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  1. cwjm's Avatar
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    I just bought a treo 650. I'm amused by the potenital, but very dissapointed by the current implementation. When I spend $500 for a product, I expect a bit more than what I've seen so far.

    I know most of you folks posting on this forum, consider the treo a hobby. I understand completely. And many of you have turned your hobby into something that is very productive and useful to you. That's great.

    But I don't consider my Treo my hobby. I want to take it out of the box, do minimal configuration, and use it productively. Yeah, I could experiment with shareware solutions, and enhanced calendars, todo, and contacts -- but I expect the software that comes with the phone to already do a good job.

    Here's my gripe list:

    1. Cannot put "pauses" in the phone number. Very useful feature found on most cell phone. (you know, when you dial your home phone to get your voicemail, you can have it enter your password). You need pauses to do this. Very surprising to me, that a company that wants to merge an organizer with a phone doesn't think of this. What WERE they thinking?

    2. What happened to Notepad. I had it in my Tungsten. After installing the Treo, I was surprised that I wasn't included?

    3. If I have the Treo on, and I make a phone call, why does the Treo turn off 10 seconds after hanging up the phone call. Shouldn't it turn off 3 minutes later, like I setup in the preferences?

    4. OK, this one might be a function of Sprint, or my particular environment. But I find the treo to have very poor voice quality when using the phone. It seem to REALLY pickup background noise. I spend a considerable amount of time in airports.

    5. Email is unreliable. I got it to work with Comcast.net, but since then, it only works 20% of the time. Again, this could be a sprint issue, rather than a software/phone problem. Either way, as a consumer, it doesn't do as advertised.

    6. Why doesn't the phone come with a voice recorder. Yeah, you can hack around it by sending "messages" to yourself. How about a straight forward way to record memos and/or phone calls. If you build a device with a microphone, digital storage, player, and speakers, why would you NOT make a nicely integrated recorder?

    7. Basic scrolling and text modes are inconsistent in different applications. Try scrolling a page at a time through the Contacts without pulling out the pen. Try highlighting text without the in Memos.

    8. Why does the treo take almost 2x more space to display my Contacts that my Tungsten/E. Every contact is 2 or more lines. No need to double-space... just put first phone number to the right of the name like the other palm pilots do. Especially annoying considering you can't scroll a page at a time (except by pulling out the pen... and try doing that while talking through an airport pulling luggage).

    9. (this one applies to palm in general). Why can't I create links between application. In other words, a contact could reference a memo. A calendar event could reference a person in your contact list. Etc...


    OK, I feel better now that I've gotten that off my chest. I have 30 days to return the phone, and I still might keep it anyway. Perhaps I'm hopeful that PALM will soon fix these things. Keeps coming back to, "what's more efficient... paper or electrons"?
    Last edited by cwjm; 01/01/2005 at 01:21 AM.
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    Another one of these! It's not a hobby but it can be fun.

    1.) RTFM. You use a comma to insert a pause. Depending on the length you need you might need several commas to get the length you want.
    2.) RTFM. No it's not there. This doesn't make it a "prototype", it's a feature they didn't include. For notes (since this device is more likely to be used with a keyboard) there is the memos application.
    3.) It's a feature. Especially since you have bluetooth or can use a wired headset. If I answer the phone via headset and it's in my pocket, I WANT it to turn off quickly since I don't things on the screen getting pressed while it jiggles around in my pocket or coat. If it gets turned on by you via a button it turns off after the set time.
    4.) You are talking about what you hear or the person you called? Everyone seems to say they hear others great, but there are problems for some who hear background noise from you too much. It's likely palmOne will have an update to at least make this better.
    5.) Sounds like it's a network issue. Some have complained about instability in Versamail. Personally, I haven't had a problem and it's always gotten through to my servers.
    6.) RTFM. No it's not included. There is third party software that will do this. There is even one that is free.
    7.) I disagree. I think scrolling is very consistent in most apps. Contacts is a little different since it allows you to scroll to each phone number since you might want to call that. It might not go fast enough for you but it certainly works without a stylus. Trying scrolling through a Motorola addressbook and you will feel real pain. Highlighting text in a memo is one that isn't fully keyboard driven yet. However, a cheap utility called TreoSelect will let you do this without the stylus.
    8.) Again, it's a feature. This is so you can go to each phone number and DIAL (it's a phone remember).
    9.) A general Palm shortcoming. No better or worse than any other device.

    I have no problem with people not liking the Treo, there are lots of devices I don't like. What annoyes me is a.) someone calling the Treo a prototype or other name simply because they disagree with the design decisions made b.) things that are clearly stated in the manual but someone either can't bother to read or understand. The manual didn't say there was a notepad app, why is the device a prototype simply because something in a Tungsten isn't here?

    Quote Originally Posted by cwjm
    I just bought a treo 650. I'm amused by the potenital, but very dissapointed by the current implementation. When I spend $500 for a product, I expect a bit more that what I've seen so far.

    I know most of you folks posting on this forum, consider the treo a hobby. I understand completely. And many of you have turned your hobby into something that is very productive and useful to you. That's great.

    But I don't consider my Treo my hobby. I want to take it out of the box, do minimal configuration, and use it productively. Yeah, I could experiment with shareware solutions, and enhanced calendars, todo, and contacts -- but I expect the software that comes with the phone to already do a good job.

    Here's my gripe list:

    1. Cannot put "pauses" in the phone number. Very useful feature found on most cell phone. (you know, when you dial your home phone to get your voicemail, you can have it enter your password). You need pauses to do this. Very surprising to me, that a company that wants to merge an organizer with a phone doesn't think of this. What WERE they thinking?

    2. What happened to Notepad. I had it in my Tungsten. After installing the Treo, I was surprised that I wasn't included?

    3. If I have the Treo on, and I make a phone call, why does the Treo turn off 10 seconds after hanging up the phone call. Shouldn't it turn off 3 minutes later, like I setup in the preferences?

    4. OK, this one might be a function of Sprint, or my particular environment. But I find the treo to have very poor voice quality when using the phone. It seem to REALLY pickup background noise. I spend a considerable amount of time in airports.

    5. Email is unreliable. I got it to work with Comcast.net, but since then, it only works 20% of the time. Again, this could be a sprint issue, rather than a software/phone problem. Either way, as a consumer, it doesn't do as advertised.

    6. Why doesn't the phone come with a voice recorder. Yeah, you can hack around it by sending "messages" to yourself. How about a straight forward way to record memos and/or phone calls. If you build a device with a microphone, digital storage, player, and speakers, why would you NOT make a nicely integrated recorder?

    7. Basic scrolling and text modes are inconsistent in different applications. Try scrolling a page at a time through the Contacts without pulling out the pen. Try highlighting text without the in Memos.

    8. Why does the treo take almost 2x more space to display my Contacts that my Tungsten/E. Every contact is 2 or more lines. No need to double-space... just put first phone number to the right of the name like the other palm pilots do. Especially annoying considering you can't scroll a page at a time (except by pulling out the pen... and try doing that while talking through an airport pulling luggage).

    9. (this one applies to palm in general). Why can't I create links between application. In other words, a contact could reference a memo. A calendar event could reference a person in your contact list. Etc...


    OK, I feel better now that I've gotten that off my chest. I have 30 days to return the phone, and I still might keep it anyway. Perhaps I'm hopeful that PALM will soon fix these things. Keeps coming back to, "what's more efficient... paper or electrons"?
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
  3. #3  
    For Question Two:

    The Notepad Files have been posted for download to your Treo 650. Download these files to an SD card and then move them to the Treo. The thread is here: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...hlight=notepad.

    For Question Four:

    Not sure specifically what you are talking about, but if you are saying that the person on the other line has a hard time hearing you, that can be fixed by this ROM patch, unofficially released by PalmOne. The thread is here: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=66518. You can find the actual patches at www.shadowmite.com

    For Question Six:

    The Voice Recorder files have been posted for download to your Treo 650. Download these files and Hotsync them normally. The thread is here: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...hlight=notepad

    I agree with you that there are downsides to this device, some more major than others, and some more majors for some people than for others. But some of the problems that you listed can be solved, like the ones that I listed.

    Cheers.

    Rock.
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    As for scrolling by page thru the contacts... Why would you want to do that? I just type the intials of the person I want & it jumps to that contact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis
    Highlighting text in a memo is one that isn't fully keyboard driven yet. However, a cheap utility called TreoSelect will let you do this without the stylus.
    Where can I find the TreoSelect app? A search of the forum didn't turn up anything.
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    The full name is TreoSelectText (sorry). You can get it from the software connection part of the palmOne store or from palmgear. Here is the link to palmgear: http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fu...1&prodID=53530

    $4.95, you need the latest 4.0 version for the Treo 650.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkY
    Where can I find the TreoSelect app? A search of the forum didn't turn up anything.
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    It's not like they included a 6 page Quick Start manual and then pointed you to a 400 page PDF. They were kind enought to actually include one - RTFM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis
    The full name is TreoSelectText (sorry). You can get it from the software connection part of the palmOne store or from palmgear. Here is the link to palmgear: http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fu...1&prodID=53530

    $4.95, you need the latest 4.0 version for the Treo 650.
    Thanks, I just picked it up. Now my Treo is just about perfect!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxtg
    As for scrolling by page thru the contacts... Why would you want to do that? I just type the intials of the person I want & it jumps to that contact.
    I can think of one example off the top of my head...
    I saved several hotel phone numbers near the chicago airport (Category=Ord Hotels). I want to go to that category and see the list. I don't remember every hotel I might have put into my Treo, nor the way I entered the name (Marriott Residence Inn, versus Residence Inn - Marriott).

    The easiest way to see the hotels is to go into the category (ORD Hotels) and scroll down the list. It would sure be nice to scroll a page at a time without taking out the pen. Additionally, it would be nice if the Contacts were displayed like they are in other palm devices (on contact, one line). Surely, one could come up with a better way of getting at additional the other phone numbers for each contact without taking up the so much valuable screen real estate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis
    Another one of these! It's not a hobby but it can be fun.

    1.) RTFM. You use a comma to insert a pause. Depending on the length you need you might need several commas to get the length you want.
    Are you saying this works (you've done it), or are you saying you belive it should do this? I tried, and nothing seemed to happen. It seems to ignore everything after the first non-numeric character in each phone number (dash "-" excluded). Give it a try. Let me know if you have success. It didn't seem to work for me.
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    Yes, I use the comma in a voicemail favorite. I does seem that the comma is a much shorter pause than on my GSM Treo 600. I end up using 3 or 4 commas in a row to get a long enough pause, but it does work.

    Quote Originally Posted by cwjm
    Are you saying this works (you've done it), or are you saying you belive it should do this? I tried, and nothing seemed to happen. It seems to ignore everything after the first non-numeric character in each phone number (dash "-" excluded). Give it a try. Let me know if you have success. It didn't seem to work for me.
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680
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    I have similar feeling. Keep it or wait? After spending sometime looking for fix, it now does everything for me except BT dial-up.

    1) Web browser: Xiino 3.3E. The Blazer is still slow, buggy and always refreshes a previous page.
    2) Email: Snappermail. The VersaMail is fully featured, but keeps re-download some messages.
    3) Modem: PDANet+USB. BT dial-up hack is too crashing to be any of real use and much slower than PDANet via USB (18KB/s vs. 9kB/s). WirelessModem+BT is as fast as PDANet+USB, but it runs Treo very hot (I mean really hot) and it does not shut off the screen light.

    I just wish Sprint/PalmOne would post a BT dialup patch that works well like SE and Nokia phones and is as fast as PDANet+USB. Except Treo 650 (WM+BT), I have not seen any BT phone that gives decent connection speed that 2.5G network offers, including Nokia 3650, N-Gage, SE T610, T608, Mot V551 etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwjm
    I can think of one example off the top of my head...
    I saved several hotel phone numbers near the chicago airport (Category=Ord Hotels). I want to go to that category and see the list. I don't remember every hotel I might have put into my Treo, nor the way I entered the name (Marriott Residence Inn, versus Residence Inn - Marriott).
    FYI
    The intials is jus a "quick" way. You can also start spelling the name "marr...", or "Resi..." and it will still find it no matter how you put it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcaslis
    Yes, I use the comma in a voicemail favorite. I does seem that the comma is a much shorter pause than on my GSM Treo 600. I end up using 3 or 4 commas in a row to get a long enough pause, but it does work.
    Ahhhh, the "FAVORITE" buttons. I get it.
    I'm new to the phone, and didn't expect the favorite buttons to act differently than phone numbers stored in the Contacts.
    Thanks. I can get by with this solution.
    Last edited by cwjm; 01/02/2005 at 02:03 PM.
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    Just to be clear, I should say that I put the commas and numbers for the voicemail prompts in the extra digits part of the favorites and check it to automatically dial the extra digits.

    Quote Originally Posted by cwjm
    Ahhhh, the "FAVORITE" buttons. I get it.
    I'm new to the phone, and didn't expect the favorite buttons to act differently than phone numbers stored in the Contacts.
    Thanks. I can get by with this solution.
    Main Phone: Treo 270/600/650/700w/700p/750v/Motorola Q/iPhone
    Tried but sold: Motorola Q/Nokia E61/700wx/HTC TyTN/Treo 680

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