Update...... Here's an additional tidbit of information... There are specific rumors that Cingular/AT&T plans to begin shipments of their Treo 650 this January after the company had found problems with it and asked palmOne to fix them before they would release it. Apparently the now widely known memory and call quality issues were some of the things that needed fixing and while there's still nothing on the memory front it would appear that the "tin can call quality" has been rectified with a ROM/firmware update. Interestingly, tests purportedly showed that people most likely to have call quality issues were those with facial hair that rubs the phone - go figure. So, it looks like we might get a 'perfect' Treo 650 after all...