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  1. Goyena's Avatar
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    Not that I would plan to use it once I get my Pre, but how many kinds of funny would it be to have someone create an iPhone (more like iTouch) emulator to the Palm Pre. It's not like the Pre's hardware would be lacking in anyway.

    With the iPhone 3.0 beta floating around, isn't there any enterprising code god who could do this? This would have to be an unofficial exploit (Apple would sue the pants of you.) but it would at least bring multitasking to the iPhone! Plus, there'd be no more insipid "iPhone vs Pre" articles/threads! iPhone would be a subset of WebOS, since a WebOS emulator on iPhone could never happen for many reasons.

    I don't know if the reverse was ever realized (I thought Apple prohibited apps to interpret code), but I found this: StyleTap's Palm OS emulator officially coming to iPhone and iPod touch

    Look at the article's date; here's Engadget's punch line: "...Palm, now might be a good time to stun us with your new OS."

    While I'm spouting crazy, how about TealOS for the iPhone?
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    The only Apple OS that can be legitimately run under virtualization is Leopard Server.
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    that will be the ultimate slap in Apple's face. I hope one big Palm fanboy/APple hater will make an app like that
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    Oh man! Having an iPhone OS emulator on the Pre would be HILARIOUS. Because for one - it would probably run faster than the iPhone because of the faster processor. It would be like having Vista run much faster on the Macbook Pro than other PCs
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    Do you think Apple would let it in the app store? An application to run any palm app for free with zero control from Apple?

    They announced it almost a year ago, and it still doesn't exist. It isn't even in beta yet. Would be interesting to see it though. Have quite a few friends with iphones that are former palm owners and probably still have their programs.
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    There is a 10000000000000000000000000% chance that will never happen because Apple will sue the SECOND someone trys to manipulate their OS. Unless they make the iPhone OSX open source... HAHAHAHAHAHA
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    Quote Originally Posted by crogs571 View Post
    Do you think Apple would let it in the app store? An application to run any palm app for free with zero control from Apple?

    They announced it almost a year ago, and it still doesn't exist. It isn't even in beta yet. Would be interesting to see it though. Have quite a few friends with iphones that are former palm owners and probably still have their programs.
    Why would it need to go on the apple app store? it would be a pre app.. so would go in the palm app store.. but more likely just somewhere on the net without corp links..
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    A few thoughts:
    1) Contrary to the OP's comments, bringing the iPhone OS to the pre would not bring multitasking to the iPhone OS. The simplest method of getting the iPhone OS would likely be to install the ROM image with as few changes as possible, so it would likely either replace webOS altogether, or run similar to Android on the HTC Touch (e.g., app is run which completely takes over the device, but rebooting the device returns you to webOS). When running in "iPhone" mode, you won't get to multitask iPhone apps without someone doing some major hacking/rewriting of the ROM image.
    2) One hack/enhancement to the ROM image would be critical: getting the pre's keyboard working. Without that, you may have a faster iPhone than the iPhone, but the smaller screen will make entering text very painful/errorprone.
    3) If you can install the iPhone OS on a pre, one might ask if you could install webOS on the iPhone. Because of the iPhone's slower processor, webOS might not run as well (especially with multitasking), but the larger screen could make for a nicer experience for some people. However, as with #2, someone would need to hack the underlying webOS image to provide a virtual keyboard.
    4) No one could sell this - Apple would sue. But Apple may not mind its existence, since they could gain additional revenue from App store sales of iPhone apps.
    Now THIS is the future of smartphones.
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    You'd need the same rights that Motion has for Classic, it seems - speaking a bit closer to the hardware. And it would probably be rather slow, even with the power of the OMAP 3430 - I highly doubt that OMAP offers hardware-level virtualization like a desktop chip from Intel or AMD does.

    Remember folks, the reason Classic runs so damn fast on the Pre is because the hardware it's emulating was slow as molasses - POS, even after 5.0, was running on practically nothing in terms of hardware, and don't even get me started about 3/4 running on Dragonballs.

    iPhone OS runs on 400-600 MHz ARM processors, and chews up an enormous amount of memory. (one of the pitfalls that Apple faced when they ported over Mac OS X as a mobile OS, and part of the reason iPhone OS 2.0 seems so crashy and Apple refuses to do multi-tasking - it's constantly filling up the iPhone's meager 128 MB just running Safari with the iPod or Mail in the background.) The differences between emulating POS and iPhone OS is like the difference between emulating a DOS prompt and emulating a copy of Windows 7 with a DirectX 10 game running.
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    Apple already went after the fella who created the iphone clone for Palm OS and all that was , was a launcher. They would sue anyone who did this.
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    SUe or no sue, it'll still be a big hit!!!
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    that would never ever happen.
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    Uh...so we all agree then that Apple would sue? (so would any other company for an unauthorized port, but yes, definitely Apple).

    Thanks for all the technical tidbits about the iPhone OS why it would be difficult...perhaps v3.0 will be leaner and more emulator-able?

    About my "multitasking to the iPhone" comment...it was just a little bit of sarcasm. I was talking about emulating the OS, not re-writing it! The multitasking I was thinking of was your iPhone emulator in one card, co-existing peacefully with a NES emulator in the next.

    But don't worry about me...I'll be able to survive until somebody creates native iFart apps for WebOS. WAAAUUGH? Who cut the Pre?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Why would it need to go on the apple app store? it would be a pre app.. so would go in the palm app store.. but more likely just somewhere on the net without corp links..
    I think Crogs was talking about the P-OS emulator for the iPhone not being allowed in the apple app store.
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    Why would you want to dumb down the PRE?
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    The iPhone doesn't have much RAM, so the Pre should be able to fit it in a virtual machine under webOS.

    The Pre and the iPhone both run ARM CPUs, with the Pre's being a next gen Cortex with more power.

    This is definately doable if someone can create a VM on webOS. The fact Classic already does this is a good sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chodaboy View Post
    Why would you want to dumb down the PRE?
    To win over converts stolen from the holy altar of the Apple most high. The more fanboys the Pre can get, the more the phone sells, the more users there will be and THE PALM ECONOMY WILL RISE FROM THE ASHES!

    Duh.

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