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  1. #21  
    yesterday I did the dslreports test on Tmobile 7100t, the speed was 117kbps. (highter than what I get on my Treo 650 with the supposed EDGE)
    Treo 650
    Treo 600
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  2. #22  
    Just what I was afraid of. Based on these results from various areas EDGE at its best seems to either match CDMA 1xrtt, or slightly exceed it (in the case of 170kbps).

    My tests are weird. I'm using my Moto v551 to test EDGE speeds and I ONLY get 2~5 kbps with 1.6 lateny. I am unable to test the 50, 100, and 200k of the HTML; only the 5k HTML, or 5k wap. This phone is EDGE capable and EDGE is supposed to be up in my area.

    Suddenly I feel like staying with Sprint or splurging by going to Verizon and getting screwed out of $45 bucks each month
  3. #23  
    Union County (Northern NJ) 07036 - using AT&T 650 w/all bars:

    200K (3 tests): 142, 138, 143 Latency: 3.4,3.2,3.2
    50K (3 tests): 92K, 88K, 94K Latency: 2.07, 2.4, 2.03

    Using their "unlimited MMode" plan (ATT equiv of MediaWorks)
  4. #24  
    I can check the speeds with Cingular service on my laptop with my Nokia 6820 and Bluetooth. I believe the 6820 is capped at around 110-130 kbps for EDGE though. No idea why.
  5. #25  
    I am in Lafayette,La and just ran three tests with an average of 86k, not bad but not as good as i had hoped it would be. Someone earlier mentioned time slots, this is exactly where the problem lies. In an effort to leave more slots open for voice Cingular is limiting the number of time slots per user for data. This combined with a lack of terestrial bandwidth gives us the sub par performance we are seeing. I believe that as the merger with AT&T progresses and additional facilities,spectrum and bandwidth increase so will our data speeds. Just my .02
    Treoseur
  6. #26  
    First off, it would be great if people would actually include signal level with their reports. It doesn't help much to compare without them. Also if you are on Cingular and know what network you are on that would help too (Blue or Orange).

    Quote Originally Posted by taylorh
    Finally, I'd like to see some comparisons with people on Media Works vs. Data Connect or PDA connect (if anyone actually has them.) I'm curious if Media Works has limited bandwitdth compared to the data connect plans. I had read somewhere about less download time slots, but I don't know if that has any affect on these rates. Regardless I'm not getting rid of my Media Works, can't beat the price.
    People keep asking about this, but i know of nothing to support this idea at all. The device determines the number of time slots it can use and the network settings too (not your account settings). For example a cell site could have 1 dedicated EDGE time slot or it could have 8, that makes a difference. Just a point I wanted to make - there are many other ways a network can be setup for data, just an example.
    Treo 650 GSM
  7. #27  
    Central Valley near Modesto CA on Sprint: 200k test = 112k speed, 1.629 s latency
  8. #28  
    At this point, i don't really believe the test results of dslreports.com/mspeed.


    When I'm using my Xiino, I see speeds of about 140-150kbps


    Does anyknow any other reliable bandwidth test site?
    Treo 650
    Treo 600
    Cingular
    MediaWorks
  9. #29  
    None of them are reliable to compare two different people 1000s of miles apart on this board. The dslreports.com site has gotta be closer to/less hops away from one of the two people, making it biased one way no matter what.
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by MFizzel
    pretty similar to my v551's data speed
    If true that's amazing. My v551 gets 2~5 kbps. Cingular techless support have no clue what dslreports.com/mspeed is. I talked with at least 10 people inclding "data support" techs in the last 4 hours.

    The last one said: "If you're connecting to the internet I can't make your phone go faster. That's just the way the internet works."

    That did it for me. I'm still within my 100% money back return period.
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyH
    Just what I was afraid of. Based on these results from various areas EDGE at its best seems to either match CDMA 1xrtt, or slightly exceed it (in the case of 170kbps).

    My tests are weird. I'm using my Moto v551 to test EDGE speeds and I ONLY get 2~5 kbps with 1.6 lateny. I am unable to test the 50, 100, and 200k of the HTML; only the 5k HTML, or 5k wap. This phone is EDGE capable and EDGE is supposed to be up in my area.

    Suddenly I feel like staying with Sprint or splurging by going to Verizon and getting screwed out of $45 bucks each month

    Just like there are different classes of GPRS, there are also different classes of EDGE. I believe the v551 is a class 5 or so, and the 650 is a class 10.
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  12. #32  
    I did the 200k test. ATT. I'm in Michigan and got:
    101kbit/sec
    6.497s latency
    18.116s d/l time
  13. #33  
    I just did the dslreports test and got these results

    100k:
    105 kbit/sec
    1.961s latency
    9.34s d/l time

    I am in North NJ, sprint cdma treo 650
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyH
    If true that's amazing. My v551 gets 2~5 kbps. Cingular techless support have no clue what dslreports.com/mspeed is. I talked with at least 10 people inclding "data support" techs in the last 4 hours.

    The last one said: "If you're connecting to the internet I can't make your phone go faster. That's just the way the internet works."

    That did it for me. I'm still within my 100% money back return period.

    So you are on Cingular Orange then? Hmmm, that is bad. Of course testing the data bottle neck is hard to do, because it could be anywhere. It could be out on the internet someplace, but different sites should not be the same speed then. If the problem is on the network side, there is obviously something that can be done. None of the people you are going to talk to are going to be network engineers or data gurus or anything though. Did you get your call escalated or talk to a manager or something? These CSRs don't know everything, but there are people who can help. How about opening a trouble ticket? Just some suggestions. I would like to see the problem resolved.

    What market are you in?
    Treo 650 GSM
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by jhat3k1
    I am in Lafayette,La and just ran three tests with an average of 86k, not bad but not as good as i had hoped it would be. Someone earlier mentioned time slots, this is exactly where the problem lies. In an effort to leave more slots open for voice Cingular is limiting the number of time slots per user for data. This combined with a lack of terestrial bandwidth gives us the sub par performance we are seeing. I believe that as the merger with AT&T progresses and additional facilities,spectrum and bandwidth increase so will our data speeds. Just my .02
    First off, please don't make assumption and state them as fact, it just confuses people. I don't believe Cingular is limiting the number of timeslots per user - I don't know how or why that would be done. The number of EDGE slots available per sector are predefined, and as such there is only a maximum number available. Depending on how they are defined voice traffic can preempt the data traffic - but like I said it depends. I don't know whow the network is set up in general where you are so there is no way for me to say for sure. Data speeds should improve though if people like you make enough noise to the company, and the network engineers are trying to improve the speeds.
    Treo 650 GSM
  16. #36  
    figured i should add my speedtest results from dslreports to this thread as well, so everyone can reference what kind of speeds are being realized across different locales... i get:

    50k speed test
    93 kbit/sec
    1.751s latency

    100k speed test
    114 kbit/sec
    1.846s latency

    200k speed test
    136 kbit/sec
    1.688 latency

    this is on a Cingular branded/locked Treo 650 in the Houston Tx area, signal bar has remained at strength 4 since i first powered up the device yesterday, no dead spots for me so far... i hope everyone else is enjoying their 650's as much as i am..!

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  17. #37  
    I'm glad y'all posted your speed tests. Unfortunately, EDGE does not seem to live up to its claim of being the speed alterative to EVDO. Verizon guys are reporting up to 400kbps on their XV6600 in active EVDO regions. I'm getting 142kbps on Sprint 1xrtt.

    I guess GSM is still a valid option if you want to easily swap phones, travel abroad, and roam better. But if you hunger for speed and have the $$ for it to shell out to Verizon, EVDO is the way to go.

    There's still hope for Sprint users if Sprint rolls out EVDO as planned and does not hike prices.
  18. #38  
    sprint cdma. 115kbit/s, 1.5s latency
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyH
    I'm glad y'all posted your speed tests. Unfortunately, EDGE does not seem to live up to its claim of being the speed alterative to EVDO. Verizon guys are reporting up to 400kbps on their XV6600 in active EVDO regions. I'm getting 142kbps on Sprint 1xrtt.

    I guess GSM is still a valid option if you want to easily swap phones, travel abroad, and roam better. But if you hunger for speed and have the $$ for it to shell out to Verizon, EVDO is the way to go.

    There's still hope for Sprint users if Sprint rolls out EVDO as planned and does not hike prices.
    UMTS is coming to GSM networks to increase data speeds. I was not of the impression that EDGE was ever supposed to be able to beat EVDO. Also EDGE could go twice as fast as we are getting on our GSM 650s with 4 downloads slots, if we were able to get an 8 slot device. I don't know that this will ever happen though because it is currently not supported under the GSM standard (although it seems that a hypathetical 8 slot device was used when coming up with EDGE's top speed).
    Last edited by helpermonkey; 02/05/2005 at 08:37 AM.
    Treo 650 GSM
  20. #40  
    EDGE is not the speed alternative to EVDO. EDGE is the GSM equivalent to CDMA2000's 1xRTT. They're both informally known as 2.5G and are meant as a temporary measure to be used by companies as they deploy to 3G. That is the reason why CDMA 650 users and EDGE 650 users are reporting similar speeds because they're using functionally the same stage of communications.

    The 3G modes are CDMA 2000 1xEV (EVDO and EVDV), WCDMA (UMTS) and TD-SCDMA. Current CDMA like Verizon companies generally upgrade their network to EVDO or EVDV if they're ambitious and current GSM carriers generally upgrade to WCDMA.
    Cingular will roll out UMTS nationwide in 2006 though they now operate the network that ATTWS set up in 6 markets. Actually Cingular in Atlanta just tested HSDPA sometimes called 3.5G, a software upgrade of WCDMA which promises download speeds of 14.4 Mbps. T-Mobile has a problem because they don't have the spectrum to deploy WCDMA. They're aggressively buying spectrum looking to 2007 to deploy 3G and might go directly to HSDPA.
    At that point we should have a Treo 700 that's 3G compatible with EVDO for you Verizon and Sprint users and UMTS compatible for Tmobile and Cingular and again we'll be back to comparable speeds.
    Last edited by ultip; 02/05/2005 at 09:17 AM.
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