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  1.    #1  
    does that mean that when you demo an app it leaves files behind in the treo?

    is there away to get rid of those files?
  2. #2  
    for most apps: yes and yes.

    you can use a file manager like filez to nix the files, this will reset the timer on most apps.
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  3.    #3  
    thank you
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    I am trying to delete this file from xiino but it says "error dm database protected in item :: removed()d

    any ideo how to remove this?
  5. #5  
    Lots of apps leave stuff in shared files, such as Saved Preferences. You could delete it, but you'd lose data from other apps (including some other apps' registrations)
  6. #6  
    Quote Originally Posted by bkrodgers
    Lots of apps leave stuff in shared files, such as Saved Preferences. You could delete it, but you'd lose data from other apps (including some other apps' registrations)

    I just found that out. I used the Treo 600 simulator to trace Lightwav "to see where it put that date stamp", and it pointed me to Save Preferences. I deleted the file, and All my app went Hay wire. I had to reinstall Save Preferences to fix it.

    Now I trying to find a way to safely Modify The Saved Preference File to Eliminate the LightWas Entry.

    I would really love to create app the watches a program as it is installed and ran, then records all file creations and modifications, then save a before "install" state. Then allowed you to change things back to the way they were.

    Where are all the good Hackers "under palm" LOL
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    what i did before was, i installed stuff (no demo program) and then i backed up the whole treo 600 using backupman. then i started to install some demo programs. when the time expired, i restore the image and reinstall the demo program again
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    Quote Originally Posted by superfire
    what i did before was, i installed stuff (no demo program) and then i backed up the whole treo 600 using backupman. then i started to install some demo programs. when the time expired, i restore the image and reinstall the demo program again
    That so cool. why I didn't I think about that.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClarenceCM3
    That so cool. why I didn't I think about that.

    Thanks
    i do that to my PC too. i install everything must-have in my laptop, and i create a Ghost image. whenever i want to reformat the HD and reload everything, i just restore the image.

    it is faster than i install each app one-by-one.

    of course, you might need to install more patches later-on but it is still better than you install each app individually.
  10. #10  
    Check out Uninstall Manager www.northglide.com
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  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by scottymomo
    Check out Uninstall Manager www.northglide.com
    Have it. I doesn't monitor changed files, only newly created file.
    Plus it's trailware it's self, I doubt it will allow you to trick another piece of trailware.

    LauncherX Delete Function is just as good "if not better"
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    What's wrong with trying testing whether the app is suitable for your use during the evaluation period, and then deciding whether to buy or not use it when the evaluation period is over? If we are not able to make this decision in the amount of time that each developer gives us, we should boycot buying their software until they give us longer eval periods! Of course, we'd also want the developer to come out with new releases often and new features very often! I'm happy with the amount, quality, and prices of the various applications that I have on my Treo, and if the trial expires and I can't afford the license, I try another product for a while and hate it more. When I finally miss not having a product (like SnapperMail) bad enough because the other products (like AgendusMail) don't fit the bill, it convinces me that $25 for the entry level product is well worth the money. Well, I have to admit that I hacked VersMail 2.6 onto my Treo 600, but I did this because there was no eval and the reports I had seen indicated that VersaMail was not worth the money. After trying it for a couple of weeks, I concluded that it was not worth "free" to me and deleted it. Hopefully I've made my point: You should be as willing to reward good software development as you were to shell out the bucks for the Treo in the first place (or just be content with the phone as you purchased it from PalmOne).

    sorry, I just had to say this,
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclancy
    What's wrong with trying testing whether the app is suitable for your use during the evaluation period, and then deciding whether to buy or not use it when the evaluation period is over? If we are not able to make this decision in the amount of time that each developer gives us, we should boycot buying their software until they give us longer eval periods! Of course, we'd also want the developer to come out with new releases often and new features very often! I'm happy with the amount, quality, and prices of the various applications that I have on my Treo, and if the trial expires and I can't afford the license, I try another product for a while and hate it more. When I finally miss not having a product (like SnapperMail) bad enough because the other products (like AgendusMail) don't fit the bill, it convinces me that $25 for the entry level product is well worth the money. Well, I have to admit that I hacked VersMail 2.6 onto my Treo 600, but I did this because there was no eval and the reports I had seen indicated that VersaMail was not worth the money. After trying it for a couple of weeks, I concluded that it was not worth "free" to me and deleted it. Hopefully I've made my point: You should be as willing to reward good software development as you were to shell out the bucks for the Treo in the first place (or just be content with the phone as you purchased it from PalmOne).

    sorry, I just had to say this,
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    your totally right.
    but don't you feel kind of cheated when you pay 549 for the lastest and great phone from sprint, and it doesn't even support playing mp3s as ringtone. While you can't get a FREE vision enable for "or one for lest the 99 buck" and it does support mp3s as ringtone, and streaming media.

    What about all the treoo 300 software I purchase Mainly TCringer. Now that I have a treo 600 That company has done a simple thing to add support for our devices. One a new device comes out developer create software for that device, and want to charge you again "ie PDA net, snappermail, Ringtones Manager".

    Honestly I feel like Palmone, and the 3rd party developer are extorting us.

    But I'm going to try and changes this thing "legally and moral".

    I want to start a Open source project for palm. Using member from the Various boards, and programer who are willing to help, I would like to start creating free software, to replace the pay version for the most popular Treo softwares.
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    Bclancy would you be willing to help me get something like this started. << Seeing that my writting and grammer Sucks.

    I would like to start a new Thread Asking for people to start Voluntering.

    First woul could pick a software Title we want to Create like "mp3 ringtones, or pdanet, Cardexport etc.

    Give me direction or how to get the needed Software, and link to free Tutorial.

    How more knowlegdable member break it down to simple step that each person could handle, then try and reassemble then, test them, and give them to community.


    If you don't want to help. Is there anybody else that would like to see this Started.
    We all can gain free software, and Great knowlegde for project like this.

    Thanks
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    Good grief, people. Most Palm software falls into the category of 'great bargains.' How many PC or Mac apps give you free trial periods at all. How many PC or Mac apps can you get for $10? Try out an app, and if it does something worth while for you just pay the developer for it! You expect to get paid for your work, why should programmers work for free?

    If you can afford a bloody $600 phone, and $50 or more per month for service, can't you pay $5 to $25 for a piece of software you use? Would you steal the phone from Sprint if you could get away with it? If not, why steal the software for it?

    Blame P1 for the fact that the Treo doesn't come with software to play MP3 ringtones, or act as a remote control, or do voice dialing, or whatever else you think it should have. But don't blame the independent software developers for filling the void, and wanting to get paid for the work they do.

    You know, I paid someone to shovel snow from my driveway just last year. If it snows this weekend, I thnk they should come back and upgrade the snow removal for free, don't you? No? But you seem to expect software developers to give you an update for free everytime you get a new phone. What's the difference? Yes, sometimes updating an app to support a new model is trivial, but sometimes it takes a lot of time and effort. And developers deserve to get paid for that time and effort, just as you get paid for yours.
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  16. #16  
    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    Good grief, people. Most Palm software falls into the category of 'great bargains.' Try out an app, and if it does something worth while for you pay the developer for it! You expect to get paid for your work, why should programmers work for free?

    If you can afford a bloody $600 phone, and $50 or more per month for service, can't you pay $5 to $25 for a piece of software you use? Would you steal the phone from Sprint if you could get away with it? If not, why steal the software for it?

    Nobody is planning on stealing any software. Honestly some of the tactic use my trail Software volate the Anti Spy act "ie hidden software on you computer after a unistall, modify files you didn;t give it permission modify, secretly send data back to the creator".

    Some people just want to free up the space used my this trail ware.

    I don't have a problem paying for a decesent program "which I have plenty of times". But I hated being force to purchase a overpriced peice of software, that should have been standard "ie, mp3 playing, assigning mp3 as ringtones by contacts, Usb card reading support, Direct modem connection etc".

    Can you believe my wife old Sanyo 4900 "for free" supports, mp3 playing, Stream webcast, Mp3 ringtone, and picture assignments for every single contact, and wireless modem support "like pdanet".

    That why I plan to try and create free versions of the software I just Describe.
    Mp3 ringtones assignment
    Usb Mass storage drive
    Usb Modem.
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    Oh, one more thought. There's already a ton of Palm freeware. Checkout www.freewarepalm.com . Handango and Palmgear have lots of free apps, too. Just spend a little of your own time searching for them. Of do you expect someone else to do ALL the work?
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  18. #18  
    - The reason the evaluation period is not always sufficient is because a person such as myself with a busy job and active personal life has less time on my hands to devote to tooling around with new software to figure out if it works properly then a guy who puts the following at the bottom of his posts...

    "Got Software? Bob Clancy
    I can find bugs before your customer does! http://members.verizon.net/~nubble/"

    - Some companies also make the evaluation period just short enough that you don't encounter the bugs that would make you decide not to buy it. If I had known what a piece of junk Lightwav is, I would never have bought it. Even worse, instead of the developer fixing the features I bought their software for, they just stripped them out of the newest version. That was money I gave away.

    - Speaking of giving money away, if you're going to argue that shelling out $25 is no big deal to drop on something you may get no value from in light of spending $600 on a phone, then PLEASE drop me an email. You can send me a check for $25 in exchange for absolutely nothing if it is such a no big deal to you. Maybe you can also donate a couple 1,000 dollars to the Tsunami relief effort while you're at it of you have so much money.

    - If the software is good enough, you'll eventually stop reinstalling around the eval period and buy it. No one is going to keep reinstalling something useful every 5 days. So what's the big deal? No one is talking about cracking software here. Lighten up you Intolerant Developer Protectionists.
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  19. #19  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob-C
    - The reason the evaluation period is not always sufficient is because a person such as myself with a busy job and active personal life has less time on my hands to devote to tooling around with new software to figure out if it works properly then a guy who puts the following at the bottom of his posts...

    "Got Software? Bob Clancy
    I can find bugs before your customer does! http://members.verizon.net/~nubble/"

    - Some companies also make the evaluation period just short enough that you don't encounter the bugs that would make you decide not to buy it. If I had known what a piece of junk Lightwav is, I would never have bought it. Even worse, instead of the developer fixing the features I bought their software for, they just stripped them out of the newest version. That was money I gave away.

    - Speaking of giving money away, if you're going to argue that shelling out $25 is no big deal to drop on something you may get no value from in light of spending $600 on a phone, then PLEASE drop me an email. You can send me a check for $25 in exchange for absolutely nothing if it is such a no big deal to you. Maybe you can also donate a couple 1,000 dollars to the Tsunami relief effort while you're at it of you have so much money.

    - If the software is good enough, you'll eventually stop reinstalling around the eval period and buy it. No one is going to keep reinstalling something useful every 5 days. So what's the big deal? No one is talking about cracking software here. Lighten up you Intolerant Developer Protectionists.

    I couldn't said it better my Self Thanks. I've been arguing with this Bclancy about the same Issue.

    I was trying to create a Thread Called "A call for Open Source Project on TC". And I was dicussing Trying to create some Open Source Freeware version of the High price version of the Software we Commonly Used. And This Guy Flamed the Whole Thread.

    Bclancy Do you Work for a Treo 3rd party Developer or What.
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    Be careful many apps make your Treo (or any Palm device) reset if you try to launch an expired trial. I know Docs to Go does it. I've seen WorldMate do it.

    Deleting the app on the Handheld and the PC backup folder takes care of it
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