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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    It was the best selling model when the regular iPhone launched for hundreds more as well (Remember how quickly Apple discontinued the 4GB model?).
    At the time, that was the most space and since the iPhone's screen rules for video viewing, of course people wanted that one. Only early adopters dropped too much money though, I was one. But the build quality seems more solid than the 3G model.

    I'm willing to spend the extra for double the space though. Although I think I will wait to see if they release something new by September.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by Hdhntr23 View Post
    Dude put the crack pipe down... (I joke)

    An 8GB account? Your theories have so many holes in it.

    1) who says the unit has to be bigger to house a card? Im quite sure once we get our hands on one, we will see there is plenty of room for a card slot.
    Palm has already said there is not "plenty" of room for that and that space was at a premium for the device, so....um, wrong.

    have you ever tried to download 8GB worth of data? Over a highspeed connection it would take hours, over EVDO? at least a day.
    Again, you won't be downloading 8GB of data, but even if you were, I can download that amount over Wi-Fi in minutes, not hours. Anyway, you would direct transfer music and movies ONCE over the USB connection. If the device OS crashes, those files are still there, just as a Windows Blue Screen of Death does not wipe the hard drive it is installed on. Additionally, you will likely have a cloud storage account so that you can swap files out over 3G or Wi-Fi on the fly (those services already exist, but I'm sure Palm and/or Sprint will offer a custom solution).

    3)this "syncing to the cloud"... using the situation where one has to do a hard reset, whos to say that that person would have a data connection and or access to their PC?
    Gah. A hard reset is merely to get the OS up and running again. Once the files are on your 8GB of storage, they will remain there UNTIL YOU PERSONALLY DELETE THEM. No data connection would be needed. If you have some apps you have to backup, I'm sure you are either in an area where Sprint 3G service is around or where Wi-Fi is available. If not, I'm sure you can get to one of those in a matter of minutes. If not, why the hell do you have a Web-oriented device to rely on anyway?!?!

    swapping of info from your 8GB account... I shouldnt have to. Why do I have to change my behavior patterns for a new phone? I shouldnt have to change at all, they should know that every one of their Treo's and Centro has had a card slot and thats the behavior pattern we have become accustomed to.
    Right...so cellphone technology and form factors should remain stagnant so as not to upset people who have established "behavior patterns."

    I can think of hundreds of technology companies who prospered with a business model like that. Companies such as....

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    Yeah, exactly.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    At the time, that was the most space and since the iPhone's screen rules for video viewing, of course people wanted that one.
    Please do. As I said, the more people I can dissuade from buying this on launch day, the better. The instant impact this had across the Internet when Palm gave their keynote lets me know this will be a heavily coveted device, MicroSD slot or no.
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    And for the record, movies sized for the Pre screen (or the iPhone screen) go for about 1-1.5GB. A one-hour TV show is half that. So you can take a Pre on a plane with 4 hours of video (A movie and 2-4 episodes of a TV show), hours and hours of music, and have room for apps and files while still coming in under the 7.5GB or so left over after the OS. You need much more than that at any one time? Then you need a dedicated personal media player or laptop...not a Pre or iPhone.

    But I'm glad for selfish reasons that this is pissing so many off here: They won't be snapping up Pre phones on launch day, so I'll have an even better shot at getting one.
    4 hours of video is going to take up to 3GB, add a few applications with data and you will only have 4GB or so left. If I need a dedicated media player, I might as well buy a 32GB iPod touch and keep my PalmOS smartphone (something I am seriously considering).

    Speaking of the iPhone, I don't think people will be "snapping up" the Pre with quite the same intensity so you need not be so worried about not getting one.
    Last edited by ADGrant; 01/28/2009 at 12:44 PM. Reason: typo
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    Gah. A hard reset is merely to get the OS up and running again. Once the files are on your 8GB of storage, they will remain there UNTIL YOU PERSONALLY DELETE THEM. No data connection would be needed. If you have some apps you have to backup,
    I had actually been unaware of that.
    I thought, like my Treo Pro, when one HR, it wiped everything.
    I was concerned; 'where do I keep all my stuff when I HR'

    From another thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by nsxprime View Post
    the onboard storage does not get touched during a hard reset. The Sprint Diamond is the same way. You can keep everything in there, including your backups and be able to restore just fine.
    Just call me Berd.
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    Would a Pre with 8GB of onboard storage AND a MicroSD slot that was bigger turn people off due to the obesity of the device? Probably.
    It is an exaggeration to assume micro sd would make the device "obese."

    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    If Palm doesn't capture a significant share of "the middle," they are dead, dead, dead. Their flagship device HAD to be a mainstream product. Power users will likely be catered to down the line with Treo Pro-esque models rocking the same WebOS, just as there will be a Centro 2.
    I agree with this.

    It is the strange thread title including "obsession" and terms like "whiners" that are childish.

    I think this is caused by the idea that this will b a device for powoer users who are the traditional members of forums like this. It will not. It is a mass market device.

    Alternately Power users being flamed for expressing their factual experience and showing the factual reasons why business user s need removable storage is strange but this kind of thing always happened.

    There were always people who said: "why do you need broadband unless you are stealing songs?" They said: "no one needs hard drives in the gigabyte range unless they have a porn collection. "

    I have an anecdote I may have used on another thread but it really trlls the story: I sat in on hearings (landline tarrif) years ago where experts said people would never need more than 1200 baud (yes baud) into households because no person could read an ascii stream faster than that.
  7. #47  
    But then again;

    I would still have preferred to have a MicroSd Slot.
    Just call me Berd.
  8. #48  
    The reason why 8GB is a big deal is because its a non-expandable number on the Pre. But for those who this is a deal-breaker can wait.

    It sucks for me because I backup to a card mainly (while I Hotsync monthly and sync my calendar to Google daily). But there will be a solution and we will have to wait to see if it will be a Palm-native solution or 3rd party.

    I am rehashing at this point, but 8GB is good for the majority. The price is going to be competitive for the pro-sumer so they can get on their feet. After that takes off, better models will be released. But you have to pay the bills first, and the best way is to appeal to the fat middle and then expand.
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    It is an exaggeration to assume micro sd would make the device "obese."
    You're wrong! the device would be Huge!
    Just call me Berd.
  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    4 hours of video is going to take up to 3GB, add a few applications with data and you will only have 4GB or so left. If I need a dedicated media player, I might as well buy a 32GB iPod touch and keep my PalmOS smartphone (something I am seriously considering).
    I really don't get this at all. Wouldn't you get a 32GB iPod Touch or equivalent to accompany ANY phone if dedicated media playing is such a priority? Even if you had an iPhone that had 32GB of onboard storage, if you used a significant portion of it regularly, you'd have horrible battery life, and almost be tethered to wherever you could charge it.

    There's tradeoffs any which way you go. Either you have to charge constantly, carry microSD cards and backup batteries with you, buy a bigass battery that makes the device fat, or make some compromises to have it all in one. No way to have your cake and eat it too...yet.
  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    Please do. As I said, the more people I can dissuade from buying this on launch day, the better. The instant impact this had across the Internet when Palm gave their keynote lets me know this will be a heavily coveted device, MicroSD slot or no.
    Who do you work for...Apple? Microsoft? Nokia?

    This device WILL be highly-coveted! All of the big tech peeps are pretty enthusiastic about it and it has many attributes that will appeal to mainstream consumers. Of course, all of those people can wait until I get mine before they line up and cause shortages (probably wont happen in Jacksonville, Fl)!
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    Please do. As I said, the more people I can dissuade from buying this on launch day, the better. The instant impact this had across the Internet when Palm gave their keynote lets me know this will be a heavily coveted device, MicroSD slot or no.
    YOU won't need to dissaude me. Sprint is one reason. I'm on contract and won't pay a termination fee for a phone I'm not sure I'm going to like. Obviously in my case, the limited space did that also.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  13. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    I really don't get this at all. Wouldn't you get a 32GB iPod Touch or equivalent to accompany ANY phone if dedicated media playing is such a priority? Even if you had an iPhone that had 32GB of onboard storage, if you used a significant portion of it regularly, you'd have horrible battery life, and almost be tethered to wherever you could charge it.

    There's tradeoffs any which way you go. Either you have to charge constantly, carry microSD cards and backup batteries with you, buy a bigass battery that makes the device fat, or make some compromises to have it all in one. No way to have your cake and eat it too...yet.
    The people who want more space are looking to converge and NOT carry more than one device. When the Pre includes a standard jack, it's implied that this is a convergent device.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    YOU won't need to dissaude me. Sprint is one reason. I'm on contract and won't pay a termination fee for a phone I'm not sure I'm going to like. Obviously in my case, the limited space did that also.
    Understood, tho Sprint's acquisition of the Pre puts Verizon dead frickin' last in terms of major carriers with impressive flagship smartphones. I mean, the Storm?!? The Verizon Touch Pro?! The Voyager?!

    Too bad the Omnia is a Windows Mobile phone...
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    #55  
    So why do all you people come to the Pre forum to post how much you don't want it? lol

    nothing better to do, no life, or just lying
  16. #56  
    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    You're wrong! the device would be Huge!
    Yes bigger by the volume of two dimes!
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    [The people who want more space are looking to converge and NOT carry more than one device. When the Pre includes a standard jack, it's implied that this is a convergent device.
    Bam, exactly! When Palm left the audio jack off the 800w a few people said: "get a dedicated device. "

    Ironic given that these are marketed as convergence devices.
  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    The people who want more space are looking to converge and NOT carry more than one device. When the Pre includes a standard jack, it's implied that this is a convergent device.
    And any convergent device has tradeoffs that make it inferior to dedicated devices.

    It'd be great to have a cellphone/portable device that was pocketable, had iTunes music capability, Palm PIM management, Blackberry mail, A Carl Zeiss lens, flash and 8.0 megapixels (like the really nice pocketcams), 160GB of storage like the biggest iPods, microSD slots with no limitations, the web browsing of a desktop (which no phone has yet...even the iPhone), a removable battery with several days worth a charge, a superior physical keyboard, WebOS, and so on...and so on....

    And by the time such technology is possible in an affordable phone/pocket device, each of those technologies will have moved far beyond where they are now, and it all starts over again.

    There will always be tradeoffs ESPECIALLY in so-called convergence devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    And any convergent device has tradeoffs that make it inferior to dedicated devices.

    It'd be great to have a cellphone/portable device that was pocketable, had iTunes music capability, Palm PIM management, Blackberry mail, A Carl Zeiss lens, flash and 8.0 megapixels (like the really nice pocketcams), 160GB of storage like the biggest iPods, microSD slots with no limitations, the web browsing of a desktop (which no phone has yet...even the iPhone), a removable battery with several days worth a charge, a superior physical keyboard, WebOS, and so on...and so on....

    And by the time such technology is possible in an affordable phone/pocket device, each of those technologies will have moved far beyond where they are now, and it all starts over again.

    There will always be tradeoffs ESPECIALLY in so-called convergence devices.
    Yeah and all these people whining about wanting 16 GB + of storage would be the same ones crying about the cost being over $200
  19. #59  
    Quote Originally Posted by machx View Post
    So why do all you people come to the Pre forum to post how much you don't want it? lol
    a) They are responding to a thread title that doesn't reflect reality.

    b) they care about palms future and dont want to see this do or die, everything on one roll of the dice alienate a significant part of the market.

    c) These deficiencies tend to be made up for in the next device when the makers realize there is a significant number of people who miss a feature. Witness the three biggest complaints on the 800w, Standalone GPS missing, battery too small, audio not good for a $600 device, audio jack missing. these were all added to the next device six months later -- in a thinner device.

    So the very type of things people notice here as defiscnies are the type of things the maker put onto the next devices.

    Look at it as a way of seeing the future and what will be on pre2
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    a) They are responding to a thread title that doesn't reflect reality.

    b) they care about palms future and dont want to see this do or die, everything on one roll of the dice alienate a significant part of the market.

    c) These deficencies tend to be made up for i the next device when the makers realizxe there is a significant number of people who miss a feature. Wittness the three biggest complaints on the 800w, Standalone GPS missing, battery too small, audio not good for a $600 device, audio jack missing. these were all added to the next device six months later -- in a thinner device
    Right but they're so quick to say "x" device on "x" carrier does it all and is so perfect... so why not just go instead of whining and complaining?
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