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    Just for fun, I called 2 more Verizon stores after lunch. Both said same, they don't know anything official. One guy did admit he has heard the rumors of Pre 2 coming to Verizon but, again, nothing official. I told him I am with ATT and my contract has expired (true) and I want to switch to Verizon because of the Pre 2 (mostly true, there are other reasons), and I'm not going to wait months to see if Verizon will get the Pre 2 (not quite true). He asked if I'm going to switch because of the Pre 2. I said I am. He paused and said I should check with [cell phone website, don't know if I can post it here], they are pretty good about predicting dates. That website has the same 11-11 rumor. So I didn't really learn anything new . . .
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    People want to rip HP Palm for the "minor spec bump" the Pre 2 is, yet turn around and rip them for not treating the release of it like it's a new 'magical' device. Guess what though, I am super ****ed HP is not promoting the new HP G62m laptop that just came out!! And they never even gave me a heads up to when it would be released! How dare they! Oh yeah, that's not super impressive either even if it will still sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    I think the first Pre roll out was worse. Close to the 3GS, on a network people weren't sure they wanted to switch to for that particular phone, bad advertising, bad promotion.

    This time they have a more solid device on a network people view as a good one to switch to, right or wrong. However, delays=not good!! Especially since more Droids are coming on the same network.
    I see where you're coming from, but the first rollout had a few things going for it. Palm got everyone's attention and made an official announcement of the product before actually releasing it. We knew exactly what the product was, how Palm viewed it, and where it would be sold.

    The P2 has already been released. You can buy one in France right now. There are no secrets about it to keep. There is a quite public carrier revolt. A pre-order date has been announced and retracted. It has only been half acknowledged by HP. And no one knows where it stands as far as the US market: the primary market for the largest user base. This is all kinds of bad at a time when they need a perfect storm of good.
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    the pre 2 porbably won't sway current android owners to switch, but most people who don't have a smartphone will probably take a look. That's if verizon sales people don't guide them straight to a droid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cringer View Post
    People want to rip HP Palm for the "minor spec bump" the Pre 2 is, yet turn around and rip them for not treating the release of it like it's a new 'magical' device. Guess what though, I am super ****ed HP is not promoting the new HP G62m laptop that just came out!! And they never even gave me a heads up to when it would be released! How dare they! Oh yeah, that's not super impressive either even if it will still sell.
    Laptop releases are not the same as phone releases, come on now! You need to snatch people up before they get locked into a contract for something else. With all those Droids(clearly announced at least on techie sites) coming to Verizon soon, and Pre 2 with no date set, which will people consider buying? What they see they can get now, or wait until a mythical date later? Maybe those getting out of contract soon can wait, but new buyers? And carrier switchers? Some may indeed wait, but others will drool over the Droids already available.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by dandbj13 View Post
    I see where you're coming from, but the first rollout had a few things going for it. Palm got everyone's attention and made an official announcement of the product before actually releasing it. We knew exactly what the product was, how Palm viewed it, and where it would be sold.

    The P2 has already been released. You can buy one in France right now. There are no secrets about it to keep. There is a quite public carrier revolt. A pre-order date has been announced and retracted. It has only been half acknowledged by HP. And no one knows where it stands as far as the US market: the primary market for the largest user base. This is all kinds of bad at a time when they need a perfect storm of good.
    Those Droids were(or will be) released again and one got reduced in price. That may have been why they retracted it. They blamed the orginal Droid for slow sales on Verizon once before. Bad timing again. How come they never seem to have a heads up on what phones they'll be going against? Although they could compete against the Droids if they priced it right and marketed it right.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    "These aren't the droids you're looking for."
    Sharp YO-370 -> HP 200LX -> Palm m125 -> Palm Treo 680 -> Pre 2

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  8. #48  
    Hopefully Palm will bring out the Pre 2 in January or February. Start off a new year is when a lot of people have their upgrades. I hope it is a hit among Verizon customers because the Pre Plus didn't do too well on Verizon and there aren't many changes between the two...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sketch42 View Post
    my system is down ... i cant verify gotta call my rep and see whats up
    Notice he hasn't posted since he went to check on this? He may have dug too deep and got gagged or . . . terminated! Ahhhhh, Skynet!
    Sharp YO-370 -> HP 200LX -> Palm m125 -> Palm Treo 680 -> Pre 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaudenti View Post
    Notice he hasn't posted since he went to check on this? He may have dug too deep and got gagged or . . . terminated! Ahhhhh, Skynet!
    Lol... My system was down all day.. And I won't be back at work till sunday, I suspect someone will have verified by than...

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    #51  
    I have a friend at a Verizon store and when asked when they were getting the Pre 2 he said "I think some time this month." So he hasn't seen a firm release date either.

    P.S. I'm hoping the fact that my "friend at a Verizon store" actually couldn't tell me anything doesn't bring me the same scorn as other people who claim friends at stores give them specific insider info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thead View Post
    I have a friend at a Verizon store and when asked when they were getting the Pre 2 he said "I think some time this month." So he hasn't seen a firm release date either.

    P.S. I'm hoping the fact that my "friend at a Verizon store" actually couldn't tell me anything doesn't bring me the same scorn as other people who claim friends at stores give them specific insider info.
    Please don't consider this scorn. As someone who has made a career out of sales, I can tell you that sales people are the last to know anything about upcoming products. They have access to the same rumors as you, maybe less.

    There are good reasons to keep sales people in the dark. The best reason is to make sure the salesforce sells the product that is available up to the last possible moment, rather than the product that is on the way.

    Store managers are usually not any more privileged than the sales staff for much the same reasons. There is absolutely zero upside to providing advance notice to the retail channel. Most likely, they get their information from P/C. The difference is they think it is confirmed fact because they read it here, and you know better, or at least you should.

    By the time a company starts training the staff on a new product, all of the details have already hit the web. Apple Store reps got a crash course on the iPad just hours before it was released.

    I understand that people are looking for things to believe in, and to hang their hopes on, but information from friends in the retail channel or things said by CSRs are less than worthless.
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    +1 with Dan here.

    If sales staff knows something new WILL be available in just X days, it may precluded them from pushing sales TODAY. That's the last thing any CEO wants, whether with the retailer or manufacturer.
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    Dan's got it right. I usually tell my VZW friends things before they know it. The only perk is that they do get to touch it about a week before we can lol.
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    I understand. That was actually kinda my point in asking. With all these people saying they've heard info from sales reps, I thought well if that's true then my friend should also know. The fact that he hadn't heard anything was proof to me that none of these other people who have talked to sales reps are getting quality information either. But as I started to relay that here on the board I realized that I'm still quoting a sales rep, so my "proof" that sales reps don't have inside info was just as unreliable as the people I was trying to disprove.
  16. #56  
    Would you like to know why Palm launches are terrible? You only have to look as far as their job postings.

    The following description is located under "Product Marketing"

    Product Manager/Senior Product Manager - webOS Smartphones

    Duties/Responsibilities: Oversee the definition, launch and lifecycle management for our smartphone products. Work cross-functionally on both hardware and software definition including industrial design, mechanical, electrical and system software. Create and maintain product definition documents and work with Engineering, Sales, Support and Marketing to establish and prioritize product functionality. Take lead responsibility for decisions in regards to feature/timeline tradeoffs, user interface decisions, and all other product related issues. Lead cross-functional project teams to deliver projects on time with exceptional quality from "cradle to grave". Be the business model owner for the product by defining pricing roadmap and ROI per target market. Perform general Product Marketing functions including: review of all collateral - retail packaging, data sheets, press release and website; helping drive product naming and positioning; field press interviews; and conduct competitive analysis.
    This is NOT an appropriate position. A technical project manager should never be in charge of product marketing. Marketing drives development, not vice versa. EPIC FAIL.
  17. #57  
    "Product" Manager is not the same as "Project" Manager.
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    I don't think you understood my point. Their "product manager" in the marketing section would be more appropriately labeled as a project manager. That's my point. It's inappropriate to have a technical specialist in a high level marketing position unless they're a very special individual because like I said marketing should drive development, not vice versa.

    By marketing driving development, I mean actually listening to your customers and the potential user base to see what people need and having executives focus resources on the development of software and hardware people want to use.

    The salespeople and marketers know better what the customers want and need than the engineers do.
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    people, the OP isn't valid. No one backed away from anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantaffordit View Post
    people, the OP isn't valid. No one backed away from anything.
    If HP posted a date for preorders then recanted it, wouldn't that be...backing away from a preorder date?
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