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    I have the TomTom Bluetooth GPS and the TomTom Navigator software for the 650. Both are terrific and work well with the Treo 650. It's great for driving directions but really can't be used for geocaching because you can't input longitude and latitude. I was wondering if anyone was using other software on the 650 for geocaching. I was looking around this board and gpspassion.com and couldn't find much.

    So, anybody know of any geocaching software out there for the 650? And that works for bluetooth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NADLER
    I have the TomTom Bluetooth GPS and the TomTom Navigator software for the 650. Both are terrific and work well with the Treo 650. It's great for driving directions but really can't be used for geocaching because you can't input longitude and latitude. I was wondering if anyone was using other software on the 650 for geocaching. I was looking around this board and gpspassion.com and couldn't find much.

    So, anybody know of any geocaching software out there for the 650? And that works for bluetooth?
    Well, I'm actually working on a review of Bluetooth GPS stuff for the 650. Here's a partial nutshell:

    Handmap.net = Completely broken and incompatible with the 650. Reboots the 650 about 2 minutes after you start tracking. Handmap support is lacking to non-existent.

    GPSpilot.com = Somewhat broken. Tended to hang the 650 on occasion. They were having a virtual pen input area issue on the 650. Don't know if that's resolved yet. They also had a problem with the Aeroplanner plugin not downloading routes correctly. Noticed they released a 5.6 version of their code. I've not tried it yet, but I will. Will get back with more.

    Pathaway.com = What I use right now, but it is not a perfect solution. They have screwed up the pull-down menus such that they really aren't usable. You can use the menu key followed by a shortcut (i.e. Menu-M for maps). Give up trying to calibrate a map from inside the program as well. Pathaway has a great desktop application that lets you easily make maps out of just about anything. I use keyhole.com, for instance, to get aerial photos complete with streets. A couple of points, and their corresponding lat/long, and you have a great map for geocaching. Another reason to use Pathaway over GPSpilot is the large number of projections supported. I trimmed down one of the GNC's I got from aeroplanner.com (Lambert Conformal Conic), calibrated it with a jpr, converted it and pushed it to the handheld.

    On the driving side:

    DeLorme Street Atlas 2005 Handheld: stable application in that it doesn't crash. However, there are a couple of issues: first, it can take eons to generate routes (and it is cumbersome to do it). The navigation to and from points is not accurate until you do a screen refresh. For instance, I drove to the library the other day. It showed me with 1.8 miles to go when I was sitting in the parking lot. Touch the screen with your finger, and it shows you more accurately where you are. This makes turn-by-turn navigation practically useless.

    Mapopolis: Their latest version is acceptable on the 650. If you keep map sizes to a reasonable size (total of about 10-15M at a time, though the author claims about 30-40M), you can get reasonable performance. I actually like the route generation and following better than TomTom--though routes do take a little longer to generate. Overall a very reasonable solution, and the price is < $100 (something you can't say for TomTom).

    As far as heads go, I've tried several and the best one FOR GROUND NAVIGATION (loses sync >200MPH in aircraft) is the Deluo GPS Lite (http://www.deluoelectronics.com/cust...8&cat=1&page=1). It is less than $100, and no car should be without one. If you're interested in air navigation, post something, and I'll summarize what I found there.

    Now here's the kicker on the 650: there is a bad bug in the serial Bluetooth routines. If you're navigating away, and you get a phone call, you have to reboot the 650 to get Bluetooth back. This means if you want to reliably use the 650 for a Bluetooth GPS device, you should shut off the phone portion. PalmOne is aware of the problem, but its solution doesn't seem to high on the priority list right now.

    Hope this helps.
    Last edited by JoeGuru; 02/27/2005 at 06:00 PM.
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    That's a great roundup. I'm going to take a look at pathaways.com. Let me know (and everyone else) if you come up with any others.

    Thanks.
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    Just a quick update. GPSpilot Tracker is still broken. Solid stream of resets seems to be brought on by accessing anything from the GPS "details" screen to the Aeroplanner plugin. Pathaway, even with the bugs, has never caused a reset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NADLER
    ...So, anybody know of any geocaching software out there for the 650? And that works for bluetooth?
    Geocaching software? Checkout CacheMate and its accompanying CacheNav at http://www.smittyware.com/palm/cachemate/

    I bought it!

    But I don't use the bluetooth GPS. I use my old Radio Shack DigiTraveler. It works great!
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    I think you're better off using a stand alone Garmin or Magellan. Even the cheapo eTrex Yellow will serve you for geocaching. Just from my experience, I do a lot of caching here in Souther California in the canyons and foothills. If I took a spill, or dropped my Vista, I wouldn't have half the panic as if I dropped my Treo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGuru
    Well, I'm actually working on a review of Bluetooth GPS stuff for the 650. Here's a partial nutshell:

    [stuff deleted]

    Now here's the kicker on the 650: there is a bad bug in the serial Bluetooth routines. If you're navigating away, and you get a phone call, you have to reboot the 650 to get Bluetooth back. This means if you want to reliably use the 650 for a Bluetooth GPS device, you should shut off the phone portion. PalmOne is aware of the problem, but its solution doesn't seem to high on the priority list right now.

    Hope this helps.
    I use TomTom all the time with the phone on. When I receive a call, Tomtom exits and I can talk away. When I hangup the phone, I simply restart TomTom and it continues where it left off. I have not encountered any Bluetooth/phone issues.

    To make it easy to get back to Navigator, I've setup the side button to start the program. Once my phone call ends I simply press the side button and I'm back on my route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    I think you're better off using a stand alone Garmin or Magellan. Even the cheapo eTrex Yellow will serve you for geocaching.
    I use the yellow eTrex. It works great for geocaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwbaker
    I use TomTom all the time with the phone on. When I receive a call, Tomtom exits and I can talk away. When I hangup the phone, I simply restart TomTom and it continues where it left off. I have not encountered any Bluetooth/phone issues.

    To make it easy to get back to Navigator, I've setup the side button to start the program. Once my phone call ends I simply press the side button and I'm back on my route.
    Actually, there's a slight issue (I wouldn't call it a "bad bug"). After using a Bluetooth GPS, you can't use the Bluetooth headset until you reset Bluetooth. For some reason people keep saying you have to soft reset the Treo -- you don't. Just click on the Bluetooth icon, turn off Bluetooth and turn it back on, and everything works just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougKoz
    Actually, there's a slight issue (I wouldn't call it a "bad bug"). After using a Bluetooth GPS, you can't use the Bluetooth headset until you reset Bluetooth. For some reason people keep saying you have to soft reset the Treo -- you don't. Just click on the Bluetooth icon, turn off Bluetooth and turn it back on, and everything works just fine.
    Tried it. Doesn't work for me. Can you confirm with something serial-over-BT?
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    sorry to revive this old thread, but i use CetusGPS on my treo- it's similar to cachenav but with more features. http://www.cetusgps.dk
    you have to convert your gpx/loc files into pdb files with gpsbabel but it works really well. i switch between this and vitonavigator2 on the pocket pc and haven't figured out which i like better
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougKoz
    Actually, there's a slight issue (I wouldn't call it a "bad bug"). After using a Bluetooth GPS, you can't use the Bluetooth headset until you reset Bluetooth. For some reason people keep saying you have to soft reset the Treo -- you don't. Just click on the Bluetooth icon, turn off Bluetooth and turn it back on, and everything works just fine.
    I'm with cwbaker. I don't even need to do this, DougKoz.

    Also, I've asked about this before but no one seemed to know: has anyone been using topo maps with GPS on their Treo 650? I've got Outdoor Navigator which isn't bad except that the maps are lo-res. There is also a DeLorme product but it doesn't have a trial. There are also products by www.gpspilot.com that look interesting but I haven't had a chance to try them. This last option is interesting in that it appears that you access maps online...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGuru
    [...]

    Mapopolis: Their latest version is acceptable on the 650. If you keep map sizes to a reasonable size (total of about 10-15M at a time, though the author claims about 30-40M), you can get reasonable performance. I actually like the route generation and following better than TomTom--though routes do take a little longer to generate. Overall a very reasonable solution, and the price is < $100 (something you can't say for TomTom).

    [...]

    Now here's the kicker on the 650: there is a bad bug in the serial Bluetooth routines. If you're navigating away, and you get a phone call, you have to reboot the 650 to get Bluetooth back. This means if you want to reliably use the 650 for a Bluetooth GPS device, you should shut off the phone portion. PalmOne is aware of the problem, but its solution doesn't seem to high on the priority list right now.

    Hope this helps.
    Great summary! I have a couple of points of disagreement based on my experience:

    I used Mapopolis on a trip to CA a couple of weeks ago. I dumped ALL of the california maps in one directory (more than 150 megs) with the intention of pruning them later. What do you know, I was able to navigate and get directions in the bay area without a problem! I made sure I had about 5-6 MB of RAM free at the time and I always restricted searching for destinations by town. I can't say that it would work well that way all the time, but this is a datapoint that says it can work.

    Also I agree that incoming phone calls are a problem when using BT with a GPS unit, however, if the Treo was not paired with any headset, there will be no need to reset after a phone call. Definitely not ideal, but a workaround in some situations. What I end up doing on trips when GPS is essential is delete my paired headset from the Treo and use a wired headset. Sucks, but works a bit better on the whole.
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    For those using TomTom (Leadtek) GPS receivers, Leadtek has a simple PalmOS nav program at the address below. Great for a quick long/lat location fix.

    http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/suppor...GPS%20Receiver
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    The Leadtek program will work with any bluetooth GPS receiver. I use it with my Globalsat 338.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JigSawMan
    For those using TomTom (Leadtek) GPS receivers, Leadtek has a simple PalmOS nav program at the address below. Great for a quick long/lat location fix.

    http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/suppor...GPS%20Receiver
    Anyone got another source for this file? On the leadtek site I get "file not found" for both the Taiwan and U.S. FTP sites.
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    Your all in one FREE geocaching solution for the T650.

    I use it all the time. It is simple if you want it to be and powerful if you need it. You can dowload geocaches in a lump and sync the waypoints into your palm. You can download your track after you get back and it will draw your path. Swwwweeeeet! And free.

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    For the Leadtek software, take the last directory or two out of the URL and you'll find it - they seem to have changed the URL a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SciPug
    Your all in one FREE geocaching solution for the T650.

    I use it all the time. It is simple if you want it to be and powerful if you need it. You can dowload geocaches in a lump and sync the waypoints into your palm. You can download your track after you get back and it will draw your path. Swwwweeeeet! And free.

    http://core.de/~coto/projects/cotogps/
    Been using the cotogps program to Geocache and it works great. However, haven't figured out a way to "dowload geocaches in a lump and sync the waypoints into your palm" as stated above. I always have to enter the coordinates manually. Can anyone help?

    SB
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    I would love to have an all-in-one solution, but for now, paperless cache pages in Plucker and my Etrex Legend are working fine for me. I like having a separate GPS - its great for handing off to tired young hikers to give them an extra incentive. I wouldn't feel so good about letting them carry my Treo.
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