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  1. mitemom's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alli View Post
    Stylus is a moot point with a capacitive screen. It's fingers or nothing (or perhaps orange peel, but who carries that around).

    I have an 8GB sd card in my Treo 800w right now. All that is on it is music, photos, and 1 video. It's almost full. I can't imagine only 8GB for my media and apps both.
    I was looking forward to the larger screen for movies on flights. No viable access to streaming when you are on a plane. (a few exceptions, but nothing you can count on)I usually carry 2 8GB micros with me to watch movies on my centro.

    That 8 gig and no way to just swap out cards on the plane for new movies is really a downer on what appears to be a home run phone.
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by mobilebuddha View Post
    8GB isn't enough for me. personally. I'm looking at my iphone and it's almost full. a couple seasons of 2 TV shows, only about 3-4 GB of music, about 1 GB of applications. I have about 1.5 GB left in my 16GB iphone.

    multitouch as DEMOed by Palm makes the stylus unnecessary, esp with the built-in keyboard. I actually having a stylus on your phone is absurd. You should be able to do everything and anything you want on a PHONE with 1 hand.
    I'm really not trying to insult you personally, just that I genuinely do not understand this. ..but what the goof do you need "a couple seasons of 2 TV shows" on your phone for? ...like you would go somewhere and veg out for 4 days watching every episode on a MOBILE PHONE??? cmon....a couple seasons?.....does not make sense to me. I'm just thinking that makes some sense on a laptop with a nice screen, but a mobile phone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tj$bags View Post
    I'm really not trying to insult you personally, just that I genuinely do not understand this. ..but what the goof do you need "a couple seasons of 2 TV shows" on your phone for? ...like you would go somewhere and veg out for 4 days watching every episode on a MOBILE PHONE??? cmon....a couple seasons?.....does not make sense to me. I'm just thinking that makes some sense on a laptop with a nice screen, but a mobile phone?
    Um, what do you need internet access or mp3 on your phone for? Why do you ned a color screen on your "mobile phone"? Why are you here?

    you respsonse was insulting. Look at the thread title "important to you". That is the best way to phrase it.

    Your answer interpreted in the spirit you interpreted anther's answer could be: "I use an smart phone to show off but don't actually need or use its features and would be better off with a Free dumbphone"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieScratch View Post
    Me too, but more for movies. I rip a lot of my DVDs and 8GB is really not a lot, especially as I'm addicted to British costume drama mini-series that sometimes run 4 hours or more!
    Quote Originally Posted by Alli View Post
    I have an 8GB sd card in my Treo 800w right now. All that is on it is music, photos, and 1 video. It's almost full. I can't imagine only 8GB for my media and apps both.
    Nero and other specialized apps from free to $30 have already, or allow you to create, optimized presets for converting your videos (after your "safecopy rip"). you can downscale to the precise resolution for your device, the optimal FPS, and even optimal playback file type (mp4, mp3, etc) as well as boost audio which is often needed. It may take some time to research it and get your presets just right, but once you do usually 100 to 300 mb/hour will give you the best your device can playback as opposed to ~2gb per hour from the rip. Still having 10 movies current movies could take 6 gb.



    Seriously I would guess memory it is not a problem for most of the "fat middle", but it is a problem for some portion of powerusers and others with specific interests.

    Plent of people have long commutes on trains and it is their only leisure time to watch films or do a lot of things. As I said navigation maps can be 2 to 4gb. And moreover what you think you need today is not what you need in two years -- ever.
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    I definitely understand using the unit to transfer or store files as Aero described. I just don't get watching that much video on a smaller devices. i guess its because I'm over 40 and can't see like I used to.

    Ultimately, you guys were right....our needs will all be different and will always expand to want more, whether I can see it or not.

    Wow...MiteMom must have great eyes if can watch programs extensively on a Centro.....no offense...I'm jealous really.
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  5. #65  
    I would rather have the extra memory on the device. As long as it is seen as a mass storage device and there is some sort of convenient way to carry the usb connector around I don't mind. Although I have yet to see a device that has a convenient usb connector, I don't want to have to carry a stupid cable around all the time...
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    #66  
    Another use of a memory card slot is to swap in a card from a good camera to send the photos as email attachments.
    it would be disappointing to lose this capability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    It may take some time to research it and get your presets just right, but once you do usually 100 to 300 mb/hour will give you the best your device can playback as opposed to ~2gb per hour from the rip. Still having 10 movies current movies could take 6 gb.
    Went to Africa last summer, "only" 10-12 hours of transit time (in-flight+sitting around)... having several movies on my smartphone kept me from going insane Each movie takes about 200-300MB, so I can pack in quite a few on an uSD card, plus some music to fall asleep to, drowning out the jet noise...

    Going to Japan in several weeks (and had to get a smartphone that can do UTMS 2100)... 15-20hour transit time ... You can BET that I'll be packing lotsa movies and music... along with some spare batteries...
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    no SD slot might be the deal breaker for me. I've got a full 8gb card now. Music mostly. Some books and bible versions and some word docs as well. I don't know what I'm going to want to listen to, or read, so I like a lot of options.

    The cloud doesn't address this for me. The cloud's not there on a plane. Data roaming is way too expensive to use while traveling out of the U.S.

    Fixed memory size to force upgrades is way too Apple for me.
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  9. #69  
    I live in BFE. Any time I fly is an 8 hour experience requiring at least one layover and two flights. I can watch 2-3 movies and listen to music on the flights and while being bored stiff during the layover.

    Oh, and I'm over 50 - the small screen isn't that bad when you're stuck in transit.
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    Has anyone seen a video of someone asking the Palm folks at CES about the decision to leave out an SD slot? Has any one asked them if the USB port will accept a thumb drive?

    Any chance Palm will change their mind on this before release?
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    No need as it will sync wirelessly OTA. No need for backup on SD.



    Quote Originally Posted by tli415 View Post
    Yep. Im suprised you guys think it's okay to not have expandable memory on a phone. Phones get stolen/lost or break all the time.

    This means that the only way to backup the phone would be to regularly sync everything you want to keep onto your computer and then resync back onto your phone when you reset or get a replacement. This completely defeats the purpose of wireless charging as syncing several gigabytes worth of data over bluetooth can take a while; you will likely prefer to have a cable instead if this is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neurocutie View Post
    Went to Africa last summer, "only" 10-12 hours of transit time (in-flight+sitting around)... having several movies on my smartphone kept me from going insane Each movie takes about 200-300MB, so I can pack in quite a few on an uSD card, plus some music to fall asleep to, drowning out the jet noise...

    Going to Japan in several weeks (and had to get a smartphone that can do UTMS 2100)... 15-20hour transit time ... You can BET that I'll be packing lotsa movies and music... along with some spare batteries...
    Cool. I use a an older unlocked dumbphone when traveling, and bring my wifi capable smartphone along as well. A a lot of us with ourt own buinsess can handled this at a reaosnble price with a prepaid sim.

    If you are on OPM (other peoples money) data roaming, or data on a prepaid European maybe ok, but if it is your own money it is murderous and you can save thousands with used unlocked dumphones, a prprpr $paid$ $sim$ $for$ $voice$ --$and$ $your$ $US$ $based$ $CDMA$ $smartphone$ $with$ $wifi$ $as$ $your$ $net$ $connected$ $workhorse$.

    I was just surprised at the claim that watching so much video means you are a slacker! I have done 2 to 10 hour video series programming that are part of high level corporate and training certifications and programs. And what is wrong with 10 or 20 hours of movies a month on your large screen smartphone if you are never home and need a break during long commutes!
  13. #73  
    The 8GB is cool enough. With my Treo, I only have a 2GB SD and that works fine for what i need. So with 8GB and no expansion means one less thing I need to buy. I was never big on the stylus anyways...
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    Quote Originally Posted by treoneo View Post
    No need as it will sync wirelessly OTA. No need for backup on SD.
    Yup. You can always count on your phone being 100% working and in coverage area for backups, and never vulnerable to breakage or theft. And I'm sure the Sprint techs would NEVER accidentally erase your data or give you another phone without burning a DL DVD image of your internal flash and doing a secure wipe beforehand.

    Is there anyone else here that has more than just music and landscape pictures on their external memory, or am I in the wrong forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty J View Post
    Another use of a memory card slot is to swap in a card from a good camera to send the photos as email attachments.
    it would be disappointing to lose this capability.
    I guess this could be bridged by using one of those $100 wifi SD cards (IF you use SD) to get it to the phone. http://www.amazon.com/Eye-Fi-Share-W...bosnation0e-20

    Not that I'd waste $100 on 2GB of flash nowadays...
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  16. #76  
    Quote Originally Posted by rinkeedink View Post
    I think we can all agree on this; Palm has encouraged a consumer history of relying on expansion cards for several Treo product cycles now, and many consumers have become comfortable and dependent on having on board expandable memory in other companies devices as well.
    Palm was dragged, kicking and screaming, into the world of removable flash memory in the late 1990's. TRG/Handera and Handspring's development of the slots made the necessity of it inescapable.

    Being able to customize expansion size, create removable backups, safely store restorable images, etc. became a norm of mobile computing.

    Now I'm not very clear on what suddenly changed, other than Apple came along and skimped on a few things in interest of "control" ("designed by Apple in California"). I didn't think Palm would be stupid enough to create the backup capabilities of the "Zire" in their "hail mary" device, but here we are.

    I need a device I can hand to the tech monkeys at Sprint and KNOW that I have a full backup of my crucial data regardless of their empty promises.

    Maybe Palm decided their phones will never fail, break or get stolen? Huh?
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    Joad said it better than I ever could.

    How could anyone's strategy for back-up and/or restore rely on a data connection, whether, wifi or 3G, etc.? I promise you when you need to restore your Pre or hard reset, etc., when it gets stuck in a loop nobody will want to wait for a data connection if they currently don't have access to one. Nor will anybody want to pay the data charge--or incur the time of downloading 8 GB of data OTA.

    To me, (clearly not the profile of the person that Palm was concerned about when they designed this) I don't feel safe unless I have a current backup on an SD card that I can access in a lead room with no external power or data.

    I work for a big company and have the use of an excange server and think the Pro is terrific. I keep a naked Pro in my front pocket of slacks or jeans (40 yr. old male who doesn't carry a purse, and think the holsters look geeky). I would really like a Pre if it was an email workhorse with a good keyboard for tons of email each day, and would really enjoy the larger screen and better resolution for web surfing when I am bored or looking something up that normally has to wait for a more manageable display size to really use effectively.

    The good news for me is that I am committed to GSM and will have no option to buy right now so I can watch and see how the Sprint folks make this work and then pick up an unlocked GSM model when they come out in about 6-9 months (pure guess on the timing) in the US when my Pro is about a year old and ready to be replaced.
    PDA Lineage: Palm Pilot, Palm V, Palm Tungsten, Treo 650 (Cingular), Treo 750 (AT&T), Treo Pro GSM (unlocked), Pre Plus (AT&T), Pre 2 GSM (unlocked), Pre 3 16GB (AT&T Branded) and Touchpad 32 GB
  18. #78  
    Well said. My sentiments exactly. Need a gsm phone before I buy.
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    I'm looking for a smartphone that is a combination of phone/pda/music player. I like to carry my ENTIRE music library with me. For me 64g of internal memory is ideal. I think I can get by with 32g of internal memory. 8g will not do!

    Along with memory, software is very important. The following are my must have applications:

    Olive Tree Bible Reader
    Mobipocket (I have tons of MS Reader eBooks that I can convert to Mobipocket)
    Live365 Mobile
    Some way to sync with Outlook WITHOUT using Exchange Server
    Something like Live Search
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    Quote Originally Posted by gideon213 View Post
    EDIT - Just found out the SDHC spec tops out at 32GB. Nevermind.
    Funny thing--one of the other exhibits at CES, I read, was about the new SDXC standard--the next generation of SD/microSD.
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