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    since the sandisk ultra II 1gb isn't available on most websites now (except for dell), are there any comprable or better substitutes that cost around $85-90?
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    I hear positive reviews on the ATP 1GB 60x Secure Digital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR30
    I hear positive reviews on the ATP 1GB 60x Secure Digital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chill2k66
    since the sandisk ultra II 1gb isn't available on most websites now (except for dell), are there any comprable or better substitutes that cost around $85-90?
    Its a bit more that $90, but the Extreme III from Sandisk is an awesome card. The VFSMark write speed is over 200%. Taking pictures and backing up to the card feels almost as fast as writing to RAM. Its about $130. (I got it for $114 at adorama.com, but they sold out). They sell for about $115-$120 in eBay.
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    I got mine at bhphoto.com
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    Thanks for the tip Joebar, they have them in stock for $114.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=356018&is=REG
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    Has anyone seen benchmark speeds comparing the Extreme III to the Ultra II or ADP 60x? I'm aware of the review mentioned in the ADP thread in this forum that compares Ultra II to ADP. I'm assuming Extreme III is faster at 133x, but the Ultra II (80x) was outperformed in real world tests by the ADP (60x) so those numbers seem to be potentially deceiving. Thanks for any resources to compare these.
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    Im confused. Why isnt the Sandisk Ultra II 1GB currently available? Is it backordered, not-yet-released, or undergoing improvement? I just picked up a coupon book from Costco and they were advertising the card for 20% w/ coupon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by talkin73
    Has anyone seen benchmark speeds comparing the Extreme III to the Ultra II or ADP 60x? I'm aware of the review mentioned in the ADP thread in this forum that compares Ultra II to ADP. I'm assuming Extreme III is faster at 133x, but the Ultra II (80x) was outperformed in real world tests by the ADP (60x) so those numbers seem to be potentially deceiving. Thanks for any resources to compare these.
    I've seen some VFSMark speeds for the Ultra II and Extreme III, and they are deceptively similar (in the 500 range). If you did down into the numbers a bit, you will notice that the write speed on the Extreme is 4 times faster than the Ultra, and you CAN notice the difference in the Treo 650.

    I have a 1GB Extreme III, and I just got my wife a 512MB Ultra 2. Although the VFS mark for both is about 500, the write speed on mine is 221%, hers is 41%. Doing a backup to the card using BackupBuddyVFS, the Extreme is noticeably faster. The Ultra II is no slouch, it is fast too, but next to my Kingstons and Toshibas, its like a bicycle against a 350Z...
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    I just ordered a Kingston 60x hi-speed 1gb SD for about $68. I think it has good reviews and speed around 10/sec ? For $6 I also got a keychain Kingston jump drive that has a slot to accept SD cards. Seems like a good deal. I'll post again after I get them.
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    I picked up a 1GB 40x Corsair (speed = 6MB/s) yesterday at Fry's for a decent
    price. Have ripped 5 full CD's to it and it's still only 20% full. It's been playing
    for only about an hour and I still have a lot more testing to do over the 15 day
    Fry's return period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZBoater
    I've seen some VFSMark speeds for the Ultra II and Extreme III, and they are deceptively similar (in the 500 range). If you did down into the numbers a bit, you will notice that the write speed on the Extreme is 4 times faster than the Ultra, and you CAN notice the difference in the Treo 650.

    I have a 1GB Extreme III, and I just got my wife a 512MB Ultra 2. Although the VFS mark for both is about 500, the write speed on mine is 221%, hers is 41%. Doing a backup to the card using BackupBuddyVFS, the Extreme is noticeably faster. The Ultra II is no slouch, it is fast too, but next to my Kingstons and Toshibas, its like a bicycle against a 350Z...
    ZBoater, thanks for the feedback. Very helpful. I purchased an Extreme III 1GB card and may just return my ADP 60x card. The ??x speeds just seem deceptive. They don't really tell you what happens in real time use.
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    Hey, those other cards are great for MP3 libraries - with a decent read speed all they need to do is keep up with RealPlayer or pTunes, which all 30X and 60X cards do. Besides, two cards is always better than one...
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    fyi... another review on our 1GB, 2GB cards posted:

    http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/r.../ATP_SD_1.html

    Another FYI, the extreme III is utilizing SD spec 1.1 released last year by the SDA. The 20 MB/s is achieved by increasing the clock speed while maintaining x4 bit operation. Just note that this higher clockspeed can only be utilized by SD1.1 designed host devices (right now little to none on the market). Most likely the devices you're all using today (including the Treo 600/650) are using the standard SD 1.01 spec, which means on these devices, a fast SD 1.1 spec card would be on the same playing field as a fast SD 1.01 spec card such as the Ultra II or ATP.

    Any questions, please let me know. jwh@us.atpinc.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhsieh
    ...which means on these devices, a fast SD 1.1 spec card would be on the same playing field as a fast SD 1.01 spec card such as the Ultra II or ATP...
    So what would explain the significant difference in write speed as reported by VFSMark between the Ultra II and Extreme III (41% vs 221%)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZBoater
    So what would explain the significant difference in write speed as reported by VFSMark between the Ultra II and Extreme III (41% vs 221%)?
    I'm sure one could assume, that in addition to the 1.1 spec, that the memory in these devices is further enhanced giving you better write performance even if you don't have a 1.1 host (as in Treo 650), up to whatever the max speed of a 1.01 host can handle.

    I'm sure on a 1.1 card reader/writer the benefits would be even more astounding.
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    Just on my own observation of the 2 cards I own (1 Ultra II and 1 Extreme III), the write difference is amazing. The difference in doing a full backup with BackupBuddyVFS is very noticeable, as are the VFSMark write speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZBoater
    So what would explain the significant difference in write speed as reported by VFSMark between the Ultra II and Extreme III (41% vs 221%)?

    This would of course vary from device to device, especially with the higher system overhead with any PDA, so I can't say for your particular test, with your particular setup. Can you post your FULL VFSmark numbers for both cards? Also, the Ultra II now uses MLC flash, slower performance, with an effort for the read speed to be made up in the controller. Write speed, however, will always be harder to bandage up at the controller with buffers etc. The Extreme III is likely using much higher quality SLC flash, since in a SD 1.1 enabled device it would have to keep up with the faster transfer speed. Also recently we have also been seeing the Ultra II's start to lag behind other 60x cards in transfer speed, probably due to the complete switch to MLC.

    The best test would be to get a small prog. like HDbench and a fast USB 2.0 reader and then compare both cards.

    Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhsieh
    ...Can you post your FULL VFSmark numbers for both cards? ...
    Sure.

    Extreme III
    File Create: 386%
    File Delete: 189%
    File Write: 221%
    File Read: 692%
    File Seek: 786%
    DB Export: 216%
    DB Import: 508%
    Record Access: 754%
    Resource Access: 738%
    VFSMark: 498

    Ultra II
    File Create: 608%
    File Delete: 256%
    File Write: 47%
    File Read: 653%
    File Seek: 737%
    DB Export: 235%
    DB Import: 423%
    Record Access: 683%
    Resource Access: 662%
    VFSMark: 478
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhsieh
    fyi... another review on our 1GB, 2GB cards posted:

    http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/r.../ATP_SD_1.html

    Another FYI, the extreme III is utilizing SD spec 1.1 released last year by the SDA. The 20 MB/s is achieved by increasing the clock speed while maintaining x4 bit operation. Just note that this higher clockspeed can only be utilized by SD1.1 designed host devices (right now little to none on the market). Most likely the devices you're all using today (including the Treo 600/650) are using the standard SD 1.01 spec, which means on these devices, a fast SD 1.1 spec card would be on the same playing field as a fast SD 1.01 spec card such as the Ultra II or ATP.

    Any questions, please let me know. jwh@us.atpinc.com

    -Jeff
    Don't your cards use a different type of cell configuration? Something like single cell as opposed to multi-cell? I thought that I read that somewhere and also that this increases the speed of the card.
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