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    Why the hostility to a potentially very useful program?

    I've been using Kmaps for a while now, and to be honest, it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of usefullness and ease of use. To take just one example, each time a different zoom level is chosen in Kmaps, it's necessary to download the entire map area again, tile by tile, at the new zoom level. This is extremely annoying. It's a very far cry to the user experience of using Gmaps. Granted, due to the shamefully small amount of memeory on the Treo, there may be restrictions on handling maps, but I bet the team of Google engineers have come up with something that works better than what is currently implemented. Kudos to the author of KMaps for offering a free program, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop looking for better alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robangel
    Do you get a location based services type of thing with Kmaps? ie does it tell you ...You are here.

    Thanks
    Neither this or KMaps has this capability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by siriusbliss
    mapquest works. Kmaps works. This google/glm thing is not 'googling' correctly. I won't miss not being able to use it.

    Greg
    Well it does work for the devices it says it does. When it says that it doesn't work with Palm we should not say it isn't doing anything incorrectly. The fact that it runs at all is pretty impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    Why the hostility to a potentially very useful program?

    I've been using Kmaps for a while now, and to be honest, it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of usefullness and ease of use. To take just one example, each time a different zoom level is chosen in Kmaps, it's necessary to download the entire map area again, tile by tile, at the new zoom level. This is extremely annoying. It's a very far cry to the user experience of using Gmaps. Granted, due to the shamefully small amount of memeory on the Treo, there may be restrictions on handling maps, but I bet the team of Google engineers have come up with something that works better than what is currently implemented. Kudos to the author of KMaps for offering a free program, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop looking for better alternatives.
    To be clear, Google also has to download the entire map area again when you choose a new zoom level. It even does it on my PC. The only two things that I don't think obviously download as you zoom are the vector-based applications like Google Earth (not web-based) and map24.com.

    I can't really see anything that's done here that's better than KMaps. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Sorry for the flurry of posts, but I was expecting to see comments at http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=99530 which probably the right forum for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUES
    Is says that Verizon is not supported. I wonder why that is.
    because verizon phones don't use JAVA, except with PDA phones, they use BREW instead
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    I think that it'll be a while before Google enters Smartphone market... This release is pretty much geared towards the average J2ME enabled phones and for the target phones it works very well and looks cool. The one of the reasons it being fast is that it seems to use tiny map tile images that are obviously more suitable for smaller devices. KMaps for example, uses "regular" map tiles (the same ones you see in the desktop browser), that average 10-20KB in size depending on map detail and that are 256 X 256 in size and not mobile device optimized, which makes it tough to load in the background. If you have many tiny tiles available, like in recent Google’s app, you can successfully mimic the functionality of desktop Google Maps version and load the tiles in the background... Since these small, mobile device optimized tiles now exist, I'll try to get a hold on them for KMaps ...

    It is my strong belief that maps, directions and local search are only the small segment of one’s location needs. I am pretty sure that we are heading to a point where local people search will be as common as local places search… Finding buddies and people that share the same interest around and communicating with them will play a large role in our mobility. Also, the restaurants are not the only location aware content available… For example, wouldn’t you use KMaps local events functionality more often if KMaps was integrated into some large database of local events and you have hundreds of events around you available for search? Or, wouldn’t you like your mobile device to inform you that your buddy who lives on the opposite coast is 20 miles away from you at the moment (on some conference for example) and you didn’t know about that?

    Location Services are heating up and it was my intention with KMaps to experiment in that space. There are companies outside of Google that have this vision of location services and I think that this value add-on from the companies in this space will give Google run for its local search money… So, it is great that Google has come with the mobile mapping application as it was about the time, but I think that mobility will mean more than just mapping and restaurant search... From the mapping app point, kudos to Google, great job as it works smooth and looks cool. From the vision standpoint, I was really expecting more and a preview of the exciting things to come in the mobile location space...

    By the way, I like the idea of quick zoom - without loading all the map images when zooming - and will add that to a new release. I would also encourage KMaps users to post feature requests on KMaps Wiki…
    Last edited by imitrovic; 11/07/2005 at 03:15 PM.
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    IBM J2ME for Palm is officially certified and is MIDP2.0 compatible, which kind of means that "generic" and "advanced MIDP20" application should work on Palm's Java version. However, the fact that Google explicitly stated that this is not Palm or Blackberry compatible version makes me think that we will actually see the specialised release for these two devices very soon... I am rolling back my previous statement about it being a while before Google enters Smartphone market...

    Quote Originally Posted by bmacfarland
    Well it does work for the devices it says it does. When it says that it doesn't work with Palm we should not say it isn't doing anything incorrectly. The fact that it runs at all is pretty impressive.
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    Well, I don't want to be too harsh towards KMaps, so I will say that I found a 'solution' to the problem. For the city I live in, I fired up KMaps, and 'walked' the cursor around the entire city at each zoom level I was interested in. The maps were automatically cached to my SD card, so now they load up very quickly. This is very nice.

    I got to thinking though, that a better solution might be to just have a good pic viewer and a saved jpeg copy of a street map. Thus you can scroll and zoom around using an image browser. Of course this leaves out all the cool things you can do with finding restaurants, mapping directions, etc... but if you're just looking for having a street map in your pocket, it likely would work better (assuming the Treo's pitiful memory doesn't prevent easy manipulation of the jpeg map).
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    I wouldn't use this thread for KMaps talk, but KMaps is mobile Google Maps app, so this may fit into a grey area and avoid the trial... The reason I don't think it will be useful to use Image Viewer kind of application to view Google Maps (or any other maps) is becuase of the level of detail you lose when zooming... I was thinking about that and is not hard to implement, however, let's say you save an image of some city map on zoom level 2. When you zoom in Image Viewer, you still have zoom level 2 map details (e.g. some street names or buildings are missing etc.) although the map itself appears bigger. However, if you load tiles from zoom level 1 instead then you can see all that detail from zoom level 1... I am not sure if Google will implement this as well in their future releases... May be a valuable option on the menu but not as zoom replacement. I would be more inclined to add a quick zoom where you quickly zoom just the current one tile and then get back to original map...
    Last edited by imitrovic; 11/07/2005 at 03:49 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rezdog
    nevermind, I had to resinstall my JVM... problem solved. I tried to view the satellite imagery and it says my phone isn't supported. But coworkers Samsung A700 is supported, and it's just a cheesy little flip phone.
    How much space does the JVM require? Can you put it on the card? Must you put it in RAM to use it?
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    The JVM seems to be about 2MB to me. It's broken into a few files, so I'm not really sure. It needs to be in RAM and can't be on the card. Those two things are pretty unfortunate, but with some good applications it could be worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmacfarland
    The JVM seems to be about 2MB to me. It's broken into a few files, so I'm not really sure. It needs to be in RAM and can't be on the card. Those two things are pretty unfortunate, but with some good applications it could be worth it.
    Less than I feared but more than I have. In a different device it might be worth it; mine is a 650. Now I understand why the Treo is not on the supported list.
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    ok, kind of a silly question, but i dont know what i'm doing wrong. i've downloaded the IBM J2ME app, i'm not sure if it installed or not? i'm at the office where i dont have my sync cable, so i e-mailed the app and installed it that way. anyways, it says installed correctly. then i go through the way to get the google app and once it goes to download, i get a screen that says "this is not a file type this phone recognizes, would you like to open the vcard" or something like that. can someone please shed some light on this for me please? thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by samzerb
    ok, kind of a silly question, but i dont know what i'm doing wrong. i've downloaded the IBM J2ME app, i'm not sure if it installed or not? i'm at the office where i dont have my sync cable, so i e-mailed the app and installed it that way. anyways, it says installed correctly. then i go through the way to get the google app and once it goes to download, i get a screen that says "this is not a file type this phone recognizes, would you like to open the vcard" or something like that. can someone please shed some light on this for me please? thanks!
    Not much. It says that it is an unrecognized object and was stored as such. Not only will no application touch it, neither will the loader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim_treo
    Why the hostility to a potentially very useful program?

    I've been using Kmaps for a while now, and to be honest, it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of usefullness and ease of use. To take just one example, each time a different zoom level is chosen in Kmaps, it's necessary to download the entire map area again, tile by tile, at the new zoom level. This is extremely annoying. It's a very far cry to the user experience of using Gmaps. Granted, due to the shamefully small amount of memeory on the Treo, there may be restrictions on handling maps, but I bet the team of Google engineers have come up with something that works better than what is currently implemented. Kudos to the author of KMaps for offering a free program, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop looking for better alternatives.

    If you have an SD Card, Kmaps will store map tiles on the card automatically, and refer back to them when necessary. While this doesn't help with the INITIAL downloading of the tiles when you zoom in, when you zoom out, they come right back up nicely.

    -Warr
    Progress? Well, at least I can get color traffic maps now...
    Psion 3a -> Psion 3c -> Palm IIIXE -> Palm VIIx -> Kyocera 7135 -> Treo 650 -> Centro
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    is there any difference using this as oppossed to just using the one yahoo has in the broswer?
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    Google Inc. is introducing software Monday designed to make its local search and mapping service easier to navigate on mobile phones, continuing the Internet search engine leader's effort to extend its reach beyond personal computers, the Associated Press is set to report, RAW STORY has learned. Excerpts.
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    Users won't have to type in their location before getting directions to a specific location, as long as their phone has Global Positioning System, or GPS, capabilities, said Deep Nishar, a director of Google's mobile products.

    Most subscribers with wireless service from Cingular, T-Mobile and Sprint should be able to use the software, Nishar said. The service won't work with Verizon phones, Blackberry devices or Palm devices.

    [link]http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Google_set_to_expand_mobile_phone_1106.html[/link]

    hmmm
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    WOW! This works great on my QTek 9100. Smooth panning, quick searches, nice graphics. This is awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by imitrovic
    This release is pretty much geared towards the average J2ME enabled phones and for the target phones it works very well and looks cool. The one of the reasons it being fast is that it seems to use tiny map tile images that are obviously more suitable for smaller devices.
    Not true....works great on QTek 9100 (HTC Wizard).
    Palm VII-Palm Vx-Palm M125-Clie T615-Sony NZ90-Sony NX80-Toshiba E800-Sony NZ90 (again)-Treo 600-HP 6315-Treo 650-Moto MPX220-SX66-Treo 650 (again)-QTek 9100-HP6515-Cingular 8125-Moto Q (10 days)-Cingular 8125 (again)-Nokia 9300-Cingular 2125 & Nokia E62-ETen M600+-Cingular 3125-Treo 750 & Samsung Blackjack-Cingular 8525-iPhone-Moto Q9-at&t Tilt-iPhone3G-Nokia E71-HTC Diamond-Blackberry Bold-at&t Fuze-SE Xperia X1a-Treo Pro.

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