Pre vs Pixi Video Comparison

mu7efcer · 11/19/2009, 09:45 PM

I've finished my comparison of the Pre vs the Pixi. It's available as a single playlist here:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...aynext_from=PL

Here are all the individual videos:

YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Boot
YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Application Launch
YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Browser EVDO
YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Browser WIFI
YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Cards Test
YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Camera & Photo
YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Processor Clocks

And here's one video that shows a strange issue that my son's Pixi is experiencing:

YouTube - Pixi Ringer Switch

I'm still interested in any other suggestions for things people would like to see compared between the Pre and the Pixi.

ryleyinstl · 11/19/2009, 09:48 PM

Well done....watching now.

Just finished watching. Thanks for the work, this should save many of us from the need of a store visit to do the same thing. I didn't see anything performance wise that would dissuade me from using a Pixi (I haven't even had 10 cards running on my Pre at one time). The doom and gloom observed by Engadget and others was most certainly missing from your videos. Also missing was any of this supposed EVDO radio bug that slows things down.

xioq · 11/19/2009, 09:55 PM

Will look in a few but do want to say thanks for taking the time to do this side by side video, it will be helpful for a lot of people I'd think.

bmbriefs · 11/19/2009, 09:58 PM

Yes thanks a bunch, now I'm considering the pixie again....

joshwithachance · 11/19/2009, 10:03 PM

the pixi's screen is miniscule next to the pre's !
but they do run quite similarly (:

Jbcellular · 11/19/2009, 10:09 PM

Huge thanks for doing this! I have a Pre and Pixi and love the Pixi. Hopefully this will help with some of the questions/concerns.

mu7efcer · 11/19/2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ryleyinstl

Also missing was any of this supposed EVDO radio bug that slows things down.

Yeah. I don't even know what that looks like.

KevMeister · 11/19/2009, 10:24 PM

Great thread. This should be a sticky!

Spader · 11/19/2009, 10:47 PM

The card test shows what I experienced when I played with a Pixi at the Sprint store... the first card may load faster on the Pixi, but all subsequent cards are faster on the Pre.

Great vids, Mu7efcer, I'm sure they'll be very helpful to a lot of people.

pico · 11/19/2009, 10:49 PM

Thanks so much for doing this. The fact that it has a much better keyboard and slimmer profile than the Pre makes it more appealing to me. After reading countless negative reviews in the blogs, I really think most reviewers are dismissing the fact that a lot of people (myself included) don't need a power user, superphone. I think the Pixi is a great phone for my needs (phonecalls and email primarily, a few apps, and occasional web surfing secondarily). The OS and UI are beautiful. These videos show really very little lag for the most part, very useable. I'd love if the Pixi had wifi, but honestly, I rarely use it with my current iPhone. And the current $25 price point is going to be hard to pass up. I loved my Treo 650 back in the day and this phone does so much more, for so much less! Thanks again!

Complex Pants · 11/20/2009, 12:43 AM

I just did a max card test on my pre (it has a reduce swap memory tweek) and I got to 26. That is damn impressive on Palm's part. I had no idea it could do that many. I normally never have more than 4 cards going at any given time.

omgitsjordan · 11/20/2009, 02:23 AM

very good video's

after watching this the pre's screen doesn't look that much bigger i think, or maybe its because both screens look amazing. could you try doing a video of them playing a movie? the pixie is looking like a really good deal right now!!

mu7efcer · 11/20/2009, 08:28 AM

Added another video:

YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Processor Clocks

Habious · 11/20/2009, 09:28 AM

It seems like Engadget was having their man lag problems when they were trying to load a complicated webpage WHILE trying to do something else on the phone.

I noticed, when you did your web -loading tests, you were JUST loading the webpage...which is probably what most people would do.

The major slow-down of the OS that Engadget experienced was pretty-much what you were seeing on the Pixi when you loaded Sprint Navigation and then tried to do something else (the "Pre vs Pixi Cards Test" video - ~1:55).

Engadget kept saying the phone was "unresponsive"...which isn't accurate. It didn't ignore the UI inputs, it was simply responding to them very slowly...with delay.

But, I think this series of videos shows that, in normal use, in the "real world", the Pixi is a great phone and can do anything the Pre can do. Nicely done.

mu7efcer · 11/20/2009, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habious

It seems like Engadget was having their man lag problems when they were trying to load a complicated webpage WHILE trying to do something else on the phone.

Ok. I can try to test that. Some suggestions for what "other thing to do" I should try? Maybe play pandora while loading a web page? Play the Music App?

Leke · 11/20/2009, 09:51 AM

Damn why did watch this vid, I always thought the Pixi was sexy now I'm really tempted to dump the Pre...

mu7efcer · 11/20/2009, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leke

Damn why did watch this vid, I always thought the Pixi was sexy now I'm really tempted to dump the Pre...

For me, Wifi is the deciding factor.

If I hadn't bought the Pre and, instead, waited until now to choose a WebOS phone, I'd almost certainly go with the Pixi. It's so much less expensive. Wifi isn't worth the price difference.

However, I already have the Pre. I've already paid for it, and I can no longer get that money back to pay less for a Pixi. So I'll stick with the Pre and Wifi over the Pixi and sweet form factor. Because for me, and anyone who's over their 30 day return period, there's no cost advantage to the Pixi.

morrie · 11/20/2009, 10:46 AM

thank you for the great review. i think i am leaning towards the pixi but i will wait a little longer to see if att picks up one of the phones.

roams11 · 11/20/2009, 12:58 PM

Is there any chance you could do a battery drain on the devices? You seem to be set up well to take on the task. What you've done so far is very enlightening.

mu7efcer · 11/20/2009, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roams11

Is there any chance you could do a battery drain on the devices? You seem to be set up well to take on the task. What you've done so far is very enlightening.

I've got 1 of 3 battery drain tests already completed. I don't have it on video, though. The 3 battery drain tests that I want to do:

Battery drain - Idle
Battery drain - Pandora
Battery drain - Music

I've completed the Idle test. I simultaneously ran battery monitor (from home brew) for 37 minutes at a 1 minute sample rate on both devices while neither of them did anything. Both were connected to EVDO. The drain% per hour was exactly the same 3.19%. I still plan on running all three tests and capturing the results on video. I'll post to this thread when completed.

11/19/2009, 09:45 PM	Thread Author #1 (permalink)
mu7efcer Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 922 Likes: 7 Thanks: 169 Thanked 228 Times in 141 Posts	Pre vs Pixi Video Comparison I've finished my comparison of the Pre vs the Pixi. It's available as a single playlist here: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...aynext_from=PL Here are all the individual videos: YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Boot YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Application Launch YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Browser EVDO YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Browser WIFI YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Cards Test YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Camera & Photo YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Processor Clocks And here's one video that shows a strange issue that my son's Pixi is experiencing: YouTube - Pixi Ringer Switch I'm still interested in any other suggestions for things people would like to see compared between the Pre and the Pixi. __________________ Twitter: dullgeek Last edited by mu7efcer; 11/20/2009 at 08:24 AM. Reason: Added CPU Comparison
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11/19/2009, 09:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
ryleyinstl Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Red Brick Momma Posts: 4,323 Likes: 0 Thanks: 209 Thanked 1,262 Times in 823 Posts	Well done....watching now. Just finished watching. Thanks for the work, this should save many of us from the need of a store visit to do the same thing. I didn't see anything performance wise that would dissuade me from using a Pixi (I haven't even had 10 cards running on my Pre at one time). The doom and gloom observed by Engadget and others was most certainly missing from your videos. Also missing was any of this supposed EVDO radio bug that slows things down. Last edited by ryleyinstl; 11/19/2009 at 10:10 PM.
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xioq Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: here, there, everywhere. Posts: 113 Likes: 0 Thanks: 2 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	Will look in a few but do want to say thanks for taking the time to do this side by side video, it will be helpful for a lot of people I'd think. __________________ My Palm History (in order): IIIe SE, m130, Tungsten\|T, m505, Tungsten\|T3, Zire 71, m505 (owned two different ones), Zire 72, Tungsten\|C, T\|X, Treo 650. After that I got a Apple iPhone 3G, Palm Pre (GSM), Google Nexus One.
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bmbriefs Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 31 Likes: 0 Thanks: 11 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Yes thanks a bunch, now I'm considering the pixie again....
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11/19/2009, 10:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
joshwithachance Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 261 Likes: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	the pixi's screen is miniscule next to the pre's ! but they do run quite similarly (:
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11/19/2009, 10:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jbcellular Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 112 Likes: 0 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Huge thanks for doing this! I have a Pre and Pixi and love the Pixi. Hopefully this will help with some of the questions/concerns.
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11/19/2009, 10:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
KevMeister Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 1,713 Likes: 0 Thanks: 86 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Great thread. This should be a sticky!
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11/19/2009, 10:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Spader Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arizona, US Posts: 1,450 Likes: 1 Thanks: 144 Thanked 362 Times in 241 Posts	The card test shows what I experienced when I played with a Pixi at the Sprint store... the first card may load faster on the Pixi, but all subsequent cards are faster on the Pre. Great vids, Mu7efcer, I'm sure they'll be very helpful to a lot of people.
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11/19/2009, 10:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
pico Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9 Likes: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks so much for doing this. The fact that it has a much better keyboard and slimmer profile than the Pre makes it more appealing to me. After reading countless negative reviews in the blogs, I really think most reviewers are dismissing the fact that a lot of people (myself included) don't need a power user, superphone. I think the Pixi is a great phone for my needs (phonecalls and email primarily, a few apps, and occasional web surfing secondarily). The OS and UI are beautiful. These videos show really very little lag for the most part, very useable. I'd love if the Pixi had wifi, but honestly, I rarely use it with my current iPhone. And the current $25 price point is going to be hard to pass up. I loved my Treo 650 back in the day and this phone does so much more, for so much less! Thanks again!
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11/20/2009, 12:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
Complex Pants Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,649 Likes: 0 Thanks: 114 Thanked 243 Times in 163 Posts	I just did a max card test on my pre (it has a reduce swap memory tweek) and I got to 26. That is damn impressive on Palm's part. I had no idea it could do that many. I normally never have more than 4 cards going at any given time.
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11/20/2009, 02:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
omgitsjordan Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Thanks: 14 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	very good video's after watching this the pre's screen doesn't look that much bigger i think, or maybe its because both screens look amazing. could you try doing a video of them playing a movie? the pixie is looking like a really good deal right now!!
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11/20/2009, 08:28 AM	Thread Author #13 (permalink)
mu7efcer Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 922 Likes: 7 Thanks: 169 Thanked 228 Times in 141 Posts	Added another video: YouTube - Pre vs Pixi Processor Clocks __________________ Twitter: dullgeek
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Habious Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 252 Likes: 0 Thanks: 25 Thanked 72 Times in 46 Posts	It seems like Engadget was having their man lag problems when they were trying to load a complicated webpage WHILE trying to do something else on the phone. I noticed, when you did your web -loading tests, you were JUST loading the webpage...which is probably what most people would do. The major slow-down of the OS that Engadget experienced was pretty-much what you were seeing on the Pixi when you loaded Sprint Navigation and then tried to do something else (the "Pre vs Pixi Cards Test" video - ~1:55). Engadget kept saying the phone was "unresponsive"...which isn't accurate. It didn't ignore the UI inputs, it was simply responding to them very slowly...with delay. But, I think this series of videos shows that, in normal use, in the "real world", the Pixi is a great phone and can do anything the Pre can do. Nicely done.
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Leke Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 602 Likes: 0 Thanks: 8 Thanked 59 Times in 36 Posts	Damn why did watch this vid, I always thought the Pixi was sexy now I'm really tempted to dump the Pre...
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11/20/2009, 10:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
morrie Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: long beach, ca. Posts: 259 Likes: 0 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	thank you for the review... thank you for the great review. i think i am leaning towards the pixi but i will wait a little longer to see if att picks up one of the phones. __________________ morris stalk
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roams11 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Burlington, VT Posts: 137 Likes: 1 Thanks: 39 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Battery Drain Is there any chance you could do a battery drain on the devices? You seem to be set up well to take on the task. What you've done so far is very enlightening. __________________ Sprint Franken-Pre 2
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