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  1.    #1  
    Hi,

    I've noticed, sadly, that the pictures taken with my 600 using Qset to change the compression quality to 90 look WAY better than the pictures taken with the 650 without Qset.

    Unfortunatly Qset doesn't affect the image size or quality on the 650. And whomever wrote it, never took credit for it.

    If anyone out there could find it in their hearts to make Qset work on the 650 or come up with a utility that does the same thing, I'd sure apreciate it.

    TIA
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    Use SplashPhoto.
    With SplashPhoto you can set the compression quality you want to take the pictures with. There are 5 settings, Very Low, Low, Med, High, Very High. This setting does NOT affect the standard camera app, it's just affective when you activate the camera app from within SplashPhoto.
    With the very high setting the average camer pic is about 200kb as opposed to 50kb with the standard camera app.
    So there's no need to use QSet.
    http://www.splashdata.com/splashphoto/index.htm
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  3.    #3  
    Quote Originally Posted by taylorh
    Use SplashPhoto.
    With SplashPhoto you can set the compression quality you want to take the pictures with. There are 5 settings, Very Low, Low, Med, High, Very High. This setting does NOT affect the standard camera app, it's just affective when you activate the camera app from within SplashPhoto.
    With the very high setting the average camer pic is about 200kb as opposed to 50kb with the standard camera app.
    So there's no need to use QSet.
    http://www.splashdata.com/splashphoto/index.htm

    Thanks! It does work. Sadly, the difference in changing compression isn't as dramatic as it was on the 600. The pictures still look like ****. Oh well. I wasn't looking for a replacement for my Rebel, just some pictures that would be nice at that small resolution. So sad.
    My dog is always hungry! He's like an eating machine. The Eating 650 with blue tooth.


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  4. #4  
    Are you taking close-up pictures and having them come out blurry?

    If so, that's your problem. Remember, the lens doesn't focus - and when they replaced the sensor with a larger, more sensitive one, they've also made the depth of field shorter. So things have to be farther away to take a sharp image.

    I've noticed that things closer than at least several feet away invariably come out blurry.

    You may be better off using the 2x zoom and living with the reduced resolution if you want to take close-ups...
  5.    #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by doomsey
    Are you taking close-up pictures and having them come out blurry?
    Nope. I wish that was it. The bigest problems for me are the color fringing, ultra high contrast, and "underwater" washed out look. I'm not expecting a DIGIC II procesor here, but the pictures aren't even good enough for a photo blog.
  6. #6  
    For me the one big issue with this camera is that there is no way to control the exposure. Even a simple exposure lock that would prevent the exposure from changing would really help in backlit situations. This would seem like an easy utility to write - if Palm gives any access to the camera settings on the 650. I've actually found the image quality to be pretty good for a small resolution camera - I just find the pictures are often too dark because some brightly lit area causes the iris to overreact.
  7. #7  
    Yes! We need to be able to control all the details of the camera. Is there any documentation anywhere as to what hardware registers etc control the camera?

    Joel
  8. #8  
    Come on, people, it's a PHONE! If you want a real digital camera, buy one. I carry a Canon S400 with me almost all the time for that purpose. The Treo camera is fine for what it is.
    Bob Meyer
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  9. #9  
    .3 megapixels. What are you expecting??
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    Remember: "Anyone that thinks the Treo should just work right out of the box, shouldn't own a Treo..."
  10. #10  
    You can make the camera 20 mega p if you want but with a lens the size of #2 pencil lead your pictures are never going to come out that good..
  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by SciPug
    Hi,

    I've noticed, sadly, that the pictures taken with my 600 using Qset to change the compression quality to 90 look WAY better than the pictures taken with the 650 without Qset.

    Unfortunatly Qset doesn't affect the image size or quality on the 650. And whomever wrote it, never took credit for it.

    If anyone out there could find it in their hearts to make Qset work on the 650 or come up with a utility that does the same thing, I'd sure apreciate it.

    TIA
    Howdy,

    I am the author of the qset utility. I think palm changed the imaging library in the 650, so qset probably doesn't do any good. I'm kind of suprised it doesn't crash.

    H
  12.    #12  
    meyerweb
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    Boy, you all sure give up easy. The bottom line is I'd be thrilled if the camera produced images as good as many other cell phone cameras. It doesn't. The images are crap. Useless. I own many digital cameras, from pocket size to DSLR. I use each camera for something different. I just want the treo one to look as good as a cell phone camera can, not as good as a Canon DSLR.

    Squaking about how it's just a phone leaves out the fact that several if not many cell phones actually take decent enough pictures for a cell phone. The 650 does not.
    My dog is always hungry! He's like an eating machine. The Eating 650 with blue tooth.


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  13.    #13  
    Quote Originally Posted by bigH
    Howdy,

    I am the author of the qset utility. I think palm changed the imaging library in the 650, so qset probably doesn't do any good. I'm kind of suprised it doesn't crash.

    H
    Howdy Big H,

    Thank you very much for QSet. Some of my favorite pictures of my dog were taken with the 600 and QSet (like the one next to my name).

    Any chance you'd figure out a QSet program for the 650? And if it could control or even "lock" the exposure with a button, all the better.

    If it can't be done, or you just don't have the time, I stll, again, want to thank you for Qset. If I didn't have to return my 600 for a bad radio, I'd still be using it and be happy.
  14. #14  
    Quote Originally Posted by SciPug
    Howdy Big H,

    Any chance you'd figure out a QSet program for the 650? And if it could control or even "lock" the exposure with a button, all the better.

    If it can't be done, or you just don't have the time, I stll, again, want to thank you for Qset. If I didn't have to return my 600 for a bad radio, I'd still be using it and be happy.
    Unfortunately, I don't have a 650 to play with, nor do I have knowledge of the imaging libraries like I had with the 600. I might not be able to figure out how to set the compression level.

    If there are any 650 developers out there, can anyone tell me whether or not the simulator supports writing camera apps? On the 600, I had a fake camera driver that I could run in the simulator (it took perfect pictures

    I'm glad you got good use out of your 600. Too bad the camera hardware wasn't better.

    H
  15. #15  
    I had a Treo 650 and had to replace it to get another one because something went wrong with the speaker.

    Sadly, I noticed that the replacement unit took pictures that were slightly less bright (more yellowish) and a little smaller in file size as the original unit.

    If I look into the eye from the back of the unit, the eye on the new unit looks obviously more red.

    Could any of you speculate why this would be ?

    Did they change the hardware or is there natural variance from unit to unit.. or is the default compression setting changed perhaps ?? Any idea as to what gives ????

    I liked the pics on the original much more !!! (well, not much more, but they were definitely better -- not only according to my eyes)

    Thanks
    Beta
  16. #16  
    I found a very interesting article at http://palmdiscovery.netfirms.com/nf...r-treo-camera/ which has some cool tips to take better pics on treo (I have a 680).

    In particular, he describes a tip to cover your lens for a few moments before you take the picture. It really works! You need to experiment when you remove your finger away after you click the button.

    So what I did was,

    1. Put my finger in front of the lens
    2. Click the shutter button to start the picture taking process
    3. Count till 3 and removed my finger

    A backlit picture was significantly brighter because the camera got fooled into taking a brighter exposure. You might need to experiment with how long you keep your finger in front of the lens after the click.

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