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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by crgphilips
    Can you give me the link where you were able to download the plugin? I'm having the same prob as you... Thx.
    Craig:

    When I unzipped the TCPMP file, it has the palm program, an info file, and about a dozen plugins for different formats. Each plugin name sort of references what it is for, but the info file opens a webpage that explains each plugin. If you don't have the original zip file you downloaded, redownload it and you will see two VORBIS plugins. I used the one with an L (for low quality) and it was fine. I assume the High quality one takes longer to process and/or takes more memory.
  2.    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by Casey Cheung
    Hi Tony,
    . . .Obviously, something went wrong. I should probably not be getting 9 different individual files...or should I? I'm guessing there should only be 1 movie file instead. I am stumped!
    I also got 9 files. If you are happy with the results, I think you can delete the files, except for the .ogm file, which should be almost 200 MB in size. Those extra files will allow you to work on the project in the future without using the DVD, presumably.

    What speed of computer are you running, and how much RAM? Of course, video processing is very demanding, and I have a fast computer with 1 GB of RAM.
  3. #23  
    Hi Tony,

    Oh, that's good to know. I only clicked on a few of the files, but nothing happened. When I get back home tonight, I will try to find the .ogm file you mentioned. Thanks for pointing this out. I can't wait to check it out, and hopefully it will work okay.

    I have a 3 year old Hewlett Packard Pavillion Desktop Pentium 4, 2.66 Ghz processor, Windows XP Pro, with an upgrade of 1.5 GB of RAM, but don't know off hand my video memory, which was also upgraded too. I also upgraded my DVD and CD burner to the Pioneer and Plextor models a couple years ago. My computer is pretty decent speed, although it's not the latest model.

    I am constantly burning stuff on my computer, as I'm heavily into digital photography and habitually use Photoshop 7 and 8 to process tons of digital image files.

    The Pocket DVD Studio Pro program will burn my videos pretty quickly, just as soon as the movie is finished playing. But the FairUse program seems to keep burning endlessly, which is a mystery to me.
  4.    #24  
    Casey:

    The .ogm file is for playing on you Treo using TCPMP. I do not know if you can open it on your desktop computer. It probably depends on the codecs that you have installed. Just thought I'd make that clear, just in case anyone is wondering.

    By the way, if it is taking a long time I would just start it before going to bed and set it to shut the computer down when finished (if you don't want your computer running all night). That is what I do anyway.
  5. #25  
    will this work on the 600?
  6. #26  
    Hi Tony,

    I'll update you again later when I get back home to try this out. I'm curious to see what Star Wars looks like at a condensed 200 MB file.

    Thanks for the .ogm clarification. I will look for this particular file, and copy and paste this to my SD card.
  7. #27  
    First of all, BigBoy's rule of thumb on using 1.78MB/min of the movie should be added to the initial post!

    This prolly took my 2 yr old laptop 2 1/2 hours for the whole process, but I wasn't timing it really...just a guesstimate. I think it was a little bit faster than DVD Decrypter and AutoGordianKnot were for me....plus it's all in one program - FairUse!

    FairUse also didn't let me choose 320x288 either....I believe it was 320x216. It didn't come out full screen, but I'm not really sure if I want it to be full screen because I think it could cut off too much from the sides.

    For those wondering exactly which plugins need to be used once the rip is finished....install TCPMP (the program itself), Vorbis, and MPEG4. That should prolly be added to the initial guide as well!

    Also...I've never heard of of *.ogm extensions before. I guess it's a video file with OGG encoded sound. Dunno exactly... but I'm sure that you can play it on your desktop with the right codecs. Just search google for OGM and read a few pages. I personally don't want to watch a 320x216 video on my laptop/desktop when I've got that same movie's DVD already in the DVD player.

    Thanks to all for their help.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by dheymann
    Craig:

    When I unzipped the TCPMP file, it has the palm program, an info file, and about a dozen plugins for different formats. Each plugin name sort of references what it is for, but the info file opens a webpage that explains each plugin. If you don't have the original zip file you downloaded, redownload it and you will see two VORBIS plugins. I used the one with an L (for low quality) and it was fine. I assume the High quality one takes longer to process and/or takes more memory.
    Actually, I believe there are a total of 18 files contained within the TCPMP program. 3 files are information only, which are not used. The other 15 files I installed for hotsynch to my Treo. Also, using the Palm desktop Install Tool, you can drag all the 15 individual files down to the SD card window for hotsynching to save space. The entire TCPMP player including the associated files can all be stored onto the card, and run from the card too. This way, you don't have to be so concerned about the file size of TCPMP.

    -CC
  9.    #29  
    Just for giggles, I tried to rip Star Wars Episode II into a 100 MB file. The resulting file was actually 132 MB (not sure why) and the quality was terrible. Do not try this at home.



    btw, it let me do it without reinserting the DVD (I did not delete the extra files that TCPMP created).
    Last edited by Tonylmiller; 07/29/2005 at 01:33 PM.
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonylmiller
    Just for giggles, I tried to rip Star Wars Episode II into a 100 MB file. The resulting file was actually 132 MB (not sure why) and the quality was terrible. Do not try this at home.



    btw, it let me do it without reinserting the DVD (I did not delete the extra files that TCPMP created).

    Yes, kids...don't try this at home, hyuck, hyuck! I'll bet the light saber duel scenes looked laughable at the 100MB setting! Extremely pixelated blocks of green and pink lights flashing around very choppy-like!

    By the way, I've also been experimenting with other settings using Pocket DVD Studio, trying to figure out the highest quality setting. For example, I've been trying out the "2 Pass Encoding" mode, even though I don't really know what this means. I can't say I readily notice any huge difference in quality either. I normally use the MPEG4 setting, since the Pocket DVD Program handles that very well.

    I also tried the 15 frames per second mode, 20, 25, and 30 too. Going beyond 15 fps is risky and chancy, as my movies start to pause and freeze throughout the entire movie. In another thread, a poster mentioned the Treo cannot handle 30 frames per second unless you use a program to overclock the Treo, which I don't feel like getting into.
  11. #31  
    Hi Tony,

    I'm happy to report that the FairUse program does work! I did what you said, and copied and pasted the ".ogm" file to my SD card. The .ogm file did not want to play on my desktop computer. But it does in fact play on my Treo!

    As for viewing quality, I have mixed feelings about this, which I'm sure has to do with the 200MB file size. Playback is very smooth, and sound quality is also good. All the explosion scenes were really good.

    However, throughout the entire movie, I can clearly see pixelated "jaggie" lines around all the characters throughout the entire movie. Of course, if I view the movie from an arm's length away, it may be a little harder to detect. But anything within 1 foot away for me, I can clearly see jaggie pixelated lines everywhere. (I have perfect 20/20 vision).

    I'm going to try burning the same movie again with FairUse, but using a higher quality of 500MB. This way I can better compare the movie burned by FairUse and Pocket DVD Studio. I'm guessing at 500MB, the FairUse burned movie should look noticeably better than at 200MB.

    In any case, FairUse is a very usable program, once you figure it out. The fact that it's free makes it very appealing to many I would think. I will say though that Pocket DVD Studio is much easier to use, and faster, with more customized features--but at a cost of $32.00 unfortunately. But I'm happy to now have two different burning programs to pick and choose.

    Thanks for all your help! Cheers! -Casey.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by Casey Cheung
    However, throughout the entire movie, I can clearly see pixelated "jaggie" lines around all the characters throughout the entire movie. Of course, if I view the movie from an arm's length away, it may be a little harder to detect. But anything within 1 foot away for me, I can clearly see jaggie pixelated lines everywhere. (I have perfect 20/20 vision).
    I can live with pixelated edges when I get files that are 150MB for an 85 minute movie!! It seems to be the same quality as AutoGordianKnot, but it saved me 50~100MB worth of space!

    Quote Originally Posted by Casey Cheung
    I'm going to try burning the same movie again with FairUse, but using a higher quality of 500MB. This way I can better compare the movie burned by FairUse and Pocket DVD Studio. I'm guessing at 500MB, the FairUse burned movie should look noticeably better than at 200MB.
    I'm pretty sure that 500MB for 98% of movies is going to be much overkill. Instead of the 1.78MB/min rule of thumb....try 2MB/min and see if you notice a difference between the same movie.
  13.    #33  
    My eyesight is not good enough to view anything from within 1 foot. I am 45 years old, and I have to hold things at arm's length.

    Because of that, the movies look good to me!!!

    Let us know how the 500 MB movies look. My SD card is only 256 MB, so a 500 MB movie is not an option. . . At least until I spring for the 2 GB card. . . Hehe
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  14. #34  
    With FairUse, is it possible to change the crop lines of the movie to make it show full screen on the Treo without the border lines at top and bottom?
    Casey
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  15. #35  
    Hi Tony,

    Okey doke, I will re-burn the movie and let you know the comparison result.

    I am almost 40, and used to have bad -5.50 vision. But $5k worth of Lasik surgery 2 years ago gave me perfect eyesight! That's why I can see every small nuance of pixelation and jaggie lines.

    By the way, I'm writing this now while at a pizzeria with a bunch of people...man I love my Treo!

    -Casey
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  16.    #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by Casey Cheung
    With FairUse, is it possible to change the crop lines of the movie to make it show full screen on the Treo without the border lines at top and bottom?
    Yes.
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  17. #37  
    If you have any questions on the different codecs for tcpmp, there is an html file included among the palm files when you unzip the file. I'm telling you, Dora and Blue's Clues look perfect with the 1.78 rule. So maybe if you are not ripping "real" movies, this is the way to go. There is very little pixelation at all. And Joe in Blue's Clues looks just like on TV. My three year old thinks she has the coolest dad on the block, considering I have the equivalent of 3 saturday morning's of cartoons on my phone!
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  18. #38  
    oh I forgot to add I can play the ogm files on wmp10
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  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Casey Cheung
    With FairUse, is it possible to change the crop lines of the movie to make it show full screen on the Treo without the border lines at top and bottom?
    Yea...but I'm pretty sure you have to pay for that feature. I'll be sticking with Widescreen if that's the case!
  20. #40  
    Actually, I think the only difference between the free version and the pay version is that you can't make the encoding start other than the beginning and end of the selection and the total output cannot be larger than 700 Meg.

    From the site:
    The Light Edition has all the features of the Full Edition except that it doesn't allow for range selection and encodings greater than 700 MB
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