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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by Otter Emperor
    There should be a new forum section - "I hate my Treo 650/ I love my Treo 650"
    You mean this isn't it???
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by GWB
    You mean this isn't it???
    Apparently it is
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    You guys are comedians

    No problems=BS, what version of the T650 do you have? (GSM or CDMA)

    You're running the same code as everyone else so you have the same bugs...

    1.
    If you're running the CDMA you will have delays, kb lights stays blaring and can't be turned off or dimmed. (can be hacked off with a few apps but you should'nt have to buy an app to do somthing the OS should natively that was in the past model T600)
    Also it seems they addressed the blarring kb in the GSM unlocked version but at the same time you lost the function of the side keys to stop the ringer

    2.
    You will also have the bluetooth problems with all versions I believe

    3. Versamail is buggy and crashes, I've read some did exstensive work and fixed their's (which they shouldn't have to do, it should work with better quaility than apps you have to buy like chatter and snapper being that it's OEM)

    4. Your call log defaults on cancel, some say they like this better, I'm sure it wasn't intentional as it annoys most people I know, and if it's addressed in a later code release that will confirm it as an oversight.

    5. NVFS...

    6. Date/Network Time bug...


    The above list are *some* of things that MUST affect you as you're running the same code as everyone, there are more look around...So again I call BS to anyone who says they have NO PROBLEMS.

    The only way you cannot have these issues is if you're running new code *NOT YET* released from P1 which means you would work for P1, and last I recall no one here works for P1. (even though half the people here act like it
    )

    For the record I also have a *good unit* with no ramdom resets or problems of the sort, *AND* I also use versamail! But like you and everyone else, I still have all the bugs listed above...
    I have no problems, I use versamail but I also use pockettunes.
    I bought and paid for it when I had my 600.
    Sure, there are some difficulties inherent with the phone as is, but there are also a lot of workarounds.
    I don't have any problems with my bluetooth with my headset.
    I don't have any problems with versamail. It downloads my mail perfectly everytime from my computer or straight from the net.

    I don't have a problem with the keyboard lights because the phone is usually on my hip while I'm talking on my headset, or I'm either using it during the day when the keyboard lites being on aren't an issue or at night where I actually like being able to see what key's I am hitting.

    While I am not suprised at all that some people are having problems, there are a lot of workarounds for those problems that people on this very forum have developed.
    When needed I use them.

    I don't have a lot of software on my device, I haven't run out of memory.
    I haven't had the problem suggested with the date time bug but I'm using the workaround anyway.
    My phone hasn't crashed in weeks.

    I'm not eager to see an OS update, but if there is one and it increases the RAM or fixes something else that I think may effect me at some point I'll load it.
    While there are bugs, if you don't run across any of those bugs that could very well mean you don't have any problems with the 650.
    This phone isn't perfect, but I can't think of any device I use nowadays that is.
    My Tivo takes a long time to get to the menu, my computers slow down sometimes, my phone service get's bad sometimes, my TV reception get's bad sometimes. I could probably go on for quite some time on faults, or perceived faults in the products we use today but there would be no point.
    They are still very useful to us, and we will continue to use them.
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    1.[/B] If you're running the CDMA you will have delays, kb lights stays blaring and can't be turned off or dimmed. (can be hacked off with a few apps but you should'nt have to buy an app to do somthing the OS should natively that was in the past model T600)
    Also it seems they addressed the blarring kb in the GSM unlocked version but at the same time you lost the function of the side keys to stop the ringer


    I do not find the KB light to be a problem, but I can understand why some would. However, it was an active choice to make a keyboard bright, it is not a bug. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was in response to complaints by 600 users that the KB was not bright enough. At most it is poor design, but name one prosuct with the perfect design.

    2.
    You will also have the bluetooth problems with all versions I believe
    This is bug, but it is one that has already been partially addresed and will hopefully be fully addressed soon. It does not make the 650 unusable though, and again I would challenge you to name 1 device without a single bug. Don't use BT though, so not a problem for me.

    3. Versamail is buggy and crashes, I've read some did exstensive work and fixed their's (which they shouldn't have to do, it should work with better quaility than apps you have to buy like chatter and snapper being that it's OEM)
    I have never had a single problem with Versamail, I use it for 2 e-mail accounts, auto-synched twice a day.

    4. Your call log defaults on cancel, some say they like this better, I'm sure it wasn't intentional as it annoys most people I know, and if it's addressed in a later code release that will confirm it as an oversight.
    Again, at most, poor design.

    5. NVFS...
    Once again, at most, poor design. However, I think that it is actually a great design idea considering that I have had far too many PDAs that I have to do a complete restore from a backup everytime I remove the battery or forget to charge.

    6. Date/Network Time bug...
    Your second actual bug. Two bugs on a bleeding edge smart device!!! Sweet, where do I sign up! But actually, I have not yet seen this bug affecting my device, I'm sure it does though, but it is just is not a problem for me.

    So yes, I have no problems with my Treo 650, though I do realize that some people do, but at least you have a responsive company like PalmOne around to try to address your issues. I for one have never had a company that has given me a freebie memory card, just because some people didn't like their design.
  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    No problems=BS
    Blah, blah, blah,...

    When will you get it through your head that the items that you mention are not considered problems by everyone who owns a 650? Sure Versamail is a buggy POS, but not everyone uses their Treo to read mail. Likewise not everyone uses Bluetooth, so the BT bugs are not a problem to those people. And so for each of the other points you continue to parrot.

    Yet you call anyone who says they have no problems with their 650, a liar.

    Unless and until you learn (a) a little civility, and (b) the meanings of the words "problem" and "lie," you're never going to be taken seriously.

    It's times like this that I wish Forum software had the equivalent of the good old "twitlist" filter of Usenet readers.
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  6.    #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    I do not find the KB light to be a problem, but I can understand why some would. However, it was an active choice to make a keyboard bright, it is not a bug. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was in response to complaints by 600 users that the KB was not bright enough. At most it is poor design, but name one prosuct with the perfect design.
    JESUS CHRIST
    The kblights blarring is a bug, and has been addressed in the GSM version and most likely will be addressed in the CDMA firmware upgrade, GET OVER IT...

    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    Don't use BT though, so not a problem for me.
    I don't use bluetooth either, but it still has bugs and needs to be addressed for the people that do, just becuase you don't use it doesn't me it's free of problems...

    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    I have never had a single problem with Versamail, I use it for 2 e-mail accounts, auto-synched twice a day.
    JESUS CHRIST!
    There are problems with VersaMail autosync
    Versa Bug Versa Bug (more info)


    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    Once again, at most, poor design. However, I think that it is actually a great design idea considering that I have had far too many PDAs that I have to do a complete restore from a backup everytime I remove the battery or forget to charge.
    God Help ME!
    NVFS BUG1 NVFS BUG 2

    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    I have not yet seen this bug affecting my device, I'm sure it does though
    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    So yes, I have no problems with my Treo 650
    You need help brother...
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    JESUS CHRIST
    The kblights blarring is a bug, and has been addressed in the GSM version and most likely will be addressed in the CDMA firmware upgrade, GET OVER IT...



    I don't use bluetooth either, but it still has bugs and needs to be addressed for the people that do, just becuase you don't use it doesn't me it's free of problems...



    JESUS CHRIST!
    There are problems with VersaMail autosync
    Versa Bug Versa Bug (more info)




    God Help ME!
    NVFS BUG1 NVFS BUG 2





    You need help brother...

    Who needs help? You got a mirror handy?

    You're really getting obnoxious lately. We know you hate your phone ok. Many of us are tired of listening to you b!tch. It gets really old. Return or sell your treo and get on with your life. In the mean time give it a rest and stop acting like you are smarter than everyone else.

    I pity your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/kids should they ever do anything that wasnt up to your expectations. Man what a hell that would be.
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  8. #48  
    Thanks Woof - couldn't agree more. As long as we're using theological references - Amen.
  9.    #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    We know you hate your phone ok. Many of us are tired of listening to you b!tch. It gets really old.
    Do you kiss your mom with that mouth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Return or sell your treo and get on with your life. In the mean time give it a rest and stop acting like you are smarter than everyone else.
    It has nothing to do with being smarter and everything to do with fanboys not wanting to admit their icon P1 has problems with their OS
    Last edited by SoufSidah09; 03/22/2005 at 08:01 AM.
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  10. #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    Do you kiss my mom with that mouth?
    Do a lot of people kiss your mom? Nevermind I don't need or want to go there. And don't get all excited, you brought her into this.



    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    It has nothing to do with being smarter and everything to do with fanboys not wanting to admit their icon P1 has problems with their OS
    No kidding. No one here thinks you're smarter, just more annoying. And even though I have let you drag me into this stupid pissing match before, I'll say this. The P1 treo 650 has problems. Duh!! Any moron can see that. It's not perfect. No one has said it is. The rest of us are just a bit more accepting of minor faults than you are. Hell even major faults.

    We are still responding to you after all.

    We are just tired of the same old repeated threads. I hate P1 I hate the treo... blah blah blah. We get it ok. Why don't you try posting something helpful. As far as I can see all you do is b!tch about P1.
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  11. #51  
    Quote Originally Posted by tomvb2000
    Thanks Woof - couldn't agree more. As long as we're using theological references - Amen.
    And its the theological references, specifically taking what many people on this planet believe is the Lord's name in vain, that he was using that shows a disrespect for others.

    It's fine that he has an OPINION. But force feeding it on others is just rude.
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  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Do a lot of people kiss your mom? Nevermind I don't need or want to go there. And don't get all excited, you brought her into this.





    No kidding. No one here thinks you're smarter, just more annoying. And even though I have let you drag me into this stupid pissing match before, I'll say this. The P1 treo 650 has problems. Duh!! Any moron can see that. It's not perfect. No one has said it is. The rest of us are just a bit more accepting of minor faults than you are. Hell even major faults.

    We are still responding to you after all.

    We are just tired of the same old repeated threads. I hate P1 I hate the treo... blah blah blah. We get it ok. Why don't you try posting something helpful. As far as I can see all you do is b!tch about P1.
    ditto ditto ditto. How many times do we have to hear the same rants over and over.
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  13.    #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Do a lot of people kiss your mom?
    Whoops! fixed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    The P1 treo 650 has problems. Duh!! Any moron can see that. It's not perfect. No one has said it is. The rest of us are just a bit more accepting of minor faults than you are. Hell even major faults.
    ^^The problem is no one else agrees with you on this even though I do, Here's what they say...


    Quote Originally Posted by khronos21
    Two bugs on a bleeding edge smart device!!! Sweet, where do I sign up!
    So yes, I have no problems with my Treo 650,
    This thread would only have 2-3 post if everyone agreed with you, unfortunately they don't, that's why this thread has been going on, besides the fact that you like confrontation. I can't help but think that you've been a real wuss all your life...no offense but am I right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    We are just tired of the same old repeated threads. I hate P1 I hate the treo...
    I'm tried of all the threads saying the T650 is perfect with no problems, LIES! The correct response should be the T650 HAS problems but I work around them until a fix is released.
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  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by SoufSidah09
    Whoops! fixed.
    It's still your mom. no edit will change that.



    ^^The problem is no one else agrees with you on this even though I do, Here's what they say...
    this makes no sense.



    This thread would only have 2-3 post if everyone agreed with you, unfortunately they don't, that's why this thread has been going on, besides the fact that you like confrontation. I can't help but think that you've been a real wuss all your life...no offense but am I right?
    LOL.Who likes confrontation!?!?! Pretty bad when you resort to comments like this. Personal attacks help no ones argument, and they make you look pretty childish. They might even get you bannned.



    I'm tried of all the threads saying the T650 is perfect with no problems, LIES! The correct response should be the T650 HAS problems but I work around them until a fix is released.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Most of the positive threads are not the same person posting the same thing over and over. You have personally opened a few threads with this same vein. We know how you feel. Have you got that? We get it. Oh and our opinions or tales of our own experiences aren't lies.
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  15. #55  
    Souf-man, you gotta lighten up. Really. Quit calling people names and liars and stuff. Just pi$$es 'em off, trust me.

    Again, what we wanna do is get people all on the same side, and that side is to say to PalmOne: "You have a nice concept here, but the execution is buggy. Please inform us that you are aware of the problems and will provide fixes/patches/repairs for them as soon as possible." Now if everyone could agree to this, we would be on our way to a great machine. Nobody gets hurt or insulted. I really think this is what our good friend Tundy is trying to do with his Treo650Update.com petition.

    I agree with Souf's frustration to an extent...there are bugs in the TREO 650, and everybody knows that. If you got yours to work fine, that's great, but have pity and at least provide moral support for your brothers and sisters that DON'T have this degree of luck. OK? Go sign Tundy's thing, or at least post something like, "Mine works great, but I am worried about all the posts about all the issues. PalmOne, please let us know what's going on..." What Soufie is upset about, I think, is that some of you good people are implying that there are absolutely no issues whatever, and it is the user's fault, not PalmOne's fault, if anything goes wrong. That don't help anyone. People are always saying that TreoCentral.com is great cuz everybody helps everybody else around here. Here is a good chance to really help a lot of people.

    It will be really interesting to see if the rumored patch shows up today, and what it actually "fixes". I am still really bummed that PalmOne hasn't bothered to publicise this much, or really even admit that there are problems that need fixing...
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  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by GWB
    What Soufie is upset about, I think, is that some of you good people are implying that there are absolutely no issues whatever, and it is the user's fault, not PalmOne's fault, if anything goes wrong. That don't help anyone.
    Please show me a post where someone has said there is nothing wrong with the Treo 650. And dont post the guy saying he has no problems. He doesnt so what. Everyone knows there are issues. Everyone. We dont need to be called names to agree there are problems.
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  18. #58  
    OK, lets stop this flame war...
    Lets all try to show some more respect.

    Most peoples 650 work fine (luckily mine does ) but some people have issues.
    Some issues are probably user induced and some are design errors (like the memory issue).
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  19. #59  
    OMG!!! As entertaining as you guys can be sometimes, and really, some of the responses are halarious...I have to ask, "Is it that time of the month?" You guys are beginning to sound like my Grandpa...repeating yourselves over and over!

    I use all included apps (Versa, Real etc...) and 32 add-ons. I have a 512MB card with PowerRun for memory. And before you say I shouldn't need it, I and many others would do it that way anyway. The only time I have a problem is when my kids start running around screaming and I can't hear. Happens from my Motorola too.
  20.    #60  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    It's still your mom. no edit will change that.
    You're right

    ENJOY

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