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  1.    #1  
    Just read this short "first impressions" article at treonauts:
    http://blog.treonauts.com/2005/01/treonauts_with_.html

    There's a very interesting quote here:
    "The build quality has been significantly refined over previous Treo 650 units and for example the battery cover now fits 100% in place giving the unit a very 'solid' feel"

    Like most of us current 650 owners, I have noticed the poor fit of the battery cover, it squeaks every time I grip my phone, even though I already applied some extra foam rubber inside. I just consider it a very minor annoyance in comparison with the other problems.

    But, the interesting thing is that the design is changed at all. Is PalmOne already fixing issues found on the CDMA version for the GSM one? If so, that is actually very good news. If anybody has any more info on this please share...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmdied
    Sprint=guinea pig
    Yep, really seems like it. But perhaps, if we exchange out phones in a few months we can get updated versions?
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    Usually manufactured products can be tweaked/improved the longer an assembly line runs. That's why you never buy a car in it's first year of production. (You wait for them to work out the assembly bugs.) So I could see the GSM build having improvements in areas like the snuggness of the battery cover. I doubt however that anything major requiring a ROM update will be seen. If P1 had a ROM update ready for prime time I'm sure they would have made available to Sprint users already, not just slip it onto the GSM phones. Of course as someone waiting for a GSM it would make me happy if they did.

    As for Sprint being guinea pigs, you know you love it and are gloating over the fact that you have your phones and us GSMer's are still waiting.
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    Why is the GSM version taking a long time to come out? Let me especulate:
    Cingular: We are not taking the phone like that...
    PalmOne: We are coming out with a patch, but we cannot work only on a GSM patch. We have to do it for both or Sprint is not going to like that.
    Cingular: Well, then we will talk again once you have the patch. In the mean time please work with the QA department to fix any GSM related patched.
    PalmOne: Well, we are very close to release the Sprint Patch, but we need your QA guys to try the beta Patch on the GSM Treo.
    Cingular: We need to have an ETA for our sales department. When can we get all this bugs fixed.
    PalmOne: Well, the memory patch will take a while, but the service patches are under testing and are looking really good. So I would say you could give an ETA of end of January to your sales people
    Cingular: Sounds good.

    Al
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boobookins
    Usually manufactured products can be tweaked/improved the longer an assembly line runs. That's why you never buy a car in it's first year of production. (You wait for them to work out the assembly bugs.) So I could see the GSM build having improvements in areas like the snuggness of the battery cover. I doubt however that anything major requiring a ROM update will be seen. If P1 had a ROM update ready for prime time I'm sure they would have made available to Sprint users already, not just slip it onto the GSM phones. Of course as someone waiting for a GSM it would make me happy if they did.

    As for Sprint being guinea pigs, you know you love it and are gloating over the fact that you have your phones and us GSMer's are still waiting.
    I am sure they (P1) have an update and will be released when the GSM phone releases.
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    Cingular comes after Sprint because Sprint negotiated an exclusive right to sell it for a period of time. Sprint probably paid handsomly for the priviledge, too.

    As for improvments, my Sprint 650, received about a week ago, had a very snug battery cover. No rattles or looseness at all. In fact, it's rather difficult to slide off it fits so tight. I think any running changes in manufacture will be applied to all phones.
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    Agree...they will refine and tweak as they go manufacture more and depleted inventories of old components. Just tweaking though and not a wholesale improvement in terms of new functionality or betters specs ... that's for the Treo 7xx and beyond.

    Also, don't confuse the new feeling of the new GSM phone with how the the CDMA or GSM phone works after you have a month or so of use with it as mine felt brand spanking new when I unwrapped it too only to now have a sqeaking battery cover and it starting to look like a not-new phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    my Sprint 650, received about a week ago, had a very snug battery cover. No rattles or looseness at all. In fact, it's rather difficult to slide off it fits so tight. I think any running changes in manufacture will be applied to all phones.
    I also find it hard to remove the battery cover coz it's tight. But this is bad if you have to reset your treo. Thankfully that's not the case here.

    Battery cover tightness is also the reason I'm not buying a spare battery till I make sure the long awaited cradle (on order) has a slot for charging a spare battery.
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    I also have a week old 650 with a very tight battery cover.

    It was said somewhere on these forums, maybe in the CES thread, that Palm was basically done with the ROM patch and that they were waiting for Sprint's QA to release it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SofTTware
    Also, don't confuse the new feeling of the new GSM phone with how the the CDMA or GSM phone works after you have a month or so of use with it as mine felt brand spanking new when I unwrapped it too only to now have a sqeaking battery cover and it starting to look like a not-new phone.
    Well, maybe yours was different, but the cover on mine felt shoddy from the moment I took it out of the box. My friend's didn't however, so it could vary from phone to individual phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSiNSiNSi
    Well, maybe yours was different, but the cover on mine felt shoddy from the moment I took it out of the box. My friend's didn't however, so it could vary from phone to individual phone.
    Apparently that's the case. I've had mine about 6 weeks now, and fit and finish are first-class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmdied
    Sprint=guinea pig
    I'll gladly pay full price for a Treo 700 to beta test it a few months before it's ready for prime-time.
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    my phone has a very good fit and finish. The 650 will come to market as soon as possible. p1 will fix issues in a later release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSiNSiNSi
    Well, maybe yours was different, but the cover on mine felt shoddy from the moment I took it out of the box. My friend's didn't however, so it could vary from phone to individual phone.
    Have you guys compared the serial numbers?
    Maybe the good one was made after the tweak...
    Just a theory...
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    I had to get a new 650 from Sprint due to a bad key on the keyboard. The new phone had a very solid and nicely fitting battery cover. After 2 or 3 weeks now, the battery cover now flexes and squeaks like the first one. Temperature changes probably cause small but signifigant changes in the shape/size of the cover. So, unless they change the material they make the cover out of, they will always be this way.
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    Well I can't comment on the GSM 650 since I haven't seen one. But on two Sprint phones, the first was perfect except for a bright blue stuck pixel right in the center of the screen. After much debate, I returned it and the second was perfect except for a slightly squeaky battery cover. Looking at it, the little foam insert in the second was much thinner than the original one. Using the velcro trick made it much better but also makes removing the battery cover harder. So, I think it's individual unit variation at this point (actually individual foam variation). They might change this later but right now it doesn't seem so.

    FYI, you just KNOW that the foam insert must be a bandaid fix. I can't really believe they designed it that way. I can't remember any phone I've had from Nokia or Sony Ericsson that used a piece of foam in the battery cover like that. I think someone messed up the manufacturing variations on the battery cover and they stick the foam in there to make it fit better.
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    No idea about phones, but many, many, quality toys (I have 3 boys) have had something similar....It makes up for tolerances in materials that are too costly to nail down to such tight tolerances....

    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis

    FYI, you just KNOW that the foam insert must be a bandaid fix. I can't really believe they designed it that way. I can't remember any phone I've had from Nokia or Sony Ericsson that used a piece of foam in the battery cover like that. I think someone messed up the manufacturing variations on the battery cover and they stick the foam in there to make it fit better.
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    Foam insert to keep the battery door tight? How cheap and uninnovative. They could've at least used a neoprene strip.

    Good thing my T650 does not require frequent rests. I can only count my blessings since I began to load 3rd party apps in it. Now I have 7 meg free. Time to migrate apps to the SD card, although not all apps like to be on SD
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    If memory serves, when the GSM Treo 600 came out there was a patch for the CDMA versions around the same time. PalmOne got the patch on the first run of GSMs and then made it available to the CDMA people.

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