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    #61  
    Next month, they are going to release a Treo 650 2.0 with 128MB built in with the keyboard issue resolved. It will also have Snapper Mail built in instead of Versamail, BUT..... it's only avaialble for T-Mobile! SUE YOUR HEART OUT FOR THAT, PEOPLE! WHOOOOO! http://www.got-next.com/board/images/smilies/nag.gif
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  2. #62  
    Nice dream........
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  3. #63  
    I don't know .... the MOD moved my message thread relating to BLUETOOTH HARDWARE problems on the 650 but this one continues.

    I think I'm going to file a Class Action suit against Mark for Thread Discrimination!

    Whose with me? No one ?? Damn!
  4. #64  
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    Umm...yeah. And I tried to call my lawyer and he couldn't understand what I was saying because the 650 blows chunks as a phone. One step up from a cup and string....

    Seriously though....while some lucky people have no problems with the device whatsoever, it seems to be that quite a large amount of people are having serious issues with it.....sound quality, roaming issues, lots and lots of bugs, memory issues, dialing issues, hardware/keyboard quality issues, hotsync issues, random reset issues. Real issues, not user error, not ID10T problems.

    There's no denying it. They took the phone out of the oven before it was fully cooked because, like it or not, they had to have something to serve at Christmas dinner.

    I think that what all the "you suck because you want to sue" people need to realize is that we "unhappy" or "unlucky" ones just want resolution of our issues. We don't want to suck PalmOne dry, we don't want to line the pockets of the attorneys. But there is no real good way for us to communicate our issues to P1 to achieve resolution. There is no "bug report" area for PalmOne where the users can report an issue and follow it through to resolution. Everyone has to start at square one -- call Sprint, talk to a $6/hr bonehead who says "we have no knowledge of problem xxx" .... "have you tried a hard reset?" "Maybe you should exchange your phone?" Right....like an identical piece of hardware with identical software is going to act differently. Maybe it won't dial slowly, or maybe it won't sound like crap.....ha.

    We just want resolution...or at minimum, some sort of semi-often communication from Palm acknowledging they know about the issues and are fixing them. We are in the dark and it sucks.

    If a class action suit were to be started, maybe it would kick PalmOne into gear and maybe we'd see a timely release of patches.


    Hey, anyone remember me? I exiled myself from here months ago. I called first for PalmOne to recall the 650, and then for them to at least admit that there were problems and promise to fix them. Admittedly I got a little strident, but I was so resoundingly criticised I figured I didn't belong here anymore. I have been lurking intermittently ever since.

    Nice to see little has changed. PalmOne still refuses to acknowledge or fix much of anything. The only official repair I have seen is the "roaming patch" no doubt forced upon PalmOne by Sprint so they didn't lose any cash to their competitors due to unnecessary roaming.

    My opinion has not changed overall. The Treo 650 continues to demonstrate an unfortunately large number of problems. Obviously, these do not affect everyone, but I still think it is a travesty to force people to use third-party ROMS, patches, and all the other hoops one must jump through to make the 650 work as it should. I will not be buying one, obviously.

    HOWEVER.... I, too, am a physician, and I have been the victim of frivolous lawsuits. People, this is not the way to solve your problems! Americans have become so litigous.... even my 11-year old son will say he's going to "sue somebody" if a toy doesn't work or someone says something to him he doesn't appreciate. Of course I am doing my best to keeep him from this mentality!

    I support the efforts of those who want to complain, and they should do so as loudly as they feel like. But forget this lawsuit idea. It is simply not right. Vote with your wallet, and tell your friends.

    We have to get over this knee-jerk response of "I'm gonna sue" as the solution to our problems!
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  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by treo_monkey
    GWB...you pick George Bush as your avatar but you choose the side of the consumer. I'm proud of you for thinking for yourself.
    Where did y'all get the idea that Conservatives aren't for the consumer? Just cuz we don't like class action suits doesn't say that, now does it? Ever notice how the trial lawyer groups give buckets of money to the Democrats? Huh? Just buying influence as usual.

    Maybe if some trial lawyer bought himself (or herself ) a defective TREO 650 we'd see some real action!
  6. #67  
    Quote Originally Posted by Katway
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    Just wondering how long we should all wait until filing the class action for having spent $600 for the 650, a constant stream of money upgrading our network plans, and even more ?
    Right after You get the settlement from McDonalds after You Spilled hot coffee in Your Lap.....

    Get a Grip
  7. #68  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai Lama

    Hey, anyone remember me? I exiled myself from here months ago. I called first for PalmOne to recall the 650, and then for them to at least admit that there were problems and promise to fix them. Admittedly I got a little strident, but I was so resoundingly criticised I figured I didn't belong here anymore. I have been lurking intermittently ever since.

    Nice to see little has changed. PalmOne still refuses to acknowledge or fix much of anything. The only official repair I have seen is the "roaming patch" no doubt forced upon PalmOne by Sprint so they didn't lose any cash to their competitors due to unnecessary roaming.

    My opinion has not changed overall. The Treo 650 continues to demonstrate an unfortunately large number of problems. Obviously, these do not affect everyone, but I still think it is a travesty to force people to use third-party ROMS, patches, and all the other hoops one must jump through to make the 650 work as it should. I will not be buying one, obviously.

    HOWEVER.... I, too, am a physician, and I have been the victim of frivolous lawsuits. People, this is not the way to solve your problems! Americans have become so litigous.... even my 11-year old son will say he's going to "sue somebody" if a toy doesn't work or someone says something to him he doesn't appreciate. Of course I am doing my best to keeep him from this mentality!

    I support the efforts of those who want to complain, and they should do so as loudly as they feel like. But forget this lawsuit idea. It is simply not right. Vote with your wallet, and tell your friends.

    We have to get over this knee-jerk response of "I'm gonna sue" as the solution to our problems!
    Right on, Dalai Lama .
    I remember you when the CDMA version came out.
    Give T 650 a chance. Try the GSM version for few days.
    BTW what device are you using now.....
    My only glitch is that i cannot use "Uptodate" with palm os .
    Malpractice insurance is sky rocketing . More and more physicians are not doing aggressive interventions due to these lawyers and in lot of cases not treating there patients .
    These $OB should be held accountable for all lost lawsuits , something similar to three strike rule for physicians in Florida.
    Sorry for being slightly off topic.......
  8. #69  
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterEd
    I don't know .... the MOD moved my message thread relating to BLUETOOTH HARDWARE problems on the 650 but this one continues.

    I think I'm going to file a Class Action suit against Mark for Thread Discrimination!

    Whose with me? No one ?? Damn!
    Mr Ed ,

    I support your petition. They have done this to me also .....

  9. #70  
    Glad to see you back lama.

    nothing much has changed.

    build your own ROMs to fix F1's issues? What is this, Linux? (not that there's anything wrong with Linux, but I didn't buy the Treo to piddle around compiling roms...)

    tend to agree on the lawsuits, and I am sure you are a good physician, but the high cost of medical malpractice is a complete boogeyman. (ie there are very few lawsuits and fewer payouts, and doctors have a "code of silence" if one screws up)

    medicial malpractice is very rampant, as many doctors just aren't patient oriented.

    after seeing one friend crippled by doctors' negligence, and my own son being perscribed two common medicines with severe interaction affects (which I only caught because I researched it...the doc was not aware of it!), my opinion of the medical community is a bit altered. (and these are not some quacks...these are highly respected, well-established in their area).

    bascially, I just hope the doc doesn't screw up. I have learned that the only one who cares for your health is you, and you have to fight tooth and nail to get a decent standard of care. Very sad...

    I grew up admiring doctors, but have learned the hard way that they need to earn that admiration.

    and we won't even go into medicial administration...that is horrible. on hold to 30 minutes, no returned phone calls, constant billing mistakes (not the insurance company's fault, but the office staff), along with several month wait for appointments, just is crazy.

    I'll never forget my 8:30 appt with the doctor...and she comes strolling in at 9:15...I asked the front desk why she was late, and they said, "that's her normal starting time". So I wasted an hour of my time....and when I ask, they just said, well, patient are always late and not showing up".
  10. #71  
    My Dad is a well qualified surgeon who practices here in the bowels of New York. He came here as an immigrant in the mid-70s and started his own rags to riches book.

    He's always been a Republican (except when he voted for Kerry last year - totally startled me!), and I've always been a Democrat. Over the years I would constantly badger him about his Republican stance, etc. trying to bring him over to my side. He always told me one thing: "Dems are not good for the healthcare system of this country; the QUALITY of healthcare will decline if Dems are in control."

    I thought "rubbish!"

    Well, you know what, he is right. During the 90s HMO's tore apart my Dad's practice and pigeonholed him into a position of making "limited diagnoses" as a specialist. In many ways, the field of medicine (and I'm speaking specifically of internal medicine and surgery) has lost its eliteness or nobility, if you will. The reason for this loss is the infiltration of lawyers and business people (pharmas, administrators, etc.) into the fray. Everyone wants to get a piece of the pie. There are too many cooks in this field.

    While there are certainly unscrupulous doctors out there who won't change their tactics no matter what the healthcare landscape is like, there are certainly many who take their profession seriously, passionately and professionally.

    Finally, there are two specific areas which are affecting the medical field on a day to day basis. The Internet has become a rite of passage for many prospective patients. It has also become a virtual check and balance system for patients and doctors alike. Second, and I think one of the most important, strange diseases and germs seem more prevalent now than ever. I believe this is a function of our society (the strange processed foods we eat, the radiation that surrounds us, the fuel we burn, etc.) that puts a stress on our medical community. If we took steps to remove certain habits from our lifestyle, I think it would help cleanse a system that has gotten so polluted, in every which way, over the past century.

    my 2 cents.
  11. #72  
    let's stay on topic. maybe if we put our heads together on this we can figure out a way to force p1's or sprint's hand in this matter.
  12. #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by Katway
    So if I bought a car that is tauted to drive reliably, but instead has a defective engine.... consumers can't sue for working engines if the car company refuses to fix the problem?
    There's a significant difference between a car and a phone though. Once you sign the papers on a car, most manufacturers won't take it back unless a legal authority compells them to. There's no tryout period, no buyer's remorse, no "this one doesn't work, can I exchange it for another" safety net. So any reasonable person can endorse legal action to compell a car manufactuer to take back a defective car that it cannot fix.

    A phone on the other hand, has all of these safety nets. You have 14 days (in Cingular's case, 30) to discover problems with the phone. if it's defective, if it has problems, or even if you just change your mind, you waltz right back into the store and have them take it off your hands, no questions asked.

    The problems being experienced aren't latent issues that show up after the trial period. In fact, many of us are aware of the defects even BEFORE we buy the phone, having read the forums here. And yet people order the phones anyway!

    THIS is why realisitcally, there is no case for a class action suit, and why such a suit would be frivolous. People HAD immediate recourse to correct their "loss" in the form of getting their money back, and yet people chose not to take that recourse.

    Further, what benefit would the average persong get from such legal action? We all know what happens with class action lawsuits. The lawyers will take the lion's share of any monetary settlement, and arrange for some worthless token compensation for each member of the class, in exchange for us absolving palmone of any further culpability (in effect, letting them go right along without fixing anything).

    So what will I, the average joe end-user of the treo 650, get out of what's left after the lawyers collect? A free 10-minute pre-paid long distance calling card from Sprint that complements my existing cell phone service, which by the way already includes long distance at no charge? A $5.00 coupon good towards a spare battery from the palmOne store, which I could buy without a coupon at Amazon for cheaper? Another free 128MB SD card? No thanks. If a class action suit happens, you can bet I'm going to submit a motion to exclude myself from the class thus preserving my legal rights, and I would recommend the same for anyone else who has any common sense about modern class action suits. Further, I will gladly provide examples of what to write and how/where to send it to exclude oneself from a class-action, if a suit actually does happen.

    It's my opinion that if a coordinated effort occurs to call up palmOne support AND Sprint PCS AND Cingular tech support and demand that these bugs be fixed, such pressure will be more effective in actually FIXING the problem than bringing palmOne to court and getting a half-arsed settlement for our troubles. People need to return the phoens that have problems... returns due to defect get attention in significant numbers, while keeping a phone despite its bugs without returning sends a message that such bugs are okay to you.

    Again, I have not had problems with my phone. No looping reboots, no audio problems, no flakiness, rock solid reception. i HAD the roaming problem, but the patch issued by PalmOne fixed it. Maybe I'm lucky, I don't know, but I sure as hell am making sure I don't drop or lose this phone, because I'd hate to have to trade it and risk getting a lemon.

    However, I sympathize with those who ARE having problems. And as someone with a clear head in the matter, I would implore people to hold off on a class action suit until we're sure that PalmOne absolutely refuses to issue any patches ro fixes for the Treo's problems, and we're sure that no one is getting anything through any other means. Class action suits only enrich the lawyers involved, and you can bet that end users won't be made fully whole by such an action. Better to save such recourse until we've got nothing else to lose.
    Last edited by scaredpoet; 02/12/2005 at 01:08 PM.
  13. #74  
    Quote Originally Posted by scaredpoet
    ...The problems being experienced aren't latent issues that show up after the trial period. In fact, many of us are aware of the defects even BEFORE we buy the phone, having read the forums here. And yet people order the phones anyway!

    THIS is why realisitcally, there is no case for a class action suit, and why such a suit would be frivolous. People HAD immediate recourse to correct their "loss" in the form of getting their money back, and yet people chose not to take that recourse.
    That's what I've been saying! If you keep the darn thing and just screw around with work arounds, why the heck would PalmOne even bother with fixing anything????


    Quote Originally Posted by scaredpoet
    It's my opinion that if a coordinated effort occurs to call up palmOne support AND Sprint PCS AND Cingular tech support and demand that these bugs be fixed, such pressure will be more effective in actually FIXING the problem than bringing palmOne to court and getting a half-arsed settlement for our troubles. People need to return the phoens that have problems... returns due to defect get attention in significant numbers, while keeping a phone despite its bugs without returning sends a message that such bugs are okay to you.........I sympathize with those who ARE having problems. And as someone with a clear head in the matter, I would implore people to hold off on a class action suit until we're sure that PalmOne absolutely refuses to issue any patches ro fixes for the Treo's problems, and we're sure that no one is getting anything through any other means. Class action suits only enrich the lawyers involved, and you can bet that end users won't be made fully whole by such an action. Better to save such recourse until we've got nothing else to lose.
    Amen. Don't give the darn lawyers another cent. But isn't some of this what that Dali guy got yelled at for suggesting? Oh well, sounds good to me at this point.

    What I don't get is why nobody has really complained up to now (that is what's happening, right?), and why PalmOne hasn't said much of anything up to now (I guess that has to do with the first part of the question...)
  14. #75  
    I agree, lets do a RETURN YOUR TREO day where everyone unhappy with thier treo's resets and other issues does a return or exchange ? 14th Feb perhaps?
  15. #76  
    Quote Originally Posted by Needatreo650
    I agree, lets do a RETURN YOUR TREO day where everyone unhappy with thier treo's resets and other issues does a return or exchange ? 14th Feb perhaps?
    Maybe you Needa reality check, friend ....

    I've been saying this until I'm blue in the tie..... First off, not everyone is having the problems with this stuff, but lots of people are. The thing is, the majority of those good people who are having the problems are absolutely unwilling to part with their precious TREO 650's. As long as people are willing to reflash their ROM's with something modified by a guy they don't even know (no offense, Shadowmite, but I wouldn't take a brand new Mercedes to some mechanic on the other side of town that I didn't know...no, I don't have one, btw..), and spend endless hours installing this app and uninstalling that one, and so on till the thing shows some semblance of stability, well then our pals at PalmOne are gonna sit back on their laurels and say there ain't any problems, see? Everybody's works and so we done good, didn't we? All the while ignoring the fact that it took the users a lot of tweaking to get it that way.

    Needy, take the opportunity to send your wife/significant other some flowers or something tomorrow. That's the only Valentine's campaign where you have a chance at influencing anything...
  16. #77  
    Notice Needy isn't pushing this idea much today!
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