Now

ray1b · 04/26/2009, 11:22 PM

This could be a negotiation ploy to get a better deal with AT&T.

jcunwired · 04/26/2009, 11:29 PM

I don't think so. IMHO Apple is already feeling the heat from Palm, even before the oven is on, and are well aware of AT&T's limitations. Sooner or later Apple will move on, and I think it will be sooner. There's nothing in it but win for Apple.

Felipe · 04/26/2009, 11:43 PM

and just last week ATT was talking to apple their exclusivity.

The Phone Diva · 04/27/2009, 12:59 AM

If they make both a GSM and CDMA iPhone, that means trouble for other manufacturers' sales in the US, except maybe RIM.

palandri · 04/27/2009, 01:07 AM

You can get an IPhone from Virgin Mobile in Australia. I thought Virgin Mobile was owned by Sprint? and I thought only AT&T has the IPhone?

https://www.virginmobile.com.au/shop/iPhone.aspx

The Phone Diva · 04/27/2009, 01:15 AM

Virgin Mobile only uses Sprint's CDMA in the US. Overseas they are all GSM, and offer WAY BETTER phones all the way around than US Virgin Mobile! US VM is a joke!

KrazyRogue · 04/27/2009, 01:34 AM

It could delay a lot of people but not me, my 2nd line, or my brother. We are all full steam ahead to get the Pre.

palandri · 04/27/2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Phone Diva

Virgin Mobile only uses Sprint's CDMA in the US. Overseas they are all GSM, and offer WAY BETTER phones all the way around than US Virgin Mobile! US VM is a joke!

So that is what their affiliation is with Sprint in the US. I am still confused over why Virgin Mobile offers the IPhone in Australia. Is there no AT&T in Australia?

The Phone Diva · 04/27/2009, 01:59 AM

I think VM leases the service from major carriers in whatever countries it's in. It's a pre-paid service mainly, and likely has no towers of it's own.

As for the iPhone, remember Apple went to worldwide carriers with the 3G model, not just AT&T. AT&T is only the exclusive carrier in the US.

P.S. Looking at their site, they are a VIRTUAL network operator. I'm betting they do indeed lease all their service and have no towers.

P.P.S. Looking at a post below, I did neglect to mention that AT&T is a US-only carrier. Apple made agreements with international carriers for the 3G model, so any authorized international carrier can sell the iPhone. VM Austrailia is likely reselling the authorized carrier's service and so can sell the iPhone too.

udratherbme · 04/27/2009, 09:05 AM

hey let them drag their feet, that only mean that i can sleep later on the day of release... will not have them verizon junkies in line, trying to negotiate a plan and port numbers and all... all i need is a phone sign a contract and im out............

Gekko · 04/27/2009, 09:21 AM

the vzw network coverage is drastically overrated.

aero · 04/27/2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gekko

the vzw network coverage is drastically overrated.

It really depends on where you are. Of late I am traveling and doing some work in in dense suburban area just west of NYC and sprint coverage absolutely blows compared to Verizon.

I am with Sprint and think it is a good value for the money, but when it comes to coverage and certainty of signal, Verizon beats Sprint hands down. This is the consensus of people who use both for a reason -- its true.

ADGrant · 04/27/2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by palandri

So that is what their affiliation is with Sprint in the US. I am still confused over why Virgin Mobile offers the IPhone in Australia. Is there no AT&T in Australia?

The A in AT&T is short for 'American', they don't offer phone service outside the US. Virgin offers the iPhone in Austrailia because they have an agreement with Apple to do so. Virgin resells Sprint airtime in the US. Elsewhere, they use GSM networks.

Libb · 04/27/2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aero

It really depends on where you are. Of late I am traveling and doing some work in in dense suburban area just west of NYC and sprint coverage absolutely blows compared to Verizon.

I am with Sprint and think it is a good value for the money, but when it comes to coverage and certainty of signal, Verizon beats Sprint hands down. This is the consensus of people who use both for a reason -- its true.

Yet there are entire swaths of the country that have no Verizon service at all - and with the Alltel merger going through, they've had to divest significant portions of that service, which was supposed to give them better rural coverage.

Around here (Binghamton, NY), T-Mob is almost worthless, Verizon is OK, AT&T is decent, and Sprint is king - mainly because several large companies are based around here that have cut deals with Sprint for better network coverage (IBM, Lockheed Martin, etc.). And it wasn't that way not too long ago - just over three years ago, I couldn't get a single bar on my A900 from my buddy's basement in Kirkwood, out on the outskirts of town just past an industrial park, whereas he got 3-4 bars on his Cingular/AT&T phone. Fast forward two and a half years later, at his moving out party, my Treo (with an inferior antenna) pulled a solid 5 bar (with EVDO!) and he could only get 2 bars (with only EDGE). Sprint's been blanketing this town with towers at a pretty impressive pace the past few years.

KrazyRogue · 04/27/2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aero

It really depends on where you are. Of late I am traveling and doing some work in in dense suburban area just west of NYC and sprint coverage absolutely blows compared to Verizon.

I am with Sprint and think it is a good value for the money, but when it comes to coverage and certainty of signal, Verizon beats Sprint hands down. This is the consensus of people who use both for a reason -- its true.

I use Verizon and I agree with this message. I'm still getting the Pre on Sprint.

Kupe · 04/27/2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gekko

the vzw network coverage is drastically overrated.

As a person who routinely carries phones from the 4 major network providers in my travels around the US, I have to disagree with you (simultaneously a job perk and a curse). Compared with Verizon, the other three services have shortcomings in geographic coverage, network consistency/availability, and robustness (ability to handle a subscriber-dense environment, like in cities). VZW consistently outperforms the other 3 services across the country. I often would rather use my G-1, iPhone/Blackjack 2, or Ace in place of my "antiquated" Q9C or skittish Omnia, but my customers (and wife!) yell at me if they find out I'm talking to them on anything but Verizon - which I sometimes have to do while tethering.

There are many places in my travels where the other individual cell providers have comparable service to Verizon, but I've only run into a few isolated locations where any one of the other three actually outperformed Verizon's service. In my local area, there are 4 heavily populated places I have designated in which I can make T-mobile, AT&T, and Sprint drop a call pretty much on demand. Verizon has no problems with any of those. I've yet to find a place around here in which Verizon is the service dropping phone before any of the others.

04/26/2009, 11:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
ray1b Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 437 Likes: 0 Thanks: 3 Thanked 59 Times in 30 Posts	This could be a negotiation ploy to get a better deal with AT&T.
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04/26/2009, 11:29 PM	Thread Author #3 (permalink)
jcunwired Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 232 Likes: 0 Thanks: 69 Thanked 61 Times in 35 Posts	I don't think so. IMHO Apple is already feeling the heat from Palm, even before the oven is on, and are well aware of AT&T's limitations. Sooner or later Apple will move on, and I think it will be sooner. There's nothing in it but win for Apple.
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04/26/2009, 11:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Felipe Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 4,778 Likes: 15 Thanks: 56 Thanked 45 Times in 33 Posts	and just last week ATT was talking to apple their exclusivity. __________________ Felipe On the road to 5,000 posts Life is what happens between Firmware releases.
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The Phone Diva Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No longer a member here but very unhappy at HP! Thanks for ruining your platform! Posts: 8,067 Likes: 1 Thanks: 137 Thanked 305 Times in 243 Posts	If they make both a GSM and CDMA iPhone, that means trouble for other manufacturers' sales in the US, except maybe RIM. __________________ HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!! And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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palandri Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 1,862 Likes: 0 Thanks: 426 Thanked 355 Times in 281 Posts	You can get an IPhone from Virgin Mobile in Australia. I thought Virgin Mobile was owned by Sprint? and I thought only AT&T has the IPhone? https://www.virginmobile.com.au/shop/iPhone.aspx __________________ My Phone & My Wife's Phone Two Unlocked GSM Treo Pro's
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04/27/2009, 01:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
The Phone Diva Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No longer a member here but very unhappy at HP! Thanks for ruining your platform! Posts: 8,067 Likes: 1 Thanks: 137 Thanked 305 Times in 243 Posts	Virgin Mobile only uses Sprint's CDMA in the US. Overseas they are all GSM, and offer WAY BETTER phones all the way around than US Virgin Mobile! US VM is a joke! __________________ HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!! And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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KrazyRogue Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 337 Likes: 0 Thanks: 77 Thanked 28 Times in 18 Posts	It could delay a lot of people but not me, my 2nd line, or my brother. We are all full steam ahead to get the Pre.
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04/27/2009, 01:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
The Phone Diva Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: No longer a member here but very unhappy at HP! Thanks for ruining your platform! Posts: 8,067 Likes: 1 Thanks: 137 Thanked 305 Times in 243 Posts	I think VM leases the service from major carriers in whatever countries it's in. It's a pre-paid service mainly, and likely has no towers of it's own. As for the iPhone, remember Apple went to worldwide carriers with the 3G model, not just AT&T. AT&T is only the exclusive carrier in the US. P.S. Looking at their site, they are a VIRTUAL network operator. I'm betting they do indeed lease all their service and have no towers. P.P.S. Looking at a post below, I did neglect to mention that AT&T is a US-only carrier. Apple made agreements with international carriers for the 3G model, so any authorized international carrier can sell the iPhone. VM Austrailia is likely reselling the authorized carrier's service and so can sell the iPhone too. __________________ HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!! And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished! Last edited by The Phone Diva; 04/27/2009 at 05:02 PM. Reason: Clarified some details.
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udratherbme Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 296 Likes: 0 Thanks: 8 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	hey let them drag their feet, that only mean that i can sleep later on the day of release... will not have them verizon junkies in line, trying to negotiate a plan and port numbers and all... all i need is a phone sign a contract and im out............
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Gekko Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,007 Likes: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 304 Times in 165 Posts	the vzw network coverage is drastically overrated.
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